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ankhfnkhonsu
12-13-2006, 02:15 AM
What is going on in the U.S.? This old Republican Saudi-loving puke has purchased Mili's prayer rugs.
James Baker's Terrible Iraq Report
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
December 12, 2006
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/4192
[NY Sun title: "Baker Report Would Turn Failed Ideas Into Policy"]
The Iraq Study Group Report, cobbled together by ten individuals lacking specialized knowledge of Iraq, dredges up past failed U.S. policies in the Middle East and would enshrine them as current policy.
Most profoundly, regarding the American role in Iraq, the report moronically splits the difference of troops staying or leaving, without ever examining the basic premise of the U.S. government taking responsibility for the country's minutiae, such as its setting up public works projects. Instead, the report unthinkingly accepts that strategic assumption and only tweaks tactics at the margins.
A preposterously lengthy list of 79 recommendations lies at the heart of the report. These include such gems as bringing in the (Saudi-sponsored) Organization of the Islamic Conference or the Arab League (no. 3) to decide Iraq's future. Another creates an "Iraq International Support Group" that includes Iran, Syria (no. 5), and the United Nations secretary-general (no. 7).
Other brilliant recommendations call for the UN Security Council to handle the Iranian nuclear problem (no. 10) and for the support group to persuade Tehran to "take specific steps to improve the situation in Iraq" (no. 11). Right. The Iranian regime, whose president envisions a "world without America," will save Washington's bacon. Such counsel smacks at best of what the Jerusalem Post calls "staggering naïveté" and at worst of ghastly foolishness.
Of course, small minds assert that problems in Iraq are "inextricably linked" to the Arab-Israeli conflict – thereby repeating the precise mistake that lead co-chairman James A. Baker, III, made in 1991. He then led the effort to abandon the Persian Gulf and turn to the Palestinians, leaving Saddam Hussein in power for another dozen years and contributing directly to the present mess. In the new report, Mr. Baker and his colleagues call for a Palestinian state (no. 12) and even demand that a final settlement address the Palestinian "right of return" (no. 17) – code for dismantling the Jewish state. They peremptorily declare that "the Israelis should return the Golan Heights," in return for a U.S. security guarantee (no. 16).
Besides the astonishing conceit of these Olympian declarations, one wonders how exactly the Iraqi civil war would be ended by pleasing the Palestinian Arabs. Or why the unresolved Arab-Israeli conflict is any more relevant to Iraq than the unresolved Azeri-Armenian conflict, which is closer to Iraq.
James A. Baker, III, instructs the president how to use the "Iraq Study Group Report."
To make matters worse, Mr. Baker had the nerve to admonish the Bush administration not to treat the report's 79 recommendations "like a fruit salad," choosing one idea while rejecting another, but to accept it as a whole. Even in Washington, a town famous for arrogance, this statement made heads turn. That Mr. Baker and his co-chairman, Lee Hamilton, sat for a picture spread with famed photographer Annie Liebovitz for Men's Vogue, a fashion magazine, only confirms the vacuity of their effort, as does their hiring the giant public relations firm, Edelman.
In all, the Iraq Study Group Report offers a unique combination of bureaucratic caution, false bi-partisanship, trite analysis, and conventional bromides.
Although the press reacted to this drivel, in the words of Daniel Henninger writing in the Wall Street Journal, with "neurotic glee," Robert Kagan and William Kristol deemed it "dead on arrival," and Iraq's president, Jalal Talabani, called it "dead in the water." One hopes they are right, that President George W. Bush ignores its recommendations, and that this "new lipstick on a very old pig" (Spencer Ackerman) quickly disappears from sight.
That's not to say that Mr. Bush should "stay the course," for that course has not worked. A host of creative ideas have been floated by individuals knowledgeable about Iraq, sympathetic to the administration's goal of building a free, democratic, and prosperous Iraq, and not tempted to see their role as an exercise in preening. The White House should call on these talented individuals to brainstorm, argue, and emerge with some useful ideas about the future American role in Iraq.
Doing so means breaking with a presidential tradition, going back at least to 1919, of what I call a "know-nothing" Middle East diplomacy. Woodrow Wilson appointed two completely unqualified Americans to head a commission of inquiry to the Levant on the grounds, an aide explained, that Wilson "felt these two men were particularly qualified to go to Syria because they knew nothing about it." This know-nothing approach failed America 87 years ago and it failed again now.

Matisse
12-20-2006, 05:24 PM
for those that are slow learners,we have an addiction worse tha heroin that comes from the middle east called oil..as long as we have that insatiable addiction and dont want to pay $3 plus dollars per gallon for it,we will have a presence over there and prop up any puppet government we see fit...which is what we should do

when sadamm invaded kuwait back in 90'.....we went over there and drove him out and as long as terrorists persist in helping to destabalize the region,we should keep a presence there to protect our interests

there's a company in Texas that has patented a process to run automobiles off purely water or combination of it.....,he also uses this process for cutting metal

now between this process and the use of hydrogen,we have an alternative to operate our vehicles and heat our homes

if these technologies are slow to take off its only because of the lobbyists and political contributions made by oil and power companies and the like because they dont want to have to reinvent the wheel so to speak and they want that enormous cash flow to keep churnin'

the oil companies made a record 35 billion profit after the Katrina hurricane in one year

whose interests do they have at heart, theirs or the American people?

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2602.html

this was reported by Fox news....how come every station isnt blaring over it?

things that make you go.....hmmmmmm

i urge everyone to take a look at this video in the link i provided

if we didnt need their fukin' oil,we could and should let those desert ragheads keep playing their muslim versus christians war game bullshit til they wipe each other out

trully enlightened people already realize that god..any god...is a figment of mankinds fertile imagine originally created to explain things of science he didnt yet comprehend

secondly,its used mainly as a basis for controlling mass populations with threats of eternal damnation if you step out of line too much

read a couple books by guys like Richard Dawkins and the arguments are strong on this.

and besides that,if a god really did exist,he is one pathetic sadisitc motherfocker for letting so many throughout history die in his name,whatever name he is given by a particular persuassion of followers

so much death and suffering for an entity supposedly swathed in love and the proliferation of it

its all bullshit...and those ragheads mudderfockers in the middle east use the voodoo of 2000 plus years ago,to change cultures,make political decisions,kill their own kinds as well as their neighbors and now want to infiltrate the west....USA..with muslim bullshit propaganda because they got it in their sick fockin' heads they have some divine right and its up to them to bring about the end of time for mankind by any means cause they are so sure that whatever they do in the name of that pedophile muhammed...there will be 72 virgins and unlimited glasses of wine awaiting them in the hereafter

christianity,especially in the west,doesnt have those types of convictions and we never will...we fight too hard to save our own lives with medications and hospital visits because we simply arent indoctrinated the same way they are in the middle east..we have soldiers crying home to momma about how tough desert living is over there and the court of public opinion doesnt have the stomach for losing lives

yet...over there...their kids gleefully and heroically learn to fire weapons and if Allah so annoints them one day,they to,like their grandma before them,will strap explosives onto their little chests and blow up whomever they are directed to blow up

and the jackoff thats in control of Iran..with his wipe out the Israel bullshit,is going to lead us into WW3......if he's not overthrown or assasinated...watch what happens bewteen him and Kim Jong of N Korea

bring out the nukes and lets reexamine the lessons some of them didnt learn with Japan and why we used it to help end WW2

and for all the pussies in our country who suck on the tits of total tolerance and pacification,you are the prison bitches of the west and are letting anyone into our country by shoving down our throats partial history that "imigrants is what made America and made America what she is" bullshit....that may very well be,but so fokin' what?

you cant make it in your own country because of corruption,ignorance,and political irresponsibilty so now you have a right to come help fuk ours up some more?

its time to blockade 90% of immigration,keep the trade lines open of sending out and receiving products,but force the rest of world to stay the fuk home and esal with their own isssues on their own native soil

America has become the kitty litter box of the rest of the world.....we take everybodys shit..anyone that owns indoor cats knows how much this stinks..embrace this metaphor....

we have 300 million people here and we're so fuked up..we cant even get the first bricks laid for the 250,000 people displaced in new orleans yet we're letting over one million people per year into this country???

hey...what say we build a 700 mile Berlin type wall on a border thats over 2000 miles long?....theyll never dig under it,use a ladder to climb over it,or walk around the mudderfocker......duh

over population in other countries without the infrastructure and tax base to accomodate their own is a main reason why people come to this country,they arent looking out for us natives born here,they are looking out for themselves exclusively

doesnt matter if your from mexico or wherever.....its dragging us all down incrimentally and exponentially

Lou Dobbs for President!

now bash away....im ending this,wouldnt want to begin to rant or anything of that proclivity

hey look,two babes lickin' each other on channel 495

:)

s_gm06
12-20-2006, 05:57 PM
Oil D@mn we need those good ole electric cars wich our president hates so d@mn much yep goold ole USA needs alternate type of tranport hek im bout to buy a horse and stay with that its cheaper in the long run

Twostep
12-20-2006, 08:44 PM
im bout to buy a horse and stay with that its cheaper in the long run
BullSHIT. Or maybe I should say horseSHIT.:D Buying that hoss is the tip of the iceberg. Besides the horse you'll need a saddle and the rest of the tack, a barn/stall, feed, a veterinarian, a horse trailer and a $50,000 diesel pickup to haul his ass around. Next your wife will want one; then your kids.

By the time you're done you'll beg for your Suburban back and cuss the day you ever considered a horse.:eek:

s_gm06
12-20-2006, 10:32 PM
lol no sir i already have saddle as for hauling shit i said id ride it aroud if i had a place at work id park it there lol but that just me though
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LittleE
12-21-2006, 12:19 AM
I'ma gonna get me a couple 2 r 3 of dem "illegals" to push my truck.......... cheaper than gas, we call it alien power.

Nigel
12-23-2006, 05:07 PM
"trully enlightened people already realize that god..any god...is a figment of mankinds fertile imagine originally created to explain things of science he didnt yet comprehend

secondly,its used mainly as a basis for controlling mass populations with threats of eternal damnation if you step out of line too much"

But just try and get someone who believes in god to see it that way. We need de-programming schools across the globe to rid man of this abomination, then get on with life.

ankhfnkhonsu
12-23-2006, 06:29 PM
Most of you seem to confuse conventional religion and spiritualism. Organized religion is most often simple politics whereas spirtualism is a genuine pursuit of God, however one defines God.

It is a very serious error to simply relegate spiritual beliefs, in all of their various forms and formats, as some kind of illegitimate dementia that only left-brained science can explain.

rg6a
12-23-2006, 06:59 PM
Most of you seem to confuse conventional religion and spiritualism. Organized religion is most often simple politics whereas spirtualism is a genuine pursuit of God, however one defines God.

G_d is on a work to rule campaign, last email I received isn't printable. ;-)


It is a very serious error to simply relegate spiritual beliefs, in all of their various forms and formats, as some kind of illegitimate dementia that only left-brained science can explain.


Of course it's abstract .....as the lights aren't on and no one is there.