Bell Aiming issues - please help

[millenium2ko]

I have spent hours trying to get this thing aimed. I have a bell 9200 w/dual lnb. I unfortunately had to take down the satellite to do some work on the house, I had it tuned in last year with no problems. When I put it back in place the signal was week so I wanted to tweak it only to loose it completely.

Currently I have it close... I think. I am picking up satellite 82 but on the 91 lnb. Does anyone know if this a skew, horizontal or vertical adjustment to get 91 on 91 and 82 on 82.

I called Bell - I would use one of their installers but there aren't any where I live. They provided me with the updated compass, skew numbers for tuning but I continue to have the above mentioned issue.

[James-x]

well if you put it back where it was it should be almost there when realing dont use switch try geting 91 then work on 82 that what i doo

[smilingjack]

canada sat finding pg.
hxxp://www3.telus.net/rampage/skew.htm

Using the Dish Pointing Menu Screen
The satellite receiver has an on-screen menu feature for obtaining the
precise dish pointing coordinates for your location. You can use the
buttons on the front panel of the receiver to navigate through the
menu system, or you can use the remote control. If you have not
already inserted batteries into the remote, you can do that now.
Directions for using on-screen menus can be found in your receiver
manual.
When you’ve obtained the coordinates, record the elevation and
azimuth numbers below.
Elevation ______________ Azimuth ________________
Elevation is the up/down angle
that the dish is pointed
Azimuth is side to side direction
that the dish is pointed
Setting the Elevation on the Dish
After you have securely attached the reflector to the support arm, you
need to set the dish to point up toward the satellite. This is called
“setting the elevation.”
1.Loosen the two elevation nuts so the support sleeve can r otate.
2.Rotate the support sleeve so that the elevation indicator lines up
with the tick mark corresponding to the elevation setting you
recorded earlier.
3.T ighten both nuts.
IMPORTANT
Make sure that you use the
elevation indicator and not
the nut to line up the
elevation. If your elevation is
not correctly set, you won’t
be able to obtain a signal.
Mounting the Mast
Now that you have selected your site, and estimated
your cable needs, you need to select a mounting option
and mount the mast.
Take a moment to look through the available options
and select the one that best suits your installation site.
After you have selected a mounting option, and
successfully mounted the mast, you can go on to the
final section of this manual to complete the installation.
Final Installation
This section contains the final steps necessary to get
the signal from the satellite dish to your satellite
receiver.
28 Final Installation
CAUTION
Leveling the Mast
Leveling the mast is one of the most important steps in installation.
If the mast is not level, the elevation and azimuth settings will not be
accurate. This will make it difficult to obtain the satellite signal.
The mast must be level in both the side-to-side and the front-to-back
directions. Side-to-side leveling determines whether the mounting foot
is level. Front-to-back leveling determines whether the mast is level.
Leveling Side-to-Side
1. If you mounted the mast on a vertical surface, such as a wall, you
leveled the mast side-to-side when you mounted the mast foot.
Skip to “Leveling Front-to-Back” on the next page.
2.T o check whether the mast is level side-to-side, place a bubble
level on the mast as shown in the figure below.
3.Is the bubble center ed in the level’ s window?
If YES — Continue to “Leveling Front-to-Back”.
If NO —
a) If the bubble is not centered, determine which side of the
mounting foot needs to be raised.
b) Unscrew the lag or machine screws from that side of the
mounting foot.
c) Place washers between the mounting foot and the mounting
surface. Use enough washers to level the mounting foot.
d) Secure the mounting foot with the lag or machine screws.
Leveling the Mast
Level Not Level
Step 2: Verify that the mast is level
side-to-side.
Step 3: If the mast is not level, add
washers to level the foot.
Final Installation 29
Leveling Front-to-Back
1.Loosen the two bolts securing the mast to the mounting foot so
the mast moves freely.
2.Place a bubble level on the mast as shown in the figur e. Move the
mast so the bubble is centered in the level’s window.
Rotate mast as needed
Adjustment
Level Not Level
Rotate mast as needed
Adjustment
Level Not Level
3.T ighten the two bolts securing the mast to the mounting foot.
2.Find the length of RG-6 coaxial cable with messenger (gr ound)
wire that will extend from the satellite dish to the cable’s point of
entry into the building.
If your total RG-6 coaxial cable length from the dish to the receiver
is more than 112 feet, you may need an additional installation
component, such as a line amplifier, to compensate for the longer
cable length.
Final Dish Assembly
1.Place the dish-LNB arm assembly on top of the mast (or pole).
Final Dish Assembly
Step 2: Verify that the mast is level front-to-back.
Step 1: Place the dish assembly
on the mast or pole
Loosen the mast clamp and lower
reflector onto the mast. Tighten the
clamp screws.
Sony Step 1:
30 Final Installation
Hex head bolt
Wire
Star washer
Nut
3.Separate the messenger (gr ound) wir e fr om the coaxial cable.
Separate only the amount required to install the coaxial cable
through the LNB arm. (Sony dish owners skip to next step.) Push
only the coaxial cable through the bottom of the mast and out the
top. Pull about 2 feet of cable out of the top. Loop the cable and
push it through the LNB support arm as shown below.
4.Place some silicone gr ease on the LNB connector and connect the
end of the coaxial cable to the LNB. (Sony dish owners: clip the
coaxial cable to the LNB arm and skip to step 8.)
RG-6 Coaxial
Cable
Messenger (Ground) Wire
5.Insert the end of the LNB into the end of the LNB support arm
(push any extra coaxial cable back through the support arm).
6.Locate the special hex r etainer nut and insert it into the LNB
mounting hole on top of the LNB support arm.
7.Locate the phillips head scr ew and insert it into the LNB mounting
hole from the bottom of the LNB support arm. Tighten the screw
with a screwdriver
8.Locate the gr ounding har dware (bolt, star washer and nut).
9.Inser t the bolt as shown below and attach the messenger (gr ound)
wire to the foot of the mast (you may want to trim the extra
messenger wire before attaching). You will connect the other end
of that wire to the grounding block at the building entry point.
Step 3: Route the cable
through the mast.
Step 4: Connect the coaxial cable
to the LNB.
Tip
If you have a dual-output
LNB, and are planning to
connect your dish to two
separate receivers, you
should route both cables at
this time.
Tip
The hex retainer nut must
be inserted into the top of
LNB before the phillips head
screw is inserted into the
bottom of the LNB.
Otherwise it is very difficult
to thread the screw to the
nut.
Note
When using a pole mount,
you need to attach
the grounding wire to the
metal pole using a 1 1/2”
grounding clamp.
Steps 5-7: Secure the LNB to support. Step 9: Attach the messenger (ground)
wire to the mast foot with the nut,
star washer and bolt.


Acquiring and Fine Tuning the Signal
Now that you have installed the satellite antenna and routed all of the
cable, it’s time to acquire and fine tune the signal. Before you begin,
you may want to go outside and double-check the azimuth and
elevation settings on the dish.
• Make sure that the elevation indicator (the edge of metal, not the
washer or the bolt) is aligned to the correct elevation.
• Use a compass to verify that the azimuth setting on the dish
is correct.
When you are confident that the settings are correct, bring up the
“Dish Pointing” menu again and use the signal meter to see if you are
getting a signal. Once you have acquired the signal, you’ll want to
make some fine-tuning adjustment to the dish in order to obtain the
highest possible signal.
Refer to your receiver manual for dish pointing information.
If you are not receiving a signal, you need to incrementally adjust the
azimuth setting on the dish. After you receive a signal, you will want
to continue to adjust the azimuth to try to get the best possible signal.
Maximum Signal
Strength
While the maximum signal
strength is 100, the signal
strength you achieve will
probably be less. Although
there is no difference in
picture quality between a
signal strength of 60 and
85, the higher the signal,
the less likely you are to
experience signal outages
during adverse weather.
Tip
You can adjust your TV’s
volume to hear the signal
meter from the dish
location, or you may want a
friend to watch the signal
meter and relay the
strength to you.
36 Final Installation
Acquiring and Fine Tuning the Signal
Adjusting the Azimuth and Elevation Settings
1.Using a compass, r otate the dish so that the LNB arm points to
the correct azimuth heading. Loosen the support sleeve nuts
as needed. (Sony dish owners loosen the mast clamp screws.)
ROTATE RIGHT
One tick mark
HANDS OFF ROTATE LEFT
One tick mark
Support
Sleeve
Nuts
Support
Sleeve
Nuts
Point LNB arm in the exact
azimuth direction according
to your compass
2.If you do not hear a continuous tone fr om the signal meter , use
the following procedure to adjust the dish until you hear one
continuous tone:
• At the top of the mast is a piece of tape
with evenly spaced tick marks. Carefully
rotate the dish one tick mark to the right
and pause for 3-5 seconds.
• If you do not hear a continuous tone, rotate
the dish back to the original position and
then one tick mark to the left and pause for
3-5 seconds.
• Continue rotating the dish one tick mark at a time further
right and left from center (making sure to pause for 3-5
seconds at each position) until you hear the continuous
tone, and the highest signal meter reading.
4.After you get a signal, continue adjusting the azimuth by
rotating the dish in small increments left and right until you
achieve the highest possible strength.
5.T ighten the support sleeve nuts so the dish won’ t r otate left
and right.
Line edge of bracket
up with tick marks
Final Installation 37
TILT UP
One tick mark
Elevation nut
HANDS OFF TILT DOWN
One tick mark
Elevation
Adjustment
When setting the elevation,
be sure to line up the
elevation setting with the
elevation indicator and not
the bolt.
20
30
40
50
60
6.Slightly loosen the elevation nuts on the LNB support arm so you
can adjust the dish up and down.
7.Adjust the elevation of the dish upwar d and downwar d until you
achieve the highest possible signal strength:
• Move the dish upward one tick mark, pause for 5
seconds, and check the signal strength.
• Move the dish downward (back to the original elevation
setting) and then move down one tick mark, pause for
five seconds, and check the signal strength.
Use the edge of the
metal here to line up the
elevation
Do not use this
to line up the
elevation
8.When you achieved what you believe to be the highest signal
strength (peak signal), tighten the elevation nuts on the
support arm.
Troubleshooting
Can’t Pick Up the Satellite Signal
Most problems with signal acquisition can be traced to one of these points: improper cabling
and connections or inaccurate positioning and pointing of the dish.
Cabling and Connections Problems
1.Make sure you’re using the proper type of RG-6 coaxial cable to connect the LNB to the grounding
block and the grounding block to the satellite receiver. Standard Cable TV coaxial cables (RG-59)
will NOT pass the satellite signals properly. Important: Do NOT connect the RG-6 cable from
the dish or grounding block to any existing TV cable in your house. Do not use conventional TV
splitters. They will not pass the satellite signals.
2.Make sure the access car d is fully inser ted into the access car d slot.
3.Check all cable connections to make sur e they ar e secur ely fastened to the pr oper connectors,
from the TV, to the satellite receiver, all the way out to the dish LNB. Make sure the coaxial
cable connector center conductor is not bent or broken.
4.Make sure the cable fr om the dish to the r eceiver is connected to the SA TELLITE IN jack on the
back of the receiver (NOT the ANTENNA IN jack).
Dish Positioning and Pointing Problems
1.V erify that you ar e using the corr ect azimuth and elevation for your city by using the dish
pointing menu.
2.Make sure the dish is physically set to the correct elevation according to the dish pointing menu.
• Make sure the dish mast is level.
• Make sure the elevation indicator (edge of metal, NOT the washer or the bolt) is aligned to
the correct elevation.
3.Use a compass to verify that the LNB suppor t arm is pointed towar d the cor rect azimuth
reading (number) as indicated by the dish pointing menu. Nearby metal objects may cause a
compass to give an inaccurate reading.
4.Make sure ther e ar e no obstructions (tr ees, buildings, windows, your body or hands, etc. ) that
might be blocking the satellite signal.
5.Slowly rotate the dish left or right (one tick mark at a time) pausing at each for until the on-screen signal meter produces one continuous tone.
6.If you can’ t acquir e a sig nal by rotating the dish left and right, readjust the elevation of the dish.
• Return the LNB support arm to the original azimuth (left-to-right compass direction).
• Loosen the elevation nuts on the LNB support arm and position the dish upward or
downward (one tick mark at a time). When finished, retighten the nut.

[Crazy1_79]

do what james said, if switch is not internal just use one lnb to sat and get that locked in max signal. have skew set to whatever bell tells you you need it too. then hoook up switch and run checkswitch. all will be well. unless problem lies in signal loss due to terrain

[normsbro]

i take it that your using 2 dual legacy lnb's..right. if so cover the lnb for the 82 sat, and set your elevation (up/down), and dial in the 91 sat (don't forget to make sure that the ird is set for the 91 signal) once you get a very strong signal on tp 11 or 13 ??? lock down your azimuth(east/west). now set your ird for the 82 sat, uncover the 82 lnb and adjust your skew(clockwise/counterclockwise) (like a steering wheel) till you find your best 82 signal then tighten it up. then do a check switch. i should have mentioned first that finding signals may be easier if you don't have any switches between the lnb's and the ird and do 1 sat at a time, but it's a little more work. if you lost your sub programming try this after you got both sat's, tune to ch 198 then go to your signal stength screen go to the 91 sat and then go to tp 22 then 23 and do a check switch wait 10 to 30 mins and your channels should have come back. hope this helps

[millenium2ko]

Thanks for the information -
I followed all this and still a no go. After waisting many hours and much frustration I picked up the phone and I was finally able to locate someone that can come out to my town and set it up. I have a feeling relocation is needed.

Your suggestions are greatly appreciated - I am sure success would be in my hands if I had the time and patience for it. I had it tuned once...oh well.

[Crazy1_79]

LOL, don't give up man! LOL, relocation could very well be a issue. I have moved mine three times in 4 years because of the three growth in my southern hemishpere, my bev 91 is just barely getting by, I am surprised I have not had to move it.