Enigma Card a Scam? [Archive]

nonamer66

02-07-2007, 07:50 AM

I've been to the forums over at enigmacards.com and it appears its support is no longer there and everyone is pissed about the support including the moderators. I see the card still being sold here and was just curious are you guys having interruptions and issues with your cards. I wanted to buy one but I don't know now.

dog1

02-07-2007, 03:36 PM

michael007

02-07-2007, 04:19 PM

dog1

02-07-2007, 06:58 PM

I've been using it for about a week now and it's been working great (dish network). The only bad thing I can say about it is I can't edit tiers until they release the next version of EnigmaEdit which the coder is taking a long time to release. If you are using Bell I woudn't buy it until they realease enigmaedit 3.5 since Bell is down with the current version.

this is there supermod

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Under normal circumstances I would not allow, not for a minute, anyone - moderator, admin or otherwise - to come to a product's primary support site and tear it all to pieces.

But these are not normal circumstances, and Wilmero, unfortunately, has pretty much pegged the situation. He'll do what he has to do, and I find it difficult to criticize him for what he's saying.

As for myself, I agreed to moderate this site and will continue to do so as long as it exists. I owe that much to its members, even though there's little I can do at this point. I cannot fix this card or effectively impress upon the developer what he's done; it's pretty obvious that he either lacks the intelligence to debug the software or just does not care, or both.

I still hold out a glimmer of hope, but it's got to happen quickly or EnigmaCards and the Enigma itself will become nothing but an unpleasant memory for us all. I am sorry, my friends.
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mili

02-07-2007, 07:21 PM

Well I talked to them and they said they will have the new software soon like today or tomorrow. The card works for DishNEt fine, it lacks private tiers support and MAP57 support for BEV though. As it is it works but has timing issues with 301.013 receivers. Lets wait for them what they do in the next two days before talking shit.

mili

Twostep

02-07-2007, 07:21 PM

I have an Enigma; it doesn't work at all. Maybe Ohms will read this and be kind enough to come on and explain why some cards are working well, except for tier/timezone loading.....and why others are faulty. He is an expert with computer software and his explanation to me made a lot of sense.

A scam? I wouldn't think so. A scammer would be more likely to presell a bunch of cards and then run off with your money, which didn't happen. Too bad for Mili, I say - as a dealer, he stands to lose a lot of money as the word gets around concerning the Enigma's problems.

dog1

02-07-2007, 07:42 PM

mili

02-07-2007, 07:53 PM

Twostep

It has been established that your card has a defect and that has nothing to do with this topic.
We will have to see if they get the issues fixed with 3.5.

mili

Ohms

02-07-2007, 08:17 PM

Expert? Nah... :) Just old and have seen a lot of software development.
This is what I posted on the enigmacards site
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an educated guess.

An early release with inadequate testing has resulted in mixed results. Many have a card that will not work for them. Many others have a (somewhat) working card without autoroll. This is probably a result of the users that are not working having fallen victim of previously unknown software bugs. Without through testing, these bugs are only now being addressed by the coder(s). This may be a large task depending on the scope of the "issues".

If we assume this to be true, we can expect things to improve IF development continues as promised. I suspect that the delay in the release of 3.5 is a result of the huge scope of the sheer number of bugs that need fixing.

Since the card is working for some, I believe it CAN work for all, assuming the bugs are addressed by the coder(s).

As I said, this is a guess, and I only hope I am correct in my assumptions.

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smilingjack

02-07-2007, 08:30 PM

I think they need more up-dates
Instead of fixing all the issues with just one up-date
Fix ONE issues and release something for that
then go to the rest
At least somebody will be happy and give the others hope that maybe their will be the next issues fixed

Ohms

02-07-2007, 09:24 PM

I think they need more up-dates
Instead of fixing all the issues with just one up-date

I agree 100%

coolgrin

02-07-2007, 11:00 PM

Well mili how sure are you on it being released in the next couple of days?We were already promised it by superbowl.Also what about source code have you inquired on its release date?This question may be out of line but if coders do not come through in next few days would you be willing to put enigma cards sales on hold till they meet their expectations and advertisments.That would really show that you support your costomers.I think I already know the answer to that question but I had to ask it on behalf of a lot of people.

coolgrin

mili

02-07-2007, 11:04 PM

Well don't let me stop you from asking, tell them I want to know too. I am not selling any anyway.

mili

coolgrin

02-07-2007, 11:17 PM

I have asked The mods at the cards homesite they do not know.They have no clue on whats goin on.You said you were talking to the coders so I thought you would know.I guess the cards don't sell themself anyway but I had to ask thanks for fast reply

Twostep

02-08-2007, 02:07 AM

Twostep
It has been established that your card has a defect and that has nothing to do with this topic.mili
Correction. It's been established that my card does not work at all, after working somewhat for a short period of time. It is your OPINION that the card is defective, and you may be correct.

It's also feasable that software bugs are causing the problem. Perhaps the code reacted to something in the stream, which caused it to hiccup on my receivers (510 and some 013's). Maybe the coding on the card became corrupted somehow, and it's still there. Anything is possible. I can't say for certain that my card is defective and you can't either, until it's sitting side by side with an identically-programmed card that does work, in the same IRD. We'll also know more if/when 3.5 is released.

For what it's worth, the two you just sent Ohms are responding EXACTLY as mine are, in the same receiver (510). No Autoroll, and 019 after a few minutes of attempting to roll. Net result - no video.

NoNamer66 asked, in the thread title, "Is the Enigma A Scam"....he asked if other members were still having interruptions and issues with the card. I addressed both the issues and the possibility of a scam. I refuted the scam theory and was able to get Ohms to post his ideas about the issues - a direct response to one of the questions NoNamer66 asked. Am I still off-topic?

I'd be a whole lot happier if you'd fuss at somebody who's really trying to cause problems. Deal? Good.:cool:

Ohms

02-08-2007, 02:35 AM

Now now boys. If you can't play nice I'm going to take your toys away. LOL :) :)

I'm not sure that my cards are doing the same as TS's. I get mixed results depending on how I approach it, but for the most part, the card goes 019 right away. After about 20 minutes, I get a 349 card inserted is not the right version for this receiver. That may not be the exact error, but it is something that seems to indicate a REV problem. My eeprom is private and has been patched to 10b before loading. My IRD is 510 IRD info moved, SK removed. The TSOP and the EEPROM are an ex-subbed married key set that work with other methods.
I have only tested with my own bin and have not tried the public numbers. I thought I would wait for an updated enigmaedit.

mili

02-08-2007, 02:39 AM

Ohms get in touch with me withthe firmware version of your 510 and I will send a dump then try it on that. Yes the fucking software is buggy and gives all sorta errors on some recievers. The guy emailed me back saying he is working as fast as he can and for some reason seems to be fixated onreleasing a software that fixes everything even though he had fixes for the errors ages ago. If you ask me he is not too bright.

mili

qrb123

02-08-2007, 04:27 AM

The enigma is not a "scam" per say, it works as designed. People were warned, and if they did not know what they were in for before they ordered, they are too stupid to be in the hobby and deserve what they got.

it was designed to go down with no support fairly quickly so they could hurry up and roll out the next card, and collect on that for a few weeks. Same sales tactic that magician has used a few times before.

I am honeslty shocked anyone is surprised by what happened, all the reputable sites warned you from the get go, if you never saw a warning, maybe you should spend some time on a site that has no finacial interest in a card selling....

Twostep

02-08-2007, 05:05 AM

Now now boys. If you can't play nice I'm going to take your toys away.

Nice? Why Ohms, my friend, Mili and I love each other. If we were to get really naughty everyone in this forum would run for cover. Someone would no doubt get Homeland Security involved. It might even get posted on the BBC website:D

I meant no disrespect and Mili knows it. We're all a little frustrated over this deal and some occasional little spats are bound to happen. And you are correct about your cards; now that I think of it the last time we talked you discussed error 349, something I'm not seeing.

Scherbius, whoever he is, is certainly a piece of work. No further comment on this subject.:rolleyes:

alkasecond

02-08-2007, 06:31 AM

[QUOTE]=
Scherbius, whoever he is, is certainly a piece of work. No further comment on this subject." [quote]
:D:D:D:D:D:D

mili

02-08-2007, 06:49 AM

You will not get an argument out of me on that one.

mili

fubr

02-08-2007, 10:14 PM

Scam? hmm. per-say. no
testing should be hard yes. It should be challenging and require some work, practice and knowledge to make it fullfilling.
It should not be some people trying to keep secrets that causes people problems after they pay for a working device.
If other devices had the same problem because of something charlie did then I say give them a free pass on it and wait for a fix or offer help. If something is not working and other things are that pretty much are the same thing "a device" then somebody somewhere is to blame ( or a team of people)
So to be a scam or not to be a scam there lies somewhere in between A THIN RED LINE.
I would be more apt to say a scam is something that is 100% total bullshit so I dont know what to call this.

kelowna_pitboy

02-08-2007, 11:01 PM

mili was honest from day 1 about this card and its risks, like he does with any testing method. mili is just like the government and cigarettes - he warns you but if you want it, go ahead and buy it but he has always touted plastic as the best method and i got off my lazy ass and learned how and now i am not a slave to cards such as enigma. i was a mc/mc2/and avrx user and this is typical for this type of technology. yes its simple when it works but you are only watching tv when they feel like providing a fix. at least with plastic there is tons of software to play with. when you are playing, at least you are occupied and asking smart questions that help everyone instead of ranting "when will it come....its a scam...why do they do that.....give us crappy code as a temp fix...bla bla bla". this kind of post benefit nobody.

Just my thoughts......
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