Do Not Buy Enigma Card

[hacker]

DO NOT BUY ENIGMA CARD
TILL THE SOURCE CODE IS RELEASED
AND ALL BUGS ARE WORKED OUT!



I have an enigma card, and so far it's a piece of shit. It doesn't auto-roll, freezes, can't write your own bin to it (or modify theres), and the owner and mods haven't been online in a week! I realy hope they are working on the problems and release the source code soon. BTW, my atmegas never freeze and there are lot's of coders working on auto-roll for it right now.

[Ohms]

DO NOT BUY ENIGMA CARD
TILL THE SOURCE CODE IS RELEASED
AND ALL BUGS ARE WORKED OUT!


I have an enigma card, and so far it's a piece of shit. It doesn't auto-roll, freezes, can't write your own bin to it (or modify theres), and the owner and mods haven't been online in a week! I realy hope they are working on the problems and release the source code soon. BTW, my atmegas never freeze and there are lot's of coders working on auto-roll for it right now.




Hi Hacker,
Now what would you do with the source code LOL.... Probably about as much as I could do with it. NOTHING!!! he he he

Remember bud, you are an early adopter. One of the first to buy one of these cards. Surfing the bleeding edge of a product release usually works this way. You are essentially a beta tester. Finding bugs (lots of them) and reporting back so they can be fixed. A very rough start I'll admit, but give them some more time.

I agree with you 100% though that most folks (99%) should wait till the bugs are worked out. This thing is pretty complex. They have some serious time and money invested in this card and I'm sure they would like to sell A LOT more of them. I'm betting that they will release an update in the next week or two. Till then, just hang on to it and keep your fingers crossed.

As I remember you lost your 102 to loopfest. I assume you are down now with no tv. That is what usually pisses people off in this hobby. The ones that have a sub as a backup usually are more forgiving of the potholes in this road.

[hacker]

Hi ohms, Your right I don't know what the hell I would do with a source code! You all know I'm a noob LMAO! I know if they give out the source code other coders can look at it and update it though.

I really hope your right about them updating it in a few weeks. Seems like they just gave up on it.

You are right, I lost my 102's but I'm still up with atmegas.

[tommyoz]

The ones that have a sub as a backup usually are more forgiving of the potholes in this road.

How true that is.

My Enigma card did not give me any freezing. I tried on both Dish and Bev. I didn't try it on one of the newer models though like the 301..013. I tried it on a 3900 for Dish and 2700 for Bev. The result was the same I only had trouble with autoroll. It would roll but I had to reboot the IRD. Even then it took about an hour.

I am in the process of modding one of my 301.013 so I can try it with Enigma. I really would like the private info support though.

[Ohms]

I hope I'm right too.

[bobsmith161]

I got my enigma two weeks ago and it will not even program...BTW no need to offer help been through it all over at junkie. the thing is a POS.....been emailing the retailer for weeks now for a return address and only about 1/3 of the mail gets ancwerd....all I want is a working card too play with....guys I would wait it seems there are still falts in the card as well as the code.

[Dave411]

Guess maybe I should wait a bit then. I`m interested in the married-sub mode (like the old magiccard) that has been discussed as a future option, although may never come to pass. I think that could be a good deal for people that have sub cards at too high a rev to glitch.

[hacker]

C/P from bishop

I don't think people who already made their minds up will listen to any logical reason so I don't think we will bother. The work is ongoing indeed and since not many people can touch coding and hardware at this level not many people can contribute to making it work flawlessly.
3.4 will fix 301.013 compatibility issues (timing) and we have an autoroll patch ready that is being tested. Using your own BIN is also going to be supported in the upcoming version. Thanks to some major fiber optic cables cut and with that my access from Europe to our server in China severely limited so I have been absent since the earthquake. It is really simple, if you don't like the card don't buy it but if your sole purpose to be posting here is to talk crap your stay will be a short one. If you buy it we will try our best to support it. With the new keyroll and dynamic hash it is not so easy to have a flawless product at every time but we are doing our best to catch up. Scherbius promised 3.4 for this weekend, lets wait for it then talk crap.

Bishop

[Ohms]

Well that sounds encouraging.

[tommyoz]

Ready when you are Bishop. I got my 301.013 ready for the Enigma. I'll wait for the new release. No rush since everything else is still working.

[Nagra1]

Ready when you are Bishop. I got my 301.013 ready for the Enigma. I'll wait for the new release. No rush since everything else is still working.

This should be the kicker, everything else is still working...:D

Even the 301.013 to FTA hack is working better than Enigma.

There is just no good reason to try a Enigma, with so many better options out there....

[hacker]

They updated to 3.3b. It fixes the problem with the 301.13 and auto roll. I am waiting for it to roll on my 301.10.

[JT]

You running one in a 301.13 hacker? If not, how do you know they fixed the problem? And, do you still have to use the publicl NoRSA BK's and IRD info?

[hacker]

I don't have a 301.13. You still have to use there eeprom and public numbers. BTW, it's been a half hour and still hasn't rolled. I reset it.

[hacker]

I'm going to try this in my 501/510 if it doesn't roll in a half hour.

[hacker]

I just put the keys in manualy. Maybe it will roll the next keys.

[tommyoz]

There is just no good reason to try a Enigma, with so many better options out there....

Yes there is. It's the same reason why evreything else at one point or another gets tested.

The reason being - For testing. You never know what this could become.

Wouldn't it be funny if everything else went down (other then rom102) except for Enigma? I'll have mine.

And if it doesn't pan out then oh well at least they tried. It was only a $130.00 investment.

[tommyoz]

They updated to 3.3b. It fixes the problem with the 301.13 and auto roll. I am waiting for it to roll on my 301.10.

I downloaded the file. I will be testing very shortly. I am doing something else at the moment.

[OverEasy]

The keys should roll they switch back the new key change to the way they were changing them before.

[hacker]

My enigma and atmegas rolled the keys today. :)

[hacker]

Never mind it just went out :( lol

[smilingjack]

Well did any body enema roll the keys today ?

[tommyoz]

After trying to roll for about 2 minutes with the 005 error message on my 301.013 it always goes to "Card not inserted correctly" reinsert card and same thing.

[Ohms]

maybe above where I told hacker he was a beta tester, I should have said alpha. :(

Sounds like the software developers are WAY behind schedule. I hope those guys are burning the midnight oil. The longer this goes on this way, the worse it is for this card's reputation.

[Nagra1]

Yes there is. It's the same reason why evreything else at one point or another gets tested.

The reason being - For testing. You never know what this could become.

Wouldn't it be funny if everything else went down (other then rom102) except for Enigma? I'll have mine.

And if it doesn't pan out then oh well at least they tried. It was only a $130.00 investment.

What are you testing? Oh yeah Software....:D

[vmod32]

This thing is pretty complex.

It's about as complex as a Magic Card. ROFL

[vmod32]

Wouldn't it be funny if everything else went down (other then rom102) except for Enigma? I'll have mine.


Yeah it would be pretty funny, But if you've been in this game for very long, you'd know thats NOT possible. As long as any emulation can work, ALL emulation essentially can work. The difference is $130 enema card or a $20 max&mel board... the choice is yours. Emulation is emulation, and is all completely vulnerable to map routine changes. The only device at the moment that is not is a rom 102 card, but they are vulnerable to looping as we have recently seen. So get the best of both worlds use a rom 102 card in aux mode in PGM's st emulator or hell even a rom 102 card in a FTA receiver.

[tommyoz]

Yeah it would be pretty funny, But if you've been in this game for very long, you'd know thats NOT possible. As long as any emulation can work, ALL emulation essentially can work. The difference is $130 enema card or a $20 max&mel board... the choice is yours. Emulation is emulation, and is all completely vulnerable to map routine changes. The only device at the moment that is not is a rom 102 card, but they are vulnerable to looping as we have recently seen. So get the best of both worlds use a rom 102 card in aux mode in PGM's st emulator or hell even a rom 102 card in a FTA receiver.

In due time all emulation would work, but who would be the quickest? I'm not trying to defend the Enigma card but defend the right to wanna purchase one.
I haven't been here all that long but I have been around FTA for awhile. I joined in here because of the excitement and challenges of Rom102 and the likes. Not much to mess around with FTA. I am also messing around with Cemu (max&mel).

[Nagra1]

In due time all emulation would work, but who would be the quickest? I'm not trying to defend the Enigma card but defend the right to wanna purchase one.
I haven't been here all that long but I have been around FTA for awhile. I joined in here because of the excitement and challenges of Rom102 and the likes. Not much to mess around with FTA. I am also messing around with Cemu (max&mel).

Just say "picked up one to play with" is ok with me.....

[Ohms]

It's about as complex as a Magic Card. ROFL

OK OK Vmod32... I get your point. :)

I meant complex from a software integration perspective. Encryption devices are complex in my book.

Could not be more simple from a tester's perspective. I assume that is what you are laughing about.

The history of these cards is interesting. I pick these three for an obvious reason.

1. Magic Card (1&2) These were pretty reliable. Worked for a good long time. Support was the main problem, although they were thin and had to be shimmed and re tinned.
2. AVR-X This was a good idea. Got around the keyset issue with a clever JTAG interface to the card. Support was horrible, although the cards worked for quite a long time. No reason it could not be working today except support.
3. Enigma Off to a very rough start. Support is not good so far. Seems like they rushed them to the end users before they were ready. Lots of problems. Have yet to hear of one working flawlessly. Support is the main concern at this point.


Common theme? Innovative devices with poor support. I hope the enigma lives at least as long as it predecessors did.

[vmod32]

Seems the main problem is support with magican and then of course that after awhile he bails and comes up with a new product in an effort to make more money. The guy is a crook, He very well could be supporting the AVR-X and selling a boat load more of them, but he thinks he will make more money by getting everyone to buy a new product. Look at pretty much all the other cards that have been on the market, they still work, but not a single product from the magican. DSSrev - can be converted to an Atmega, Armulaor - working, Syndrome - working etc. I think he has gone about as far as he can go, not much of a market left for his products now. He's pissed most people off and most newbies go with FTA. Sales on the enema card are not what they could be, all he has to do is give out the source code. But it's obvious that it was just another like to get a few more sales from people willing to jump the gun. I bet next map call change the enema card is left to die and he comes out with a new one after the freeware community codes the new routin.. Don't get me wrong the magican has talent, thats obvious, but he does not give a shit about his customers.

[hacker]

They say 3.4 will be out tonight! C/P from bishop:

3.4 will be released momentarily Dish added another instruction to their autoroll. So we added that to 3.4. Version 3.4 is now ready. We are releasing tonight.

Just so you know what is going on with Autoroll:

The providers have now started using a dynamic algorithm for rolling the public IDEA keys. Dynamic means that every key change packet is different. Up until recently, all key roll packets were static in nature and most emulators simply rolled the keys in a deterministic way. This is not the case any longer.

Let me illustrate (in layman's terms) what the new key roll packets look like:

nop
nop
nop
add 5 to data below
nop
nop
nop
nop
00
11
22
33
44
55
66
77
88
99
AA
BB
CC
DD
EE
FF

This packet tells us to add 5 to the 16 data bytes to get the new IDEA key. The next keyroll packet might look like this:


nop
eor 7 (exclusive OR data below)
nop
nop
sub 2 (subtract 2 from data below)
nop
jsr $DEBA
nop
00
11
22
33
44
55
66
77
88
99
AA
BB
CC
DD
EE
FF

This packet performs an Exclusive OR 7 on the data, then subtracts 2, and then jumps to subroutine $DEBA in ROM. Subroutine $DEBA is usually some more mathematics and logic operations on the data. These are very SIMPLE examples of what is going on. The actual keyroll packets are much longer, are using hundreds of instructions and are jumping to areas in both ROM and EEPROM. To make a long story short, it is impossible for any device to autoroll in a deterministic way anymore. The only way to autoroll now is to emulate the complete instruction set of the ROM10X card. Furthermore, a complete ROM (100K) and EEPROM (20K) bin is required for the subroutine jumps and hashing. EnigmaEdit3.4 will emulate the complete instruction set. Be sure to load the ROM bin and a valid EEPROM bin. EnigmaEdit3.3b did not roll for Dish because some instructions were missing, but it did roll for Bev.

So now you know what is going on.


Bishop

[Ohms]

The guy is a crook,

Sorry vmod32. I cannot go so far as calling them crooks. I got my moneys worth out of each of those deivces and then some. I have nothing to be angry about.

I would put it a little differently.

I would say that the business choices that have been made, have resulted in reduced customer satisfaction and subsequently a pronounced reduction in potential customer loyalty.

It's not a problem. It's an area of concern.

LOL

[tommyoz]

I didn't get anywhere with the 301.013 even when inserting the keys manually.
It didn't roll and it did not take the keys manually just a black screen with no error.

Now the 2700/3900 did roll with Bev but not with Dish as indicated by Bishop. Dish worked when I inserted the keys manually and freezing is not an issue with the 3900.

[agrestab]

It's about as complex as a Magic Card. ROFLI thought that the M/C was great while it lasted, just my 2 cents

[mullet3]

After several days of working with my E card it is working great and displaying the 019 nag 24/7. In two days of trying everything I can think of I did get it to actually show programming for about 5 minutes and then it went to its favorite screen and stays there. Not sure what they are going to do but they do have big problems.

[tommyoz]

Version 3.4 has now been released. We will see how that goes. I am sticking to the public bin first to make sure that works before I proceed to private.

[Matisse]

Yeah it would be pretty funny, But if you've been in this game for very long, you'd know thats NOT possible. As long as any emulation can work, ALL emulation essentially can work. The difference is $130 enema card or a $20 max&mel board... the choice is yours. Emulation is emulation, and is all completely vulnerable to map routine changes. The only device at the moment that is not is a rom 102 card, but they are vulnerable to looping as we have recently seen. So get the best of both worlds use a rom 102 card in aux mode in PGM's st emulator or hell even a rom 102 card in a FTA receiver.

you mean there are actually people that trully believe that when the next major ecm comes down,the enema card will be the only one left standing??:D :D

they also probably believe in the easter bunny,tooth fairy,some god,72 virgins in the afterlife and that theyll win the powerball next week too

ignorance is bliss....and comical.....aint it? ;)

does spending $150 for the enema card make you any more a tester than spending $20 for the max/mel board or just more gulllible??

inquiring minds want to know?

:)

[Matisse]

"You are essentially a beta tester. Finding bugs (lots of them) and reporting back so they can be fixed. A very rough start I'll admit, but give them some more time."

you arent inferring that bill gates is really Magician are you?

ok..then i am!!!

:)

[fubr]

all you guys try to keep this thread informative.
We have had so many opinionated post in so many different threads it is hard for anybody to educate themselves without reading bunch of personal views.
If you have not or never had any of these devices you really should not post what you have only read about anyway in a help thread. Not that this is one I am just saying.
This one is really a discussion's anyway so its cool here I was thinking of the other ones that turn to goat-fucks after a few off topic rants and the members needing help get buried in a pile of bullshit.
My thoughts on the E-card is it will prove itself eventually and it SHOULD be back up at the same time other devices are back up IF and when they go down.

[Matisse]

you got a problem with goat fuckin'?

gee..allegedly...Mili doesnt....lol

[fubr]

I told you way back you had one more day to post that you are a liar or pick a new name.

[mili]

Ok this thread has ran its course.

mili