This looks very bad

[mannybeef]

losing faith in emulation mill ? lol

[mili]

I believe in diversification :)

mili

[Dragster]

I will trade a 102 for a vip spot at rom 10X,Thanks Mili.

[90rn10v3r]

I will trade a 102 for a vip spot at rom 10X,Thanks Mili. I wouldn't.

[mili]

Shaggs will trade you a dildo for one.

mili

[seaboard18]

The provider is setting up for a major ecm that will kill cams once he gets rid of FTA and cemu. The provider will just use a different map inside the timer at will as fix's come out. It looks like they setting up for loop in a week. They don't need AR enabled now either to pull this off, so cards will be done for either way.

The provider has never before did this kind of thing for both D!ish and B*V at the same time. They are sure this will work and I am sorry to be the one to give you this bad news.

FTA and Emulators have no chance to survive and neither do real cams for very long. I hope that I am wrong but I think not. Good Luck.

[curiousgeorge]

The provider is setting up for a major ecm that will kill cams once he gets rid of FTA and cemu. The provider will just use a different map inside the timer at will as fix's come out. It looks like they setting up for loop in a week. They don't need AR enabled now either to pull this off, so cards will be done for either way.

The provider has never before did this kind of thing for both D!ish and B*V at the same time. They are sure this will work and I am sorry to be the one to give you this bad news.

FTA and Emulators have no chance to survive and neither do real cams for very long. I hope that I am wrong but I think not. Good Luck.


I hope you are wrong too!

[seaboard18]

I hope you are wrong too!

Even if we figure out the pattern that is used internally in deriving the prime then perhaps the cycles used can be emulated. However, the provider has the ability now to change to a different map inside the timer pretty much as needed. Every few hours if he decides to do it that frequently. Once the key is changed, thats it for the fix. No one will bother after a few days of this to fix it again. So cams are a big target and becomes his prime objective once everything else is done.

The key to this is he did it for both providers at the very same time. The provider is in a winning position now, so don't say that you have not been warned.

Actually, if Mili will buy your extra cams, sell them, this is a good time to unload them before they become ice scrapers.


This is all the proof you need that this is a map timing issue... and can be changed at will. Everything you see below gave you a picture a few hours ago until the last update was sent by the provider and activated around 3:45 today. He can do that as frequently as he decides now. OH, you say blockers will save you... I think not.



Call process $9f/$B1
Processing $9F:
dump: n=96/0x0060
0080: 42 DE 20 C4 80 52 25 E1 00 01 13 80 00 00 17 83
0090: 77 88 9F 09 10 65 10 97 B1 CD 7C 16 93 D3 9B 04
00A0: 81 8B 6E 5A 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Processing $B1:
dump: n=96/0x0060
0080: 42 DE 20 C4 80 52 25 E1 00 01 13 80 00 00 17 83
0090: 77 88 B1 CD 7C 16 93 D3 9B 04 81 8B 6E 5A 15 00
00A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
+++ EEPROM Update +++
# Bytes : 0x04
Address : $93D3
Data : 8B6E5A15
--
Thu Nov 29 01:47:16 No need to update Provider 0106 Key 96:
A3635E485B98D93C8BABD5E7515D7D84
Thu Nov 29 01:47:16 The Active Key is Key 86

[DssMindfreak]

Even if we figure out the pattern that is used internally in deriving the prime then perhaps the cycles used can be emulated. However, the provider has the ability now to change to a different map inside the timer pretty much as needed. Every few hours if he decides to do it that frequently. Once the key is changed, thats it for the fix. No one will bother after a few days of this to fix it again. So cams are a big target and becomes his prime objective once everything else is done.

The key to this is he did it for both providers at the very same time. The provider is in a winning position now, so don't say that you have not been warned.



or annoying weekly FTA updates:rolleyes::D

[mannybeef]

seaboard, is there a but in any of this ? lol

[eric keri]

So I guess DTV will be coming back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I HOPE

[M.E.]

seaboard, is there a but in any of this ? lol

Not sure about a but. I do see lots of crap in it.
Timer divider is now 8 instead of 4.

As a last resort we could always give the cams to the stream. I just don't see the doom and gloom yet.

[joesnuffy]

Mili always said they would kill FTAs I guess he was right just didn't know they would kill everything. Holy Cow.

Joe

[JT]

Historically the providers do not hit us as hard as they can. Let's hope that trend continues. Do not discount anything seaboard posted. I believe that is the bottom line. We will see if Charlie and Bev take it that far. .....now cross your fingers and toes......

[hammer2002]

Damn, and I just sent Mili a couple hundred for a few Atmegas. Boy, my timing always seems to be just a bit off. Oh well. Such is life.

Hammer

[mannybeef]

yea well i have only had my arm for 1 month 160.00

= i lose

lmao

[wheelr]

will save us

[playme1979]

oh dear the sky is falling again lmao

[erratic]

sent an email to you mili.

[mili]

Looks like its game over! The 4 bytes they are timing for Map0x4E seem to be completely random - i.e. the execution time for Map0x4E varies based on the input data. To find a solution to this requires full knowledge of the MAP source code AND access to the modular arithmetic processor so every step can be accurately timed. Not easy and would take a long time to do, assuming it can be done at all. And, Nagra might just change the dynamic code next week any way. Thats why they did both Dish/Bev ECMs together this week, they expect everyone to stay down.

What does this mean? Full force attack on ROM102 and 103 hacked cards once they are certain that no emulator is coming back. I am forced to retract my insults regarding their halfass efforts using halwit coders. Things will be lean for a while boys.

mili

[asolerca]

I am not technically inclined but will this also affect all FTA receivers?

[tinhorse7911]

I am not technically inclined but will this also affect all FTA receivers?
It was targeted for the FTA's
Does Viewsat Really have the full map calls, time will tell???

[mannybeef]

whatever fixes do come out we better cherish them .lol

[peter548]

What is working for PPVs, international channels at this moment? Is ROM102 up or down for ppvs, int. channels?

[Ohms]

People "in the know" have confirmed to me that what Seaboard has posted above is true.
See Mili's post here. http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74344

[doeling]

Is blockerless the only thing that would work right now and possibly in the future?

[mili]

Emulators: card not present systems. That includes all FTA (except cardslotted ones where you insert a real ROM102 as AUX), all Atmegas, all Enigmas all St19 (excpet wiht an AUX card) and CEMU emulators EVERYTHING where you don't see a ROM102 or 103 card present in the system. You need to read tinhors just cause they got the full MAP call table telling them when the algos are that does not mean they got the dissassembly of those codes and even if they had that they still have no access to the modular arithmetic processor. I'd love to see a fix because that'd mean the USBAtmegas256s and the Enigmas will come back and I can sell them but this does not look good. For now it is only the premium channels but maybe tonight they will spread it onto all regular channels as well. I guess history repeats itself. The same thing happened with DTV. I predict wide spread loop attacks and then hashing galore. The only safe system will be emulation with an AUX-ed ROM102 or 103 card. Get your emus today, there will be a rush on them.

mili

[Jerryo]

:D Maybe the FTA units that Koreans & Chinese are selling should come with build into the main board cloned rom 102 and rom 206 to make things very interesting. Or sell as an option of an add on board cloned rom 102 & rom 206 to make them future bullet proof. I am sure they will make a lot of money on those units. This is just an idea.

[peter548]

Milli, I have a spare Rom102 rev.10B. Vaild ATR but unknown provider ID. Are you interested buying it.

[peter548]

Does anybody have a working rom102 bin file?

[illi]

Viewsat has a fix out already so i think there is hope? is there going to b more fix for other receivers? let me know thanks!

[cejarret]

Mili, What is an Emu?

[pecker88]

Mili, What is an Emu?

why don't you try reading the thread b4 hitting the reply button??

[cejarret]

why don't you try reading the thread b4 hitting the reply button??

And how does this answer my question?

[enigmaman]

Viewsat has a fix out already so i think there is hope? is there going to b more fix for other receivers? let me know thanks!


Where is this fix at the only thing I see is the old one with no ppv?

[Twostep]

EMU is 'Emulation', in our case 'simulation', such as an Atmega, Enigma, Armulator, etc simulating an actual Rom102 card (to the receiver)

CEMU is computer-aided emulation...to simplify the explanation, the Rom102 card is isolated from the receiver - the computer functions as a buffer - and therefore isn't subject to loop ecm's and other provider nasties. CEMU isn't a cure-all. It goes down and needs 'fixes' just like everything else, and is somewhat cumbersome to set up. But it's a very safe way to test and historically has been quite stable.

[cojones]

BOGUS FILES FOR FTA ARE OUT SO WATCH OUT!:eek:

[mr. ringo]

is the sky falling for sure this time?

[verbal]

Im a lil confused on this issue will the plastic rom 102 or 103 be down or will they still be up. and it was mainly ment for FTA users and FTA doesnt use and plastic its all staright forward. Im sry just a lil confused.

[mili]

Surely looks so and if there is no ROM102 card present it is an Emulation wether it is built ontop the board or not. People get your heads around this complicated explanation:
ROM10x present is GOOD
no ROM102 present is BAAD.

mili

[empulse]

goddamn. I have never hoped for you to be more wrong Mili.

[Crow 492]

I dont see any bin files out to fix this right now??? Like mili said Coolsat's you have a chance as you did it before with the rom cards in your units.

[brjak]

DN fully open on Nfusion Nova.....iks....

[Twostep]

I see there's several PPV/Premium patches floating around but if you indiscriminately apply them in conjunction with autorolling public blockers on your 102's, you just might be thrown for a loop in the near future. Pun intended.

Tread lightly, do LOTS of reading so you'll understand what's going on and how it applies to you, and prepare your defense accordingly. If you're using some type of emulator board or FTA receiver you have little to lose but you may be in for a rough ride, since these platforms are specifically what the providers are targeting. If you're running plastic, I'd get rid of any and all autorolling public freeware blockers, sniff around and see if you can establish a pipeline to a really good private blocker...and leave those PPV patches the hell out of your bin. If you must, patch the bin, watch your movie and then remove it. A hassle but it might just save your card....

...and consider a CEMU setup. A much smaller target and safe, too.

[McLovin]

Mili, What is an Emu?

detailed decription of emu:

hXXp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu

[mili]

IKS is key (card) sharing over the INternet. Basically there is a rom102 card somewhere that decrypts the video then those control words are shared over the internet in real time to receivers tht are capable of connecting to the key server. NOT an emulator either.

mili

[Crow 492]

DN fully open on Nfusion Nova.....iks.... Prove it and post it in milis FTA section. As I said there is no fix out from any of the FTA coders do to this ECM so just chill.

[sunnybono]

Viewsat has a fix out already so i think there is hope? is there going to b more fix for other receivers? let me know thanks!

Where the hell did you get that idea from. I was just on thier site and there is no fix yet. Like mili said, this one is a bad one!!!! the only FTA box actually working is Nfusion right now. They claim to have a temp fix with IKS (don't know what that is) but the new bin should be out shortly!!!!

sk

[DrRa]

Crow nfusion is up. What do you want to prove?

[beer bubbler]

Where the hell did you get that idea from. I was just on thier site and there is no fix yet. Like mili said, this one is a bad one!!!! the only FTA box actually working is Nfusion right now. They claim to have a temp fix with IKS (don't know what that is) but the new bin should be out shortly!!!!

sk i always wanted to visit their site . do you have their website address ? [ not live link please . thanks. [ gives me something to do , on those dark days . [ i meant vs site , of course ]

[Crow 492]

Where the hell did you get that idea from. I was just on thier site and there is no fix yet. Like mili said, this one is a bad one!!!! the only FTA box actually working is Nfusion right now. They claim to have a temp fix with IKS (don't know what that is) but the new bin should be out shortly!!!!

sk

I got info on this so called Nfusion fix. Its called card sharing witch means you got to plug your receiver to the internet in order to watch TV. This is not a full fix by far.

[Mc Sunny]

Nfusion is up but with iks !!

[Crow 492]

Crow nfusion is up. What do you want to prove? Your receiver is allso plug in to the internet right??

[Crow 492]

Nfusion is up but with iks !! My point thanks MC Sunny I thought I was going crazzy haha.

[brjak]

Prove it and post it in milis FTA section. As I said there is no fix out from any of the FTA coders do to this ECM so just chill.

Prove what, I could give 2 shits what you believe.

I just try to provide some info.

I'm watching PPV as I type. You want proof got to the Nfusion site

NO LIVE LINKS

there's your proof Mr. know it all.

[brjak]

If you read the end of my first post you would see ...iks...

[signalsnatcher3]

Damn, times like these are why I love my plastic. lol
:)

Later

[Mc Sunny]

My point thanks MC Sunny I thought I was going crazzy haha.

np bro :D

[Crow 492]

Prove what, I could give 2 shits what you believe.

I just try to provide some info.

I'm watching PPV as I type. You want proof got to the Nfusion site



there's your proof Mr. know it all.
Man mili is right some of you FTA peaple are DUM!. To a coder this is not a full hack you are using a surver to get the missing information to get your TV witch means you need the internet pluged to the FTA box. The rest that dont have either a card slot or internet conections are f**ck till full EMU gets added to new bin's. As mili said its not going to be easy.

Card sharing or Internet card sharing is not a full hack to a FTA coder but injoy your Nfushion.

[brjak]

i could care less. Im a admitted free tv'er..im only interested in testing when it works....

Yes I do enjoy the Nfusion...because its working...how its working I could care less.

[onejee]

will there be a bin file for panast 2700 comeing out soon

[Bandit5906]

I thought there were no live links?

[Crow 492]

I thought there were no live links?;);)

And NO for the pansat stay in the FTA section for that info.:cool:

[Crow 492]

by the way they can track your IP address's using the nfusion iks i would be very cautious using that. NOT GOOD.. but hey its working

I was going to say that too but he knows more than me:rolleyes:

[rg6a]

People "in the know" have confirmed to me that what Seaboard has posted above is true.
See Mili's post here. http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74344

Oh geez, getting 'DAVED & without even a kiss again' not good. :-(


PS sounds like AUX is the only hope and even then could be our old
nemesis, the equiv. of a 745 everyday.

[mili]

Before you try to drum up support for IKS tell people what is involved:
A person you know and trust has a ROM102 card hooked up and is connected to the Internet. He can then serve a limited number of users with the control words his ROM102 produces. It is not like you buy a fucking FTA receiver take it home and plug it in and voila you got porn. If the guy sharing the keys gets busted so do you. This is far from a perfect solution and it is still cheaper and easier if you get a real ROM102 with a commercial blocker which is easy to use and a read Dishnet receiver.
Get this FTA geeks NO FUCKING FTA STAND ALONE RECEIVER IS WORKING. Now wait for your fixes which maybe a long time coming.

mili

[Crow 492]

Before you try to drum up support for IKS tell people what is involved:
A person you know and trust has a ROM102 card hooked up and is connected to the Internet. He can then serve a limited number of users with the control words his ROM102 produces. It is not like you buy a fucking FTA receiver take it home and plug it in and voila you got porn. If the guy sharing the keys gets busted so do you. This is far from a perfect solution and it is still cheaper and easier if you get a real ROM102 with a commercial blocker which is easy to use and a read Dishnet receiver.
Get this FTA geeks NO FUCKING FTA STAND ALONE RECEIVER IS WORKING. Now wait for your fixes which maybe a long time coming.

mili

Right or enjoy your real free to air like me LOL

thanks mili I hope they get the idea now about card sharing over the internet.

[DrRa]

nfusion has a card reader but no bin is implemented yet.

[joesnuffy]

Lets see watch tv with a fta while plugging it up to the internet? Duh! Huh!not a good idea I would rather pay for the service than get busted for being stupid. Even if your using a wifi antenna like myself and pullling off someone I have never even met thats like 4 football fields from my place still not a good idea. Some of the folks around here that got busted by dave buying stuff online with credit cards can tell you 3500 bucks per violation up to like 100k if you got some stuff in your house. If you used a credit card to purchase your so called device makes it even easier but if you didn't they still can get yah. Now on top of that your hooking up to what could be a sting they know you purchased it and now they can show you using it for illegal access. The irs can audit any company and request to see sells and where items were shipped to even if the company is overseas records can be obtained by money or just changing laws like they did in Canada. The best thing to do is to get a rom102 and go with real emu or just wait for a real fix if your using any fta device not a internet limp along fix.

Just some ideas,
Joe

[hotslot]

mili,
some of us have been riding your coat tails for years. any chance we'll see the long rumored dtv hack? if not, in your opinion will plastic based emulation stand the test, or be the last to go? one more thing, seaboard, i've been reading your posts for years, learned alot from you, always found you to be right on the money, thanks for the wisdom.

[The Lizard King]

Something bad must've happened tonight:

116 members and 651 guests

We don't get those type of numbers on "normal" evenings.

TLK :cool:

[A-Team]

Something bad must've happened tonight:

116 members and 651 guests

We don't get those type of numbers on "normal" evenings.

TLK :cool:Yea they all just dropped by to say hello.:rolleyes:

[whitestuff]

well it is the "this looks very bad" thread

[Bandit5906]

A couple of other sites have exceded their bandwidth! 923 current users here now. No one watching The NFL?

[sdeens]

FYI:

I know most of the testers here do NOT test BEV..and in that arena ST19 and CEMU both have failed to keep up with BEV's dynamic 9F morph strategy implemented 2 moths ago and its been a major hassle for over 2 months now since rev248 streamed, they unitl recently only affect NFLST channles, now its PPV and porn.

Perky Aux will need updating....especially for BEV (since its not be relased yet for that Provider.

Is there yet a rom102 Perky Aux image at rev248 for BEV?


looks like this means ONLY AUX'd setups with weekly changing ST19's and perhaps core patches is going to be essential..and even that may NOT be practical if Charlie is as a gressive as BEV has been these last two months protec ting its NFLST channels.


the guys who have been testing NFLST have been down this road now for over 2 months...now that Charliue is doing it as well, we will see some postive results...

the coders have deliberatlye ignored BEV and do NOT care about NFLST channels...but now they have no choice because Charlie is doing it...NFLST is unimportant to them...but take away porno PPV and HBO and that will shake things loose.

BIG MISTAKE BY BEV!

they should have insited that Chjarlie wait until after the NFL season is over in 5 weeks, becasiue the solution to our Charliue problem will also probbaly now fix the video on NFLST..this was a tactical error on Charlie's part and BEV will pay for this error..becauser now a fix for NFLST will be mandatory for ALL channels to work.

now would be a smart time to put pressure on the coders to release an Atmel 2313 f;ash for our Charlie unlocker/loaders to emulate the simple functions of an ISO compliant programmer to read/write a rom102...

the old Loader-to Charlie programmer flash was for rom2/3''s and now needs updating for rom102 if we want to use them in a AUX'd setup...otherwsie you will need to buy a $25 cheapo ISO programmer if you want to emulate in the future.

is there work being done on a new Atmel 2313 ISO conversion flash for rom102 support in AUXd situations..?

[spanga]

"Even if your using a wifi antenna like myself and pullling off someone I have never even met thats like 4 football fields from my place still not a good idea. "



and why is that?...beyond the obvious disrupting his life JJs threaten to take his house away.....haven't you essentially proxied?.....honest question


.........at the end of the day, i think i'll be happier running an unloopable aux plastic in a coolsat or whatever than running plastic in an OEM waiting to get looped.........does look like plug and play time is over ....is using an avr to protect cam in regular receiver still viable.?....it was at one point with n2

[MIKEHAWKISLARGE]

It is unreal how many people fight and bash when tv goes down at least on this site it seems to be good for laughs you mention something on another site and even coders have attitudes. TiME FOR SOME PEOPLE to get rid of the palm a lot twins and get the real thing!!!!!!!!

[old school]

Something bad must've happened tonight:

116 members and 651 guests

We don't get those type of numbers on "normal" evenings.

TLK :cool:

Yes, they changed keys right after the Cowboys Packers game started. Had to scramble to get back up.

[hammer2002]

yea well i have only had my arm for 1 month 160.00

= i lose

lmao

I look at it this way. I've been testing for over 6 years now = I win
I will not sub to Charlie, rather Verizon FIOS if it is truely Game Over.
Charlie will never get a dime outta me!

Hammer

[bud02]

Never know maybe an opportunity for some D!sh employee to make a little extra Christmas money.

[DssMindfreak]

Surely looks so and if there is no ROM102 card present it is an Emulation wether it is built ontop the board or not. People get your heads around this complicated explanation:
ROM10x present is GOOD
no ROM102 present is BAAD.

mili

and hears where an enigma with 102 ( like old magic 1 did with nagra 1) would be nice , time to tell enigma peeps to get to work on Married sub type option ( which I belive was touted as a possibility when these were first released) I know it worked great with the MC & rom 10:D

[DssMindfreak]

by the way they can track your IP address's using the nfusion iks i would be very cautious using that. NOT GOOD.. but hey its working

Nice advice unfortantly that last sentce will trump security with the " My tv went black, helppppp!!!" FTA Crowd:rolleyes:

[mili]

If you want to know what I think about this is that there will be no emulator fix forthcoming. If there will be it will first come from an FTA coder. With Viewsat being sued and I think Pansat too I think they'd not want the exrta scrutiny should they come out with a fix they did with last year's MAP57 fix which was clearly stolen from ST themselves. Emuating around this bitch will be very very very hard. If I had no TV and wanted one I'd subscribe at this point. Yes Charlie you are welcome, now kiss my ass.
Short of that get a rom102 or 103 card and an emulator setup which is optional and either apply a blocker with good reputation like ROmcode which was never looped before (of course there is always a first time for everything) or set up an ST19 emulator system where you use a rom card that is enslaved (AUX-ed) in an ISO programmer and thus out of harm's way. I will take time to write a good how to on that subject. So in short get your hads on a real dishnet receiver like the 4700 or a DP301-010 or -013 and don't wait for an FTA fix. If it comes out it comes out you got a bood backup system but if God forbid it does not then you beat the rush of the 2 million FTA lemmeings and got a ROM102 while it was not only affordable but available.
If you want to wait for the imminent DTV hack by any means wait a bit longer, after all it has only been like 4 years since it was rumored to be released on the weekend.

mili

[gallo55]

all this doom and gloom jesus.. I just wrote the new keys to my rom 10 and it still works.

Remember when they said the rom 10 was gone forever and they couldn't do the 102's something will work to much money in this shit for it to go under..

what would snags do then he can't play with a diddledo all day

[mili]

Yes there maybe a fix but it will take some time to work it out. This one is one difficult ECM to code around. People buy a book and spend the weekend reading.

mili

[Bandit5906]

That's what they said about DTV, but...

Now you are saying you are watching DN with your ROM10?

[gallo55]

yup rom 10 it has been up for about 3 months dn and bev no porn or ppv but it still works

[gallo55]

Your right on the book Mili but I usually just download the tv shows or movies i want to watch and burn it to dvd. I don't really know why i screw with this stuff except for the fun of it. if it goes i will miss the fun.

[Bandit5906]

I better take down the ones I was using for Christmas decorations on the wreath on the front door then!

[dakotapod]

So in short get your hands on a real dishnet receiver like the 4700 or a DP301-010 or -013 and don't wait for an FTA fix. If it comes out it comes out you got a bood backup system

mili
Absolutely!

Went that way awhile back, and glad I did. From time to time I dig out what’s working and off I go - IE: Rom card up 100% now and rolling private. Maybe dig out the FTA in two months... Then back to card… The circle of life :)

[duffybno1]

no one knows if fta / emu will be back up, but my guess is they will.
this is all speculation_i understand the map calls are real but if they
can do it someone can undo it. big money will prevail and fta is big
money. unless you are a genious coder then you are just playing guessing games.

[MIKEHAWKISLARGE]

Before you try to drum up support for IKS tell people what is involved:
A person you know and trust has a ROM102 card hooked up and is connected to the Internet. He can then serve a limited number of users with the control words his ROM102 produces. It is not like you buy a fucking FTA receiver take it home and plug it in and voila you got porn. If the guy sharing the keys gets busted so do you. This is far from a perfect solution and it is still cheaper and easier if you get a real ROM102 with a commercial blocker which is easy to use and a read Dishnet receiver.
Get this FTA geeks NO FUCKING FTA STAND ALONE RECEIVER IS WORKING. Now wait for your fixes which maybe a long time coming.

mili

Hey Mili i mentioned the auxed method on another site and a coder said it had nothing to do with using a rom102 for map functions but since Nfusion is doing that over the net i believe the st19 and auxcard method can't be much different.
We just need a new st19 right? Some people even coders seem to fly off the handle way to easy.

[sledmanjones]

yup rom 10 it has been up for about 3 months dn and bev no porn or ppv but it still works

So you are getting all channels but ppv and porn?LIke 211 for example....of B*V....as of this morning?What script are you running?

[empulse]

Suggested light reading for the weekend:

AVR Programming for dummies
C+ / C#
Programming for Micro Controllers
Read some EMU Schematics (or just buy one from Mili)

Suggested activities:

Now is a good time to make up for the 11 months you sat on PC this year, and talk to your wife. Maybe even give her cheek a lil' slap with that thing you profess to be a c*ck.

Pet Dog.

Pet Cat.

Call Comcast an see what specials they are running.

[Tom2004]

Suggested light reading for the weekend:

AVR Programming for dummies
C+ / C#
Programming for Micro Controllers
Read some EMU Schematics (or just buy one from Mili)

Suggested activities:

Now is a good time to make up for the 11 months you sat on PC this year, and talk to your wife. Maybe even give her cheek a lil' slap with that thing you profess to be a c*ck.

Pet Dog.

Pet Cat.

Call Comcast an see what specials they are running.



Thanks for the belly laugh, well done, if I could just add one line and that being:


Call Rogers Cable and ask what discount package deals they have this festive season for Internet, Home Phone and Digital Cable - Join society ...

Call Gieco Insurance ferret for reduced car insurance rates thus paying for the higher expense on Rogers Cable bill

[JT]

all this doom and gloom jesus.. I just wrote the new keys to my rom 10 and it still works.

Remember when they said the rom 10 was gone forever and they couldn't do the 102's something will work to much money in this shit for it to go under..

what would snags do then he can't play with a diddledo all day

Your not getting anything with that rom10 that everything else isn't also getting. Your not getting ppv, porn or premium channels.

[wilmero]

Here is a c/p from Veracity: Progress! The routine is known! Files being compiled! This is good and NOT good. Once providers see how quickly this was figured out, undoubtedly NEW even harder routines will follow, BUT it also will tell on the fact that their maprom & sysrom are known. It may be time for releases to originate at yahoo or someplace other than homesites for these box makers. The heat is def on, and coders have stepped up, but now one has to question the wisdom of releases. Hang tight, it's gonna get interesting for sure. End Quote

[Twostep]

Your not getting anything with that rom10 that everything else isn't also getting. Your not getting ppv, porn or premium channels.
JT, what can I do to make you smile? Will you EVER lighten up ? Should I have Snaggs send you a dildo? Promise you I'll vote for Hillary? :D

Gallo's simply pointing out that doom and gloom projections don't always turn out as serious as first predicted. We've seen FTA killed off about 40 times (sorry Boss, I just had to :)), 10's are ice scrapers and will never process NagraII encryption, Atmegas are done for, Atmegas are done for now that SatVia quit supporting them, Atmegas are done for now that Lexus quit supporting them, yet nearly every DN testing platform that's ever been tested is still working to some extent today.

This may be a nasty-ass hash but I'll bet you a steak that it'll be fixed. Probably not in time for the Friday Night Fights but sometime. You do eat steak, right? ;)

[dakotapod]

....

everything else isn't also getting. Your not getting ppv, porn or premium channels.

I'm getting everything with my private on 102. Porn, PPV, prem, etc. 100%

Keys also rolled without hicup. 101/106 - Not missing anything here

[At this moment, anyway :) – Tomorrow’s another day... ]

[cave_man]

Here is a c/p from Veracity: Progress! The routine is known! Files being compiled! This is good and NOT good. Once providers see how quickly this was figured out, undoubtedly NEW even harder routines will follow, BUT it also will tell on the fact that their maprom & sysrom are known. It may be time for releases to originate at yahoo or someplace other than homesites for these box makers. The heat is def on, and coders have stepped up, but now one has to question the wisdom of releases. Hang tight, it's gonna get interesting for sure. End Quote

i bet itll be whensday before its released :cool: (sorry its one of them bad inside jokes)

btw. nice to see you around wilmero

[sdeens]

NFLST is the key to this whole event...its a perfect example of what is occuring now with Charlie..and ST19 did offer some fixes for NFLST..albeit only 3 of the 11 week schedule was "fixed" in time for kickoffs..but "fixes" nevertheless...they just were slow and few testers cared about NFLST...thus PGM was NOT concerned about it...he doesn't even test BEV (and cares little about sports)..yet he provided routine fixes for their 9F morph strategy...that is exactly what he told me!

His occupation is directly tied to the security of micro-controllers and similar devices--his job is to create security for these forms of electronics...he is in effect far more experienced than even the top employees of Signal Integrity at Charlie and BEV..he has a non-discloure agreement with DirecTV and has agreed not to support the emulation of the P4 card...so he is the master of the 9F morph strategy..this is NOT something new to him..is was fully anticipated...and he has fixed it on BEV in the last 11 weeks when they implemented this dynamic strategy of an "on-the-fly" 9F.

ST19 is as close to NATIVE emulation as theorectically possible,,,this gives it major advantages over FTA and plastic...and that along with a true AUX'd rom102 card at rev10c and rev248 will be the solution and it will released much faster than MILI is telling you guys.

MILI you need to chill out on the doom and gloom....You panic way too much...I have read many threads from you over the years and you always push the panic button too fast..this makes no sense since this ECM is nothing new IMHO.


this is what we will need:

1. Perky Aux will need updating to rev10c and also REV248 for BEV (is there a BEV release yet?)

2. Atmel2313 native ISO emulation flash to convert Unlocker/Loaders into true ISO compliant card readers...the old Charlie flash will not read/write in an AUX'd situation a rom102 (its 5 years old now and was for rom2/3's in its day)...is there a flash yet for 2313 to convert our loaders?

3. ST19 will need a new major update...and it will need to address the newer problem with the 5volt pin1 [RESET] issue, since v2.6.05 is way too buggy and that version is unuseable for most emulation setups...the RESET issue is serious and it means that v2.6.045 is seriuoulsy flawed...

4. ST19 needs to be OPEN SOURCE since PGM will be faced with weekly pressure to update it...he has never reelased code publically, but this time he needs to since its going to be too dynamic and too much trouble for him on a weekly basis...NFLST on BEV has taught him this lesson over the last 11 weeks...we need to convince him to release it to OPEN SOURCE so the entire communtiy can work on weekly fixes.

PGM is aware of ALL of this BTW...the next fix should also fix NFLST now on BEV since Charlkie is doing the same thing with 9F's...the next fix will "kill two birds with one stone"

[mcarthur70]

im glad dish is doing this to you lazy chicken shit fta'ers myself ... want it free and no problems ... us plastic testers try to get on here just to see what key changes are and you lazy sobs use up all the bandwidth to see if a fix is out ... put your pussy way of tv in the trash and do it the real way like the others here ... go dish knock the shit out of the chicken shit ftas ... i hope they knock them out for good !!!! my 2 cents

[badger6]

im glad dish is doing this to you lazy chicken shit fta'ers myself ... want it free and no problems ... us plastic testers try to get on here just to see what key changes are and you lazy sobs use up all the bandwidth to see if a fix is out ... put your pussy way of tv in the trash and do it the real way like the others here ... go dish knock the shit out of the chicken shit ftas ... i hope they knock them out for good !!!! my 2 cents

Why don't you tell us how you really feel. And have you thought about the fact that when they "knock them out for good", that they might knock everything else out in the process !!! Get a grip dude.

[zephead]

Why are you resorting to childish school yard tactics? You're just sore because if they EVER knock out fta then plastic will surely follow. Do you really think if there wasn't any fta that the providers would leave plastic alone? I highly doubt it. Dave shot down his cards before bev/dish fta was an option. I don't understand the animosity towards fta users. Sure it's easier and in most cases much more convenient than testing plastic. But so what. So by you and others posting ridiculous comments and attacks really irritates me . I come to this site, not to download a fix, but to read and become informed because of the mods of this site and the people that contribute valuable information for television viewing.
It's a free country and everyone can pick and choose what, when and how they watch tv, whether legal or not. See you at recess by the swings!
Thank you.:mad:

[mcarthur70]

:D you and every other fta 'er are the reason dish has stepped up there efforts .. was around when you had to use freetalk and other old school programs and dish didnt mess around with us ... fta'ers bring around a hole new game .. dumb sses with free tv .. you think there going to let that go .. at least with plastic there is chances of messing up your card and they know that ... but with every trailer park trash useing a fta ... there not going to let that go on for ever ... so i hope they knock your ass the fuck out !!! and if everything goes out ..... well its been a great ride so be it ..... FTA'ERS =A WASTE OF THIS SITES BANDWIDTH ..MY 2 CENTS

[mili]

Behave.

mili

[Sea bass]

im glad dish is doing this to you lazy chicken shit fta'ers myself ... want it free and no problems ... us plastic testers try to get on here just to see what key changes are and you lazy sobs use up all the bandwidth to see if a fix is out ... put your pussy way of tv in the trash and do it the real way like the others here ... go dish knock the shit out of the chicken shit ftas ... i hope they knock them out for good !!!! my 2 cents

You are no better than ftaers..just because you write someone elses code to your card makes you no better than someone loading a bin file...

[badger6]

my 2 cents the sky is falling is another round of bullshit, it is possible but ill bet that ribeye it wont be down over a week for plastic till 206 is implemented..fta was made to die everyone knows that, and atmegas what you cryin cuss you paid 30 buks 5 years ago and there finally dying, come on folks get a ird and aplastic cam, relax watch tv..
DVD...

Are you actually saying that my atmega might stop working:eek: !!!

Shit, it may be time to dig out all those 102s that I been saving for a rainy day:D !!!

[Bandit5906]

Are you actually saying that my atmega might stop working:eek: !!!

Shit, it may be time to dig out all those 102s that I been saving for a rainy day:D !!!


OMG: That was your stash? Sorry, Bro!

I have a stack of SO cards if you can use them?

[simon1]

You are no better than ftaers..just because you write someone elses code to your card makes you no better than someone loading a bin file...

that shows how much you know
i bet you would make some good icescrapers
most ftaers cant even program a card lmfao

[Dragster]

All these devices will be all working again,they always come back to life,some way,some how.I really don't think fta units can be shut down for good,they have been trying for the last year.Why can't they do it,only way is to do the swap plain and simple,i wonder if a full 206 dump would work with the current fta units.Just think if they were to release a S01 hack,would it force a full swap.Questions that were on my mind that's all.:cool:

[Lucian_rider]

I swing both ways by using a Dreambox and a Dish 508 and like them both, then I got myself a 50" Plasma and went looking for HD programming. And guess what? There is no way of getting HD using a hacked dishnet receiver at least in the public domain, so what's a guy like me to do?

By a Sonic View 8000 with 8PSK card and I am now hooked! I haven't even looked at the 508 receiver since I setup the SV8K a couple of weeks ago. Am I a FTA stooge now? I guess I am but until I can stick one of my ROM 103 cards into a Dish HD reciever with PVR function I for one seriously hope that FTA pulls through!

Just as an aside I last programed my ROM 102 card with a private bin about three weeks ago and it just keeps on rolling. I have loaded new bins in the SV8K about four times in the past week and a half and still some channels are black but the Dish reciever has everything open...

[Twostep]

There is no way of getting HD using a hacked dishnet receiver at least in the public domain

The hell you say ??? :eek:

[gooding]

NOW i have seen it all .. another loop .. yeah if not protecting properly

Common ..protect cams can be done .. wanna be safe .. NO auto roll and manuall keys

wanna test as hard core guys do .. auto roll . I will .. OK so there going to loop EVERY 102 cam .. and 103 cam..-102-I cams --103-Icams

legit ones too subs .. cost them a fortune in lost revenue and replacement IRDs and cams .. // eh

Just my opinion.. Keep us posted seaboard .. friend :)

worried just sub .. then no lost TV ..lol :D

[satnutzz]

The hell you say ??? :eek:


lmao-I was thinkin the same thing!

[mili]

Looks like Fab5 pulled it off. USB Atmega 256 cards are going to be up with this release. Stand by for the file. Read my other news page posts.
I guess the sharks with the laser microscope came through?

mili

[Grizz49]

http://www.sir-ray.com/Mammoth.gif

[rg6a]

I was going to say that too but he knows more than me:rolleyes:

One could go through a proxy server to attempt to hide but that really slows things down to the point where it won't work. The other problem with this work-around is your ISP. They do monitor bandwidth useage and if it becomes excessive will throttle you right down to dial up speed.

They quickly found out how much money the P2P using bandwidth hogs were costing them. You can call or check your ISP's site to see how much bandwidth subscribers are given monthly.

On account of the above, card sharing isn't what I'd term a full time fix. ;-)

(unless you can do it @ 56k and even that number is not real, ~4.6k @ best!)

[Lucian_rider]

They do monitor bandwidth useage and if it becomes excessive will throttle you right down to dial up speed.

Key sharing uses very little bandwidth, I was key sharing with a Dreambox for those two months or so when everything but cards were down. The main problem is internet traffic which can slow down the speed at which the keys are requested and then retrieved by the client machine. When it was bad the picture would freeze for a few seconds, this was via an overseas connection so is a bit extreme. People using the same ISP normally don't see any slow down at all.

[fubr]

and we are talking FTA cardsharing in this thread why? (which is not a problem)

This is not the first time Fab5 has came through with a fix first. No he is not always first but has ben ahead a few times.
If I remember correctly the last time he came out first it was a really hard ecm to counter also.

[DrSagan]

The hell you say ??? :eek:


lmfao ;)

[Crow 492]

Spasestar The First And Only FTA With Full EMU Bin File

I will post it in the FTA downlaod section here at dssmili. Please stay in the FTA section for any more update on other bin releases. I will have a list up in the Curent Testing Status page.

The rest should fallow soon I allso have reports that Viewsat has picture and are dusting there bins allso but not yet released.Official Testing Status & Information Board. (http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71614)

[Crow 492]

Its here http://bellexpress.vu/forum/local_links.php?catid=76#linkid1472

[stas101]

:D you and every other fta 'er are the reason dish has stepped up there efforts .. was around when you had to use freetalk and other old school programs and dish didnt mess around with us ... fta'ers bring around a hole new game .. dumb sses with free tv .. you think there going to let that go .. at least with plastic there is chances of messing up your card and they know that ... but with every trailer park trash useing a fta ... there not going to let that go on for ever ... so i hope they knock your ass the fuck out !!! and if everything goes out ..... well its been a great ride so be it ..... FTA'ERS =A WASTE OF THIS SITES BANDWIDTH ..MY 2 CENTS
Wow...man...that was sweeeeet....fta'ers surely brought this hobby to a different level...I must agree, if it was not for fta we would unlikely have so much heat being brought on us...

[fubr]

Spasestar The First And Only FTA With Full EMU Bin File

I will post it in the FTA downlaod section here at dssmili. Please stay in the FTA section for any more update on other bin releases. I will have a list up in the Curent Testing Status page.

The rest should fallow soon I allso have reports that Viewsat has picture and are dusting there bins allso but not yet released.


Thanks man,,,,, I swear sometimes when I sit in the dark wishing all fta and fta users would die I think of my buddy the crow and realize I dont want them all to die :)


the rest of you do like the man says and post FTA stuf in the FTA sections of this fine forum :)

[gooding]

I though this was the doom and gloom thread .. lol..

kinda off off that or what .. Hello Fubr --hehe--

when is this kill cam suppost to happen .. lmao

and what about Real subs.. if a cam mirrors a real sub what can happen ..I ask

I think it will cause a lot of loops to real subs cost lost revenue to dish and bell .. No comment on this ..eh // :cool:

FTA was target this time In my opinion .. for what that is worth --hehe--

[Crow 492]

Thanks man,,,,, I swear sometimes when I sit in the dark wishing all fta and fta users would die I think of my buddy the crow and realize I dont want them all to die :)


the rest of you do like the man says and post FTA stuf in the FTA sections of this fine forum :)

Thanks Furb no problem:)

[gooding]

I will ask again how will thi s timming issue effect Real subs .. seems the post dissapered

start looping all 102 / 103 cams I bet they loose real subs ..cost Providers a lot of revenue ..eh .. ?? :)

[badger6]

I will ask again how will thi s timming issue effect Real subs .. seems the post dissapered

start looping all 102 / 103 cams I bet they loose real subs ..cost Providers a lot of revenue ..eh .. ?? :)

Probably like all their other inept ecms. They'll have to pull it from the stream when the call center hits the overload limit:D

[Crow 492]

I will ask again how will thi s timming issue effect Real subs .. seems the post dissapered

start looping all 102 / 103 cams I bet they loose real subs ..cost Providers a lot of revenue ..eh .. ?? :)

Sorry gooding my bad I got triger happy missed read it the first time:confused:

[gooding]

Sorry gooding my bad I got triger happy missed read it the first time:confused:

No pro Crow 492..lol..

just curiosity .. Is killing me ..lol .. I would like to here more about this full out loop attack on all 102 /103 cams ..

whoo One wrong move some sub peeps would be pissed ..

Thats the multi million dollar Question ..:)

[crazyfish12]

The more complex the ecm , the more chance that subscriber cards will be affected, this does not mean that the subs will loop , just that video may freeze or slow channle changes. Could you imagine the complaints from either ?

As for everything being down at once , this is not so . There has been some private code that has accepted all these updates and rolled fine , and still allow access to the rom102.........although its not going to be publicly shared unless someone becomes careless or a full card swap is near its end , in which case it wont matter.

Looks like the fab5 might have some access to the full maprom.......lol

or at least some of it ...of course not seing there code its hard to tell as it could be that the just hardcoded it to the 256, which is possible , but wont last long.

Time will tell.....as always!


PS: fubr, gooding, good to see you guys are still kicking...hehehehe

[stas101]

December 12 is cooooming LOL.....let's see what Chuck has for us....he has been persistent with his two looping attacks.....exactly 6 months....

[realest]

c/p from you know where:

Fixes released for Sonicview for d/n and B3V,. Viewsat file is completed and set to be released shortly. Stay tuned for links to files shortly!

Edit:

It's official, SV just release the fix, just waiting for the VS.

[gallo55]

c/p from you know where:

Fixes released for Sonicview for d/n and B3V,. Viewsat file is completed and set to be released shortly. Stay tuned for links to files shortly!

Edit:

It's official, SV just release the fix, just waiting for the VS.



c/p from you know where: By you know who.. lol lol lol

asumes everybody knows everybody

[Crow 492]

c/p from you know where:

Fixes released for Sonicview for d/n and B3V,. Viewsat file is completed and set to be released shortly. Stay tuned for links to files shortly!

Edit:

It's official, SV just release the fix, just waiting for the VS.



c/p from you know where: By you know who.. lol lol lol

asumes everybody knows everybody

Keep these disscutions in the FTA section and yes they will all come up with fix's.

[realest]

Sorry bud, it was intended for ppl who knows where VS and SV sources are.:p

c/p from you know where:

Fixes released for Sonicview for d/n and B3V,. Viewsat file is completed and set to be released shortly. Stay tuned for links to files shortly!

Edit:

It's official, SV just release the fix, just waiting for the VS.



c/p from you know where: By you know who.. lol lol lol

asumes everybody knows everybody

[ruciz]

I will ask again how will thi s timming issue effect Real subs .. seems the post dissapered

start looping all 102 / 103 cams I bet they loose real subs ..cost Providers a lot of revenue ..eh .. ?? :)

They make more revenue from investors if their system is secure. Which is better, losing 10k subs, or 2 million hacked boxes?

They don't lose money looping cards, looping iCams on the other hand can be costly. Loop the card, the sub gets a month free subscription and an overnight delivery of a nice new ROM206 or equivilant.

Provider has nothing to lose if everyone has already took all their worth.

[DrSagan]

They're not going to hurt any subs

[satnutzz]

It's kinda funny............all the threads about fixes,up or down---
ARE they gonna do this every time chuck flips the switch on the new map timer thingy?
I guess folks can't read what was posted at the start of this thread....

[DrSagan]

It's kinda funny............all the threads about fixes,up or down---
ARE they gonna do this every time chuck flips the switch on the new map timer thingy?
I guess folks can't read what was posted at the start of this thread....

Until these devices or software can fully emulate the map, opcode ticks, corresponding timers, etc. They will go down at the providers will. ;)