Appeals Court Overturns D.C. Gun Ban

[smilingjack]

Appeals Court Overturns D.C. Gun Ban


Friday, March 9, 2007
WASHINGTON - A federal appeals court overturned the District of Columbia's long-standing handgun ban Friday, rejecting the city's argument that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applied only to militias.
In a 2-1 decision, the judges held that the activities protected by the Second Amendment "are not limited to militia service, nor is an individual's enjoyment of the right contingent upon his or her continued intermittent enrollment in the militia."
The court also ruled the D.C. requirement that registered firearms be kept unloaded, disassembled and under trigger lock was unconstitutional.
In 2004, a lower-court judge had told six city residents that they did not have a constitutional right to own handguns. The plaintiffs include residents of high-crime neighborhoods who wanted the guns for protection.
"The district's definition of the militia is just too narrow," Judge Laurence Silberman wrote for the majority Friday. "There are too many instances of 'bear arms' indicating private use to conclude that the drafters intended only a military sense."
Judge Karen Henderson dissented, writing that the Second Amendment does not apply to the District of Columbia because it is not a state.
The Bush administration has endorsed individual gun-ownership rights, but the Supreme Court has never settled the issue.
If the dispute makes it to the high court, it would be the first case in nearly 70 years to address the Second Amendment's scope.
Even as the appeals court overturned the D.C. ban on most handgun ownership, Silberman wrote that the Second Amendment is still "subject to the same sort of reasonable restrictions that have been recognized as limiting, for instance, the First Amendment."
Such restrictions might include gun registration to provide the government with information about how many people would be armed if militia service was required, firearms testing to promote public safety or restrictions on gun ownership for criminals or those deemed mentally ill.
A spokeswoman for the district attorney general's office would not comment on the ruling.

[skinerd]

The RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR arms...........should apply to the common man, not just criminals who keep and bear anyway, rights or no.....

The west was not won with a registered gun......

[Reabo]

It's a great day for gun owners. Hope it is appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. I feel certain that they will uphold it. Anyone with any common sense at all, knows that it protects an individual right.

[Phottoman]

My 2 cents.

I have a CCW from the Great State of Arizona, and I have to let you know, when the latest gun laws were passed in AZ making it an "open carry state," the number of reported crimes dropped by 74% on the first day the law went into effect. Who would be stupid enough to try robbing the old lady of her pension/ssi check if she ~might~ pull a gun and shoot YOUR ass.

I've talked to numerous California cops and they all wish that CA would enact similar laws. Yeah, there'd be a rash of shootings, mostly gangbangers, but what the hell, get them out of the gene pool.

And a funny (if that is the right word) fact. In Bullhead City, across the river from Laughlin NV, there are several banks, but ONE only has a sign on their front door. "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED." Hell, it's a five minute drive from there to the NV border, and guess which ONE bank is held up once a week.

Photto

[smilingjack]

I always look at the opposite way.
.
"open carry state,"

(after several checks and firearms trainer course, and of a cores a TAX, and don't get by knowing a cop won't know you have a gun, it is rigged on the car plate and your drivers license when the run you)
.
The Arizona took away our RIGHT to carry guns in the open.
You have to hide them now.

[Ohms]

The RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR arms...........should apply to the common man, not just criminals who keep and bear anyway, rights or no.....

The west was not won with a registered gun......


I could not agree more strongly!!!!

[Ohms]

Washington DC.

Guns outlawed.
Highest murder rate in the country.

Don't be stupid.

Nuff said.

[Phottoman]

I always look at the opposite way.
.
"open carry state,"
(after several checks and firearms trainer course, and of a cores a TAX, and don't get by knowing a cop won't know you have a gun, it is rigged on the car plate and your drivers license when the run you)
.
The Arizona took away our RIGHT to carry guns in the open.
You have to hide them now.

Actually you are "almost" right. In AZ now, all citizens have the right to carry a firearm, OPENLY. If you cover it with a jacket or coat, that is concealed and needs a permit.

I for one am happy as HELL for the way the laws are written in AZ. I carry openly, but I also have a permit allowing me concealing my weapon on my person or in my car.

The info about having a CCW IS linked to your car plate, but that is so LEOs wont be surprised if they stop you for something.

BTW, most people carrying concealed weapons have taken courses on hand guns, taken tests and shown proficiency in using a hand gun, and passed a federal background check to insure that felons and mental patients aren't given permits. The exception is retired peace offices from other states that show they were in law enforcement for a number of years (I don't remember how many) but that is nformation I will find out soon. I am getting ready to take a course myself to become an instructor so I can teach CCW classes.

Photto

(When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns)

[skinerd]

BTW, most people carrying concealed weapons have taken courses on hand guns, taken tests and shown proficiency in using a hand gun, and passed a federal background check to insure that felons and mental patients aren't given permits. The exception is retired peace offices from other states that show they were in law enforcement for a number of years (I don't remember how many) but that is nformation I will find out soon.

So retired, mentally unstable cops get a free pass?
Background checks, should be, for EVERYONE, no exceptions.......shit man, there are real cops out there right now that should not be allowed to carry....

[hughnohoo]

Great ! Now lets hope their aim is good...senate, house, white house !:cool:

[fubr]

Mrs. fubar tries to get me to get rid of my pistol all the time. she says it scares her.
I keep it put up and locked and the rounds in a separate place.
She is not scared of the 12gauge or the 22 cal rifle (I know it is a squirrel gun but will fuck a person up and not kill them as dead)
She really gets pissed when my oldest daughter and I practice shooting.
One thing that is a deterrent to a break in or home invasion around here is most people know the home owner has guns inside. Most of that shit happens while families are on vacation.
We dont have many home invasions here but we do seem to have alot of manslaughters from irate husbands who shoot the ole ladies boyfriend????

[skinerd]

We dont have many home invasions here but we do seem to have alot of manslaughters from irate husbands who shoot the ole ladies boyfriend????

Why shoot the boyfriend, if you are going to jail may as well shoot the old lady, she's the guilty party, shoot the boyfriend, she'll just find another.

[fubr]

Why shoot the boyfriend, if you are going to jail may as well shoot the old lady, she's the guilty party, shoot the boyfriend, she'll just find another.


Conjugal visits :)

wife = murder
boyfriend = plea bargain down to manslaughter.
Do ten years and hope you dont have to play destination dirt-pipe with bubba

[Ohms]

Fubr sound like you got this all figure out down to the fine details.

[cold iron]

I always found it odd that our constituion that guarantees our rights was held in a place that had some of our right's denied. There is still hope.

[fubr]

I have no plans of incarceration, a few people around here have done that though,
Adultery is not against any laws but jurors seem to let the ones who go of in a jealous rage off a little lighter.
I think yes there should be strong laws and a waiting period for gun owners and even think that a violent crime offender should be bared from carrying, but we all as home owners and citizens should have the right to have our own fire arms.
Who are these assholes to think they can sit on their fat ass and tell us what we should watch, eat, and whats best for us and we pay them to do it.
example; People were getting killed long before video games came out, people who kill will do it anyway not because of some game they were playing that had cop killers in it.

[Twostep]

jurors seem to let the ones who go of in a jealous rage off a little lighter
Yep. My daughter's ex-father in law murdered a state trooper with his bare hands; flat beat him to death, after the father in law walked right in on his wife having sex with the guy. Under normal circumstances capital murder would carry either a mandatory life sentence or the death penalty - in this case, the sentence was 7 years.

I'd say 90 percent of the violent crime in this town involving guns is either gangbanger-related or jealous boyfriend-related. There's lots of dope but mostly that just involves possession/distribution charges. There ain't much you can do about jealous boyfriends...fucking idiot women just keep going back to them, "I know he loves me, he didn't mean to break my jaw, it was my fault" mentality - then one day the woman winds up with a bullet in the head and everyone wonders why. But the gangbangers....it's time law enforcement (and the public) gets tough with these people.

As radical as it sounds, how I'd love to read the morning paper and see where some innocent citizen, minding his own business, blew away 6 gang members with an AK47, who were driving by shooting up his house. Might make the next group of drive-by wannabees think again.

An old saying to be sure, but to me gun control means using both hands to aim.

[Reabo]

Yep. My daughter's ex-father in law murdered a state trooper with his bare hands; flat beat him to death, after the father in law walked right in on his wife having sex with the guy. Under normal circumstances capital murder would carry either a mandatory life sentence or the death penalty - in this case, the sentence was 7 years.

I'd say 90 percent of the violent crime in this town involving guns is either gangbanger-related or jealous boyfriend-related. There's lots of dope but mostly that just involves possession/distribution charges. There ain't much you can do about jealous boyfriends...fucking idiot women just keep going back to them, "I know he loves me, he didn't mean to break my jaw, it was my fault" mentality - then one day the woman winds up with a bullet in the head and everyone wonders why. But the gangbangers....it's time law enforcement (and the public) gets tough with these people.

As radical as it sounds, how I'd love to read the morning paper and see where some innocent citizen, minding his own business, blew away 6 gang members with an AK47, who were driving by shooting up his house. Might make the next group of drive-by wannabees think again.

An old saying to be sure, but to me gun control means using both hands to aim.
Your absolutely right. Politicians don't understand, criminals, by their very nature, do NOT obey laws, so how in the hell are gun laws to prevent crime.:cool:

[hughnohoo]

Washington DC.

Guns outlawed.
Highest murder rate in the country.

Don't be stupid.

Nuff said.

While I agree with the ruling, get your facts straight:


Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report For Release
January-December 2005 Issued June 12, 2006
Issued By Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation, United States Department of Justice, Washington, D.C. 20535

excerpts:

Murder:

Baltimore 269
Chicago 447
Dallas 202
Detroit 359
Houston 334
Los Angeles 489
New york 539
Philadelphia 377
Phoenix 220
Washington DC 195

source:
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/gazette/2006/06/2005-us-crime-statistics-fbi.php

Sorry, couldn't find 2006 figs yet, except individually for every stinking city. (I think the FBI was too busy reading my e-mail and listening to my phone conversations to write the fking report)
I'll leave it to you guys to figure out the rate per 100,000 people, if it matters...they are still dead.

[smilingjack]

Murder is up this year
Miami & Orlando (Fla.)

[smilingjack]

Big-City Murders Jump More Than 10 Percent
Friday, March 09, 2007

E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
WASHINGTON — The murder rate jumped by more than 10 percent among dozens of large U.S. cities since 2004, a study shows in the latest sign of the end of a national lull in violent crime.

Robberies also spiked, as did felony assaults and attacks with guns, according to the report to be released Friday by the Police Executive Research Forum, a Washington-based law enforcement think tank.

FBI data similarly has shown a rise in violent crime — if not as dramatic — since 2004. The Justice Department says crime was historically low that year.

"Two years worth of double-digit increases in violent crime demonstrates an unmistakable change in the extent and the nature of crime in America," said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the nonprofit think tank that is funded in part by the Justice Department, as well as corporations and private foundations.

"There are those that say this is a statistical blip, an aberration," Wexler said. "After two years, this is no aberration."

The report surveyed crime rates in 56 large U.S. metropolitan areas including Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas and Washington. It did not include violent crime rates in New York, the nation's largest city, which did not participate in the voluntary survey. An advance copy of the report, titled "Violent Crime in America: 24 Months of Alarming Trends," was obtained by The Associated Press.

The report compared crime statistics from 2004, 2005 and 2006 and tracked how much they had changed over the 24 months beginning Jan. 1, 2005.

Justice spokesman Dean Boyd called the department "concerned about the increase in violent crime in some cities and towns" as was reported in FBI data released last fall. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has asked Congress to spend $200 million next year to help cities and regions combat gangs, illicit drugs and gun offenses.

"The Department of Justice is committed to ensuring the safety of every American city and town," Boyd said.

The forum's study found:

— _Forty of the 56 surveyed police departments, or 71 percent, saw homicide rates increase since 2004. That translated into an overall 10.2 percent jump in murders. Between 2005 and 2006, the increase in murders was much lower: 2.8 percent.

— Robberies rose among the cities by 6 percent since 2005 and 12 percent since 2004. Between 75 and 80 percent of the departments surveyed saw a spike in robberies.

— Felony assaults dipped slightly, by 2 percent, between 2005 and 2006, but rose slightly, by 3 percent, since 2004.

— Gun assaults saw a 1 percent boost from 2005 but spiked by nearly 10 percent during the 24-month period.

The Justice Department has been keeping a close eye on crime rates after seeing a 2.2 percent rise nationwide in rapes, murder, robbery, aggravated assault and other violence in 2005 — the first increase since 2001.

Last fall, mayors and police chiefs reported seeing recent spikes in violent crime, calling for greater support from federal law enforcement agencies that have been distracted by counterterror missions since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

[skinerd]

The highway death toll stands at about 42,000 per year......so we need to close highways down???

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun has..........

[skinerd]

read as many as it takes for you to understand that defending your life and your home IS the answer to home invasion... then let's see about getting you trained.

• Home invader shot and killed by robbery victim (Chattanooga, Tennessee, January 13, 2000)
• Homeowner Kills Would-be Intruder (Fulton County, Georgia, January 11, 2001)
• Burglary suspect confronted by armed citizen, arrested (Gainesville, FL, January 10, 2001)
• Man charged with burglary shot in leg (Tampa Terrace, FL, January 7, 2000)
• 70-year-old Korean War veteran wounds robber (Richmond, Virginia, December 29, 2000)
• Man killed in botched robbery attempt (Indianapolis, Indiana, December 28, 2000)
• Home Intruder shot and killed while punching man's wife in their bedroom (New Orleans, December 24, 2000)
• Armed Neighbor Prevents Rape (Kitsap, Washington, December 18, 2000)
• Burglary suspect held till cops arrive (Georgia, December 8, 2000)
• Armed Doctor Stops Burglary - and Burglars (Washington, December 8, 2000)
• Home Invasion Stopped by Armed Citizen (North Carolina, November 23, 2000)
• Son shoots man who is attacking his dad (Florida, November 25, 2000)
• Vass man kills armed robber (North Carolina, November 21, 2000)
• Man shot during home break-in, possibly the rapist police were seeking (Colorado, November 21, 2000)
• Man shot after committing robbery (North Carolina, November 11, 2000)
• 77-year-old Los Angeles Man Shoots Prowler after Being Fired Upon (California, November 12, 2000)
• North Carolina Resident Shoots Intruder (Cleveland County, NC October 28, 2000)
• Revolver thwarts robbery (Florida, October 22, 2000)
• Gun-toting attorney foils burglary (Kentucky, October 21, 2000)
• Homeowner likely won't face charges for shooting intruders (Colorado, September 26, 2000)
• Suspect Shot in Burglary Scuffle (Albuquerque, September 15, 2000)
• Monterey Park Man Stops Home Invasion (California, September 16, 2000)
• Robber dead, 2 hurt in home invasion (Miami, FL, September 2, 2000)
• Home Invasion Arrests: One Citizen Stops 4 Criminals (Salt Lake City, 8/22/2000)
• Self-defense cited in highway shooting (Charlotte, NC, 8/21/2000)
• Police: shooter acted in self-defense (Philly, 8-3-2000)
• Man fatally shot an intruder in self-defense (Ohio, 8/12/2000)
• Armed Citizen Shoots Felon Who was Out on Bond (Florida, 8/18/2000)
• Intruder shot to death - Man had broken into ex-girlfriend's house
• Man Shot Dead Attacking Neighbor (Florida, August 9, 2000)
• Have Gun, Will Not Fear Any More (Susan Gonzalez Story)
• Robbery Foiled by Armed Citizen (Altoga, Texas, July 2000)
• Robbers Stopped When One of Four is Shot with Shotgun (Fairview, Oregon, July 19,2000)
• Man kills 1 intruder, injures 2nd (Parkland, Washington, June 7, 2000)
• Female Accountant shoots gunman, may have saved seven lives
• Intruder Killed by Homeowner (Utah, May, 22, 2000)
• No charges anticipated in killing of armed criminal in Philly (Philadelphia, June 17, 2000)
• Prosecutor puts lead in purported pilferer (Prescott, AZ, June 5, 2000)
• Short wait, gunfire nets suspect in burglaries (Arizona, 3-9-2000)
• Atlanta cop's wife shoots, kills intruder (3-31-2000)
• Armed intruder shot by former roommates (Wichita, KS 5-1-2000)
• My Heart is Still in My Throat by Texas Mom
• Two PA Men, 75 & 80, Fend off Burglars (May 4, 2000)

[hughnohoo]

Murder is up this year
Miami & Orlando (Fla.)
Wouldn't it be interesting if the FBI had the balls to keep records of the perps by race ?:cool:
Having lived in Orlando, I can tell you it ain't the white folks....and yes, when it comes to this shit, I AM a racist.

[skinerd]

Wouldn't it be interesting if the FBI had the balls to keep records of the perps by race ?:cool:
Having lived in Orlando, I can tell you it ain't the white folks....and yes, when it comes to this shit, I AM a racist.

But they do..................

hxxp://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm


edited to kill live link.

[fubr]

notice in skinerds post how many old timers belive in this shit!

[hughnohoo]

But they do..................

hxxp://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm


edited to kill live link.

Interesting that the rate is declining...in jail or dead I hope.....:p

IMHO, do any crime with a weapon, not just a gun, you die. And only 1 appeal. And cops don't investigate themselves anymore....

Oh, and for that brave soul in Queens NY who likes to beat the shit out of 101 year old ladies...hope the boys in the hood find your ass before the cops do ! I'd vote to acquit anyone who does you in !

[Ohms]

While I agree with the ruling, get your facts straight:
Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report For Release
January-December 2005 Issued June 12, 2006
Issued By Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation, United States Department of Justice, Washington, D.C. 20535
excerpts:
Murder:
Baltimore 269
Chicago 447
Dallas 202
Detroit 359
Houston 334
Los Angeles 489
New york 539
Philadelphia 377
Phoenix 220
Washington DC 195
source:
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/gazette/2006/06/2005-us-crime-statistics-fbi.php
Sorry, couldn't find 2006 figs yet, except individually for every stinking city. (I think the FBI was too busy reading my e-mail and listening to my phone conversations to write the fking report)
I'll leave it to you guys to figure out the rate per 100,000 people, if it matters...they are still dead.
According to the link you provided, this list includes consisting of violent murders, robberies and aggravated assaults, and not just murders.
Let me "get my facts straight" as you put it.
hxxp://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html
SELECTED WORST CITIES IN THE WORLD
MURDER (LATE-1990s)
EUROPE AND USA CITY MURDERS
PER 100,000
(1) Washington, D.C., USA 69.3
(2) Philadelphia, USA 27.4
(3) Dallas, USA 24.8
(4) Los Angeles, USA 22.8
(5) Chicago, USA 20.5
(6) Phoenix, USA 19.1
(7) Moscow, Russia 18.1
(8) Houston, USA 18.0
(9) New York City, USA 16.8
(10) Helsinki, Finland 12.5
(11) Lisbon, Portugal 9.7
(12) San Diego, USA 8.0
(13) Amsterdam, Netherlands 7.7
(14) Belfast, N.Ireland, UK 4.4
(15) Geneva, Switzerland 4.2
(16) Copenhagen, Denmark 4.0
(17) Berlin, Germany 3.8
(18) Paris, France 3.3
(19) Stockholm, Sweden 3.0
(20) Prague, Czechoslovakia 2.9
TEN WORST LARGE CITIES FOR MURDER, 2002 CITY PER 100,000
(1) Washington, DC 45.8
(2) Detroit 42.0
(3) Baltimore 38.3
(4) Memphis 24.7
(5) Chicago 22.2
(6) Philadelphia 19.0
(7) Columbus 18.1
(8) Milwaukee 18.0
(9) Los Angeles 17.5
(10) Dallas 15.8
And here is one for you liberals. Your precious NPR even reports it.
hxxp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1490903
Although they site all kinds of sad reasons for it. Those poor murderous SOBs just need to be understood.

[Ohms]

Oh, and for that brave soul in Queens NY who likes to beat the shit out of 101 year old ladies...hope the boys in the hood find your ass before the cops do ! I'd vote to acquit anyone who does you in !


I would even pay to get in a whack on that bastard's jaw. A REAL HARD whack.
Then, I would be happy to hold the SOB while you others take whacks too.

[hughnohoo]

the murders were in the first column on left 2004 and 2005...but does it really matter ? Lots of dead folks any way you cut it...and I'd LOVE for you to hold that coxucker still while I whacked him :)

[imasickboy]

Judge Karen Henderson dissented, writing that the Second Amendment does not apply to the District of Columbia because it is not a state.


Was this judge appointed or elected? According to her logic, the rest of the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in D.C. either, "because it is not a state". I do hope that more people catch what she wrote, and her career suffers for it. Simply unbelievable.

[alsouthster]

Ok ...this “liberal” stooge will step into the line of fire :)
First off I think guns are cool, always have. Like shooting them, putting holes in cans, playing Russian roulette, etc

And if I moved to Washington one of the first things I’d do, maybe even before putting my dishes on the roof, would be to get myself a registered handgun (if allowed, hehe).
But seeing as live in Canada, where we don’t have as many murders, drivebys, gangbangers, GUNS, I don’t need a weapon at home. At least not yet. That’s ok by me.

See what I am getting at? There are way less guns here, thanks to strict gun laws, and there are way less deaths by gun. Not a hard equation to figure out. Just about everywhere else in the world where there are less guns, there are less murders.

As far as the Washington stats go, yeah it is murder capital. But couldn’t it be EVEN worse if the strict gun law had not been in place?

I understand the need to protect your home and family from harm, especially when a fully armed criminal class is on the prowl.
But I also think there might be socio-economic reasons why poor inner city blacks are gun crazy. It ain't just cuz they are listening to too much hip hop (though some of that doesn't help...I say that as a hip hop fan).

I guess in the end it seems a shame that the only solution is for everyone, good and bad, to be armed to the friggin tooth and ready to fire.

[Ohms]

[QUOTE=alsouthster]First off I think guns are cool, always have. Like shooting them, putting holes in cans, playing Russian roulette, etc Does not sound like any of my liberal friends.
And if I moved to Washington one of the first things I’d do, maybe even before putting my dishes on the roof, would be to get myself a registered handgun Man, that REALLY does not sound like my liberal friends.
I understand the need to protect your home and family from harm, especially when a fully armed criminal class is on the prowl. Now you are sounding like me, and I ain't no liberal baby.
But I also think there might be socio-economic reasons why poor inner city blacks are gun crazy. It ain't just cuz they are listening to too much hip hop There we go... Now you sound like a true bleeding heart.
I like you alsouthster. #1 you are not afraid to speak your mind. #2 You think about the issues and reach your own informed conclusions. #3 I think you are a closet conservative with some liberal tendencies. Just the kind of guy I could spend hours debating with.
;)

[hughnohoo]

maybe this may provide some insight into what he is saying...just saw the results of a "poll" on cnbc that says peeps earning over 100k a yr tend to be happier than those earning less then 30k a yr...shee it ! I would NEVER have thought that...

[Ohms]

HA! Shocking

[Ohms]

Speaking of guns..... WOW!!!

hxxp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6750458630308006678&q=extrema+2&hl=en

[skinerd]

Speaking of guns..... WOW!!!

hxxp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6750458630308006678&q=extrema+2&hl=en


12 shots........1.73 seconds......that is amazing...
and that dude demo-ing the gun....can shoot....

[alsouthster]

[quote=alsouthster]
I like you alsouthster. #1 you are not afraid to speak your mind. #2 You think about the issues and reach your own informed conclusions. #3 I think you are a closet conservative with some liberal tendencies. Just the kind of guy I could spend hours debating with.
;)

well thank you Ohms, I like you too hehe...especially since when I was stone cold newb with blinking green light on 301.10 and no friend but Wall you and JT came to rescue hehe
but yeah I do try to keep open mind, as befits my position as a liberal liberatarian green situationist
ok time to segue to some Skynyrd ..hehehe ...Saturday NIght Special.....RIP Ronnie Van Zandt


Two feets they come a creepin
Like a black cat do
And two bodies are lyin naked
Creeper think he got nothin to lose
So he creeps into this house, yeah
And unlocks the door
And while a man reaching for his trousers
Shoots him full of .38 holes

(chorus)
Its a saturday night special
Got a barrel thats blue and cold
Aint no good for nothin
But put a man six feet in a hole

Big jims been drinkin whiskey
And playing poker on a losin night
Pretty soon, big jim starts a thinkin
Somebody been cheatin and lyin
So big jim commences to fightin
I wouldnt tell you no lie
And big jim done grab his pistol
Shot his friend right between the eyes

(chorus)

Hand guns are made for killin
Aint no good for nothin else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why dont we dump em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me

[Reabo]

:eek: [quote=Ohms]

well thank you Ohms, I like you too hehe...especially since when I was stone cold newb with blinking green light on 301.10 and no friend but Wall you and JT came to rescue hehe
but yeah I do try to keep open mind, as befits my position as a liberal liberatarian green situationist
ok time to segue to some Skynyrd ..hehehe ...Saturday NIght Special.....RIP Ronnie Van Zandt


Two feets they come a creepin
Like a black cat do
And two bodies are lyin naked
Creeper think he got nothin to lose
So he creeps into this house, yeah
And unlocks the door
And while a man reaching for his trousers
Shoots him full of .38 holes

(chorus)
Its a saturday night special
Got a barrel thats blue and cold
Aint no good for nothin
But put a man six feet in a hole

Big jims been drinkin whiskey
And playing poker on a losin night
Pretty soon, big jim starts a thinkin
Somebody been cheatin and lyin
So big jim commences to fightin
I wouldnt tell you no lie
And big jim done grab his pistol
Shot his friend right between the eyes

(chorus)

Hand guns are made for killin
Aint no good for nothin else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why dont we dump em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me

Sorry to upset your "song" theory (one of the few songs by Skynerd I don't like, lol..) But I have taken Deer, Elk, Bison, Mountain Lion, & many other animals with my handguns. I'm not sure that you know what a Libertarian is, but I am just as sure YOU are not one, lol........:cool:

[skinerd]

Beatles........

Happiness is a warm gun
Happiness is a warm gun mama
When I hold you in my arms
and I feel my finger on your trigger
I know nobody can do no harm
Because Happiness is a warm gun mama
Happiness is a warm gun, yes it is
Happiness is a warm, yes it is, gun
Ah, don't you know that
Happiness is a warm gun mama

[bols2dawaLL]

12 shots........1.73 seconds......that is amazing...
and that dude demo-ing the gun....can shoot....

Damn that's impressive

[hughnohoo]

yes, it was...but I had a DI in basic that could come damn close to that using an M-14... (for you kids out there, thats the equivilent of a 30-30 7.62mm)

[alsouthster]

:eek: [quote=alsouthster]

I'm not sure that you know what a Libertarian is, but I am just as sure YOU are not one, lol........:cool:


Well Skynyrd also did Mississippi Kid

I've got my pistols in my pockets boys,
I'm Alabama bound.
I've got my pistols in my pockets boys, I'm
I'm Alabama bound.
Well, I'm not looking for no trouble
But nobody dogs me 'round

So I guess RVZ was conflicted haha…(actually nowhere in Saturday Night Special does he say that the govt. should stop people from owning guns).

Regarding the Beatles, I’m not sure Lennon was being literal in that song…though it’s too bad him or Yoko wasn’t packing when Mark David Chapman came around :eek:

But no Reabo I’m not a member of the American Libertarian party...but I would argue that there are different aspects to libertarian thought. For example, I am pro legalizing drugs and prostitution, am anti-censorship, and got no problem with gays getting married. Those are libertarian ideas, do you agree with em all?

A kind of cool thing is the political compass test ...you take it and it tells you where you fit on political spectrum
hxxp://www.politicalcompass.org
It makes a point that differences between left and right etc are not so cut and dried.
When I took it I ended up somewhere around Ghandi LOL

[Reabo]

[quote=Reabo]:eek:


Well Skynyrd also did Mississippi Kid

I've got my pistols in my pockets boys,
I'm Alabama bound.
I've got my pistols in my pockets boys, I'm
I'm Alabama bound.
Well, I'm not looking for no trouble
But nobody dogs me 'round

So I guess RVZ was conflicted haha…(actually nowhere in Saturday Night Special does he say that the govt. should stop people from owning guns).

Regarding the Beatles, I’m not sure Lennon was being literal in that song…though it’s too bad him or Yoko wasn’t packing when Mark David Chapman came around :eek:

But no Reabo I’m not a member of the American Libertarian party...but I would argue that there are different aspects to libertarian thought. For example, I am pro legalizing drugs and prostitution, am anti-censorship, and got no problem with gays getting married. Those are libertarian ideas, do you agree with em all?

A kind of cool thing is the political compass test ...you take it and it tells you where you fit on political spectrum
hxxp://www.politicalcompass.org
It makes a point that differences between left and right etc are not so cut and dried.
When I took it I ended up somewhere around Ghandi LOL
Well Pardner, I took the silly test (all such tests are silly) I ended up closer to Ghandi also. As far as my political views go, I am a Libertarian, at least my view of one, lol....I believe in the Cowboy way, I don't give a sh*t what anyone does, their life belongs to them, not me or the State. As long as they don't try to push "their" values on me & mine, I've got no problem with them.
I truly believe we need less other people, including government, no especially government, lol...intruding in to our every day lives.:cool: