Enigma, will it last?

[socawarria]

Sorry guys just a little bit lost. Many favor the card and others don't.
Tested Guardian 2, Rom10, rom10x, avr-x...etc Alot of time and money was lost,
however alot of good was done as well. Is this enigma card worth it to get, or will
it just become another ice scrapper in the pile?

[ruciz]

another ice scraper. How long until its an ice scraper is unknown.

When the next rev update hits if this card comes back then its worth your money.

[smilingjack]

The football card, ROM 2, ROM 3. ROM 10 and ROM & 103 will all become ice scraper eventually.
.
You can either learn 102 / 103 and spend $300 on euptiment........
or get yourself a FTA and learn that $ 200 - $ 300
.
or get a enigma card for $ 144 and watch TV
.
While it steal last.

[coolgrin]

You want to know if an enigma card is any good or not I will tell you.Nobody knows yet.I believe card has one major issue right now and that is not having enough people(coders)working on it.The source code has not been released as of yet and only the enigma team has been working on it.In december besides the odd freeze and using public numbers and accepting what you got as for timezone,locals ect it worked great both providers, rolled good,almost as desribed in ads.The new year has been rough for this card so far.Dish had freezing issues rolling issues but with manual key changes it was up pretty much all the time.B3v well on the 18 of jan it went down because of map 57,Going again as of the 16 of feb.Took a month for that fix not rolling yet nor is dish.Both with minor freezing still.I believe once the source code is released to the public this card could have potential as for what it can actually do with the help of the many awesome freecoders but as for now there are so many bugs and timing issues that need to be solved in the software that I believe it will be still a couple of months before the card runs smoothly for all ird types, just for the fact that coding support for the card is limited.
Right now it is the best it has worked since december and progress is being made but slow.But right now there is a cheaper product working as good or better than the enigma.I do not think the price will ever change but if you like to p(l)ay then get one myself I have lots of them but will not get more till
The source code is released.Right now having many brains working on the card is the most inportant thing that is lacking from this card and until then progress will be slow and fear may end up behind in times as changes from both providers has been frequent.

[Ohms]

Coolgrin, you nailed that one. It's the coding that is the issue, not the card.

[ToUgHsPoT]

Coolgrin, you nailed that one. It's the coding that is the issue, not the card.

Sounds like the same problems with the "ARMULATOR"

Coding is always the problem in this hobby

[alkasecond]

Sorry guys just a little bit lost. Many favor the card and others don't.
Tested Guardian 2, Rom10, rom10x, avr-x...etc Alot of time and money was lost,
however alot of good was done as well. Is this enigma card worth it to get, or will
it just become another ice scrapper in the pile?

Short answer is:
As long as there is freeware code for atmega, It could be shorter though, if the enigma "coder" decides to take vacation.
I;ve had a very trustworty source telling me that enigma is in fact atmega162.
Draw your own conclusion.

[Bandit5906]

Sounds like the same problems with the "ARMULATOR"

Coding is always the problem in this hobby

There are always "issues" in this hobby which is why it is what it is, but to compare the problems was the same as the Armulator is way over the top!

The ARM is still the top product & I hope it returns!

[Faust]

The football card, ROM 2, ROM 3. ROM 10 and ROM & 103 will all become ice scraper eventually.
.
You can either learn 102 / 103 and spend $300 on euptiment........
or get yourself a FTA and learn that $ 200 - $ 300
.
or get a enigma card for $ 144 and watch TV
.
While it steal last.


You can get an open 102/103 for around $100. An ISO loader for around $30-$40, so the price of the 2 solutions is about equal. And those with a bit of foresight were able to pick up our cards on Ebay for as little as 5 bucks a pop before the N2 crack was made public.

The only advantage of the proprietary cards is they cant be looped. However it matters not, if your card is an ice scraper because it got looped or its an ice scrapper because the creators/coders abandoned supporting it. Either way its just as useless. But at least if your testing with ROM cards you have the knowledge base to get back up and running again. Where as when a "plug and play" solution stops working, you have no TV and no clue how to get TV.

DSSREV
DSSNEO
Magic Card
Magic 2 Card
AVRX
Syndrome
ARmulator

All were introduced, sold, and then support was dropped. Its a disturbing trend that is likely to continue. Release card, sell card, abandon it, repeat. The only card I can think of that the developers continued to supported for an appreciable amount of time was the Casper Card.

If someone were to put out a decent card, make it open source and release the source code they would have my business.

[Bandit5906]

While I may question Faust's prices, his observation is valid. I am still partial to the Armulator as being a superior piece of equipment which is no longer being manufactured.

[socawarria]

Great reponses guys, so basically it all comes down to the coders, but not to sound stupid why did rom 10 stop working? couldn't it be coded as a Rom 102?

[hacker]

Great reponses guys, so basically it all comes down to the coders, but not to sound stupid why did rom 10 stop working? couldn't it be coded as a Rom 102?
The rom 10 stopped working because it can't handle the map calls.

[robm661]

why worry how long or if it ever goes down any time soon ,for a dollar and a half its been up for 3 months allready in my eyes allready pd for itself so get on it if u have no other options of testing maybe its not the best? who knows but not work to get up and running, what the hay i figure i get my 2 cents in

[DssMindfreak]

why worry how long or if it ever goes down any time soon ,for a dollar and a half its been up for 3 months allready in my eyes allready pd for itself so get on it if u have no other options of testing maybe its not the best? who knows but not work to get up and running, what the hay i figure i get my 2 cents in
atmega been up for 5+ years for $100 less

[Bandit5906]

Lets be fair here and remember that those five years were not collective and required more than one version of the Atmega.

Based on your figures I could say that the ROM card has been up forever (different versions of course).

[Phottoman]

Just my two cents here, very little mention of the Atmega in this thread, which IS up and running (again, and again, and again). Once feared dead beyond resurection, it DID come back, twice in the past two years, and has a strong following, and several coders working on it.

AND, with the multitude of programming aids, DT-Tierworks, and now Dr-Tierworks, and new revisions coming out almost daily, I am very surprised that mili, although asked and begged in the past to carry these in his store, hasn't.

I fear this is like asking an IRD user which ONE IRD is "best," the answers you'll get will be based on which ONE (most) users are testing. I enjoy a couple of IRDs for different reasons, and can give my opinions on those IRDs but can't answer about others, same here, I use 102's and Atmega's, but can't answer about Enigma, but can tell you about the money I have spent in HU, Magic, and Magic 11, and on Atmegas.

I think the best you'll find is whatever makes YOU comfortable is what you should buy. There is, of course, NO WAY of telling how long anything will last, so that sort of negates your question.

Good luck, and let us know what you decide (smile).

Photto

[JT]

Nothing is running as good as emu though. Mili says the enigma card is running perfectly now, but it still cost's 5x what a emu board costs, and emu way out performs every other method of testing available, and it's cheap too. Moral of the story, to each his own. As long as your watchn' TV.

[hacker]

Nothing is running as good as emu though. Mili says the enigma card is running perfectly now, but it still cost's 5x what a emu board costs, and emu way out performs every other method of testing available, and it's cheap too. Moral of the story, to each his own. As long as your watchn' TV.
Do you think emu will be around after the next rev and map change? What is your opinion? Thanks

[Bandit5906]

In a word: YES! I believe the coder(s) take their task personally and will do all they can to provide us with a working system.

[JT]

Historically, emu has always been the most stable and cost effective. It does require a bit of know how and perhaps some soldering skills, but it's most certainly the way to go IMO. Neither Cemu or st19xl will be effected with new map calls. Every once in a while emu wont roll keys, but usually 24hrs or less before uptates have things rolling again. Just my opinion though. Point being is what ever works.

[DB]

Cemu will be effected if a new map call is introducted. st19xl is the one that uses the aux'ed card right?? If so it will need to have the aux'ed image updated with the new map calls. Emu is by far a better testing solution then the enigma. Just have to do a bit of reading to get it going, unlike the enigma. Other then a rom102, I personally think the Armulator is the best thing going right now. Just hope the updates keep coming. I wouldn't buy an enigma. I was just reading people have been scraping the crap off the chips on it and it has an atmega162 just like the magic and avr-x cards had.

[mili]

For fuck's sake people it is not the Atmega162 I can tell you with certainty. Get over that dumb propagande will ya? You like it or not whether it works or not is open for debate, what fuckign chip is on it is not cause it ain't the A162.


mili

[airzimzerker]

For fuck's sake people it is not the Atmega162 I can tell you with certainty. Get over that dumb propagande will ya? You like it or not whether it works or not is open for debate, what fuckign chip is on it is not cause it ain't the A162.
mili


The chip matters because if it is not an arm chip then it would show the dealers lied. If you buy from a proven liar, you deserve what you get. I actually do not care what chip it is. They lied about releasing the code and it sill does not have half the features advertised.

[gcan]

as long as it doenst loop, shows television, then there should be no worries..........................gcan

[bill]

Before you can talk about if it wlll last, it has to begin. All I have seen so far is the release of a lot of versions that do not work, at least not for dish. I have hopes that the coders will present us with a program that works and works well.

[alkasecond]

For fuck's sake people it is not the Atmega162 I can tell you with certainty. Get over that dumb propagande will ya? You like it or not whether it works or not is open for debate, what fuckign chip is on it is not cause it ain't the A162.
mili

It all depends of your definition of "certainty" , if you're relying on the supplier
info , ,, well it could be misleading.
In any case if I was You , I wouldn't be so "certain".
LOL.

[mili]

No actually I rely on others who know how to tell chips apart and don't think that every chip wiht a certain amount of legs and same size MUST be the same chip.

mili

[DrRa]

just for shits not being a smart ass what was the chip that other guy said it was?

[airzimzerker]

Why is the chip so secret?

[gcan]

Why is the chip so secret?

because what charlie doenst know wont hurt him :) ................gcan

[simon1]

the enigma is as good as the atmega not much more once the atmega gone again gl with enegma

[airzimzerker]

because what charlie doenst know wont hurt him :) ................gcan

that is just silly. they have all the tool needed to determine the chip very quickly.

[cmd82]

this enigma card is nothing like the ARMULATOR and never will be the arm has ran great with little or no freeze at all and support well its there nothing like the enigma,trying to compare the 2 is just dumb,for 1 can u run a 102 bin on the enigma card can u test any 102 bin with or without a blocker just like a real 102 card, can u use your private info ????? no never welp i know 1 you can on the armulator. i suggest hurry up and get 1 while they have them

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[natas2004]

don't waste your time buying any card now that has to be programed, it's just as easy if not easier to get an fta for $120 bucks.. more reliable and less headaches, true testing is over..for now anyways, go the easier way with fta's these cards coming out are for people who think there doing something speacial which there not...boring

[gcan]

that is just silly. they have all the tool needed to determine the chip very quickly.


i dont see why makers would wanna hide it from its local members here in the testing community....................................gcan

[Ohms]

i dont see why makers would wanna hide it from its local members here in the testing community....................................gcan

Pure speculation follows:

If the details of the hardware were known, then it would be possible to easily duplicate it. You could take the hard work of the originator and capitalize on it by selling cheap clones that could be programmed with the originals software. The clones could be sold cheaper as there would be minimal development costs and venture capital investors would not need to be paid back. It's easy to copy, it's harder to invent. So the cheaper cards would sell better than the original.

The originator would would go out of business unless they figured out a way to replace the lost revenue. Perhaps charging for software support would be one option. After all, why would someone who can no longer sell his cards continue creating software for the clones benefit?

[qrb123]

The enigma will not last long - 3-4 more months tops.

[Ohms]

The enigma will not last long - 3-4 more months tops.


Its already been out that long mr 7 post swami

I have read all 7 of them and there is nothing positive or helpful in any of them. Looks like you are here for only one purpose.