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C&P from Card-coders
Providers are now timing Map3E!!!
Anyone see the pattern here?
Fab5
and this sounds fun
I just wanted to say that stand-alone solutions for the USBAtmega256 will be forthcoming as soon as they are available.
In addition, I am working on "another" solution that will keep up us up 24/7, regardless of all the stream changes. The USBAtmega256 will be a part of this solution.
So don't give up.
Fab5
any news or software release I will post here to keep you all in the loop.
I think we got more of his customers here he should come more and tell us stuff. :)
Na really he needs to keep busy on his software.
Looks like this will be fun.
Bandit5906
12-15-2007, 04:39 AM
I'm all ears? Wonder about his solution: what is he thinking?
ruciz
12-15-2007, 04:40 AM
Fab5, your card will be the new ROM102 if you make your breakthrough. I will order 5 and I don't even own an IRD.
pecker88
12-15-2007, 04:49 AM
wow, IP keysharing...hopefully the new system comes with a free pass to pay off the feds when they knock on your door!!!!!
MarvinGardens
12-15-2007, 08:50 AM
IKS piped directly to your home receiver from a central server is sheer lunacy.
Charlie will now have your digital fingerprint as evidence to slam dunk you in court.
I dont know what all he is talking about, He mentions it at C-C.
There was maybe still is a thread about making a live web page with a real time data logger using the uSb-256-A.
Maybe he is talking that this is what it wil come to eventually.
He cant keep on updating it as fast as charlie winks it.
It is getting to be a pretty hot thread http://www.card-coders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1572
I would like him to spend more time on a fix then a debate :)
It is a good device and the support has been great as of late.
It already has made it place in testing history, lets see now if it becomes legend haha
rad56
12-15-2007, 03:30 PM
is atmega 256 still up mine went down 12/14/07
yes on the basic set up, so No PPV, porn or HBO, SHO ( channel 300-353) basically.
But the regular channels are up.
brjak
12-15-2007, 04:26 PM
IKS piped directly to your home receiver from a central server is sheer lunacy.
Charlie will now have your digital fingerprint as evidence to slam dunk you in court.
Thats the assumption people make, that don't know anything about it...you assume the server is in US, Charlie can access it, There are no proxies being used, no redirect servers being used etc.
Now i know I will get flamed, but its a lot safer than most think...not 100% nothing is...
MarvinGardens
12-15-2007, 05:22 PM
It does not matter where the server is located.
Once Charlie easily gets the IP address of the server he will file actions against every U.S. internet provider known to man to have the address blocked to their customers.
Secondly he will get those internet providers to give him a list of their customers that have connected to the IKS server. That is the digital fingerprint.
Look how easy it was for the music industry to go after Napster and Limewire type offenders.
What if the IKS is hosted on a server with many other domains? What if customers use proxies to get the keys? What if traffic between the IRD and the server is encrypted? What if the server changes every month? Just thinking there might be a way to do this safely. Current IKS systems make no attempt to hide the traffic nor the nature of content of the IKS server. Rectify that and you are in the free.
mili
MarvinGardens
12-15-2007, 06:42 PM
Good points Mili however I doubt that an IRD can handle the time delay it takes for the IKS packet to thread through proxies.
An open wireless router may be a defense to the first of Charlie's letters (your neighbor and not you connected to the server). However if after you receive a demand letter and your internet provider says that you still connect to the server.....
It would also be very bad it you continue to follow the new address. You know that Charlie will also follow the address and continually inform the internet providers to block it.
Encrypting the data would serve no protection so long as the source of the data is known and what it function is.
Ben Aroundsome
12-15-2007, 06:45 PM
mili __________________
Very bad MECM blacking channels out of Dishnet as of Dec 14th. Fixes will take a long time to come out for this one. If you are bored get a book or a racoon. Merry Christmas.
Fix for codespace was out within hours the same day.
Guys. There are ways to secure this traffic. There are ways to obfuscate what and who you are connecting to. Those are facts I assure you.
The question remains, will the creator of this wonder box implement these methods, or will they allow open IKS like the FTA folks do now. This remains to be seen. At this point, speculation as to whether or not it will be a bust waiting to happen is a tad pre-mature. I think we all agree that open IKS is not a good idea.
watchnit
12-15-2007, 07:31 PM
What if the IKS is hosted on a server with many other domains? What if customers use proxies to get the keys? What if traffic between the IRD and the server is encrypted? What if the server changes every month? Just thinking there might be a way to do this safely. Current IKS systems make no attempt to hide the traffic nor the nature of content of the IKS server. Rectify that and you are in the free.
mili
Milli - you got it... what if the IKS was distributed via a bit torrent idea.. peices of it scattered across the internet universe by every bit torrent member... or a skype based distribution using skype super nodes, encrypted tunnelling from skype to skype and right out of the country...
I would say... coders should work on a plugin for skype or bit torrent to secure the IKS solution... sounds better than chasing these stream switches...
MarvinGardens
12-15-2007, 07:40 PM
Your idea is similar to DFSS (frequency hopping).
You would stand a better chance of getting a timely packet using proxies than depending on many servers getting you all the pieces on time.
Twostep
12-15-2007, 07:41 PM
Fix for codespace was out within hours the same day.
Emulator fixes, Ben. :) Codespace, RomCode, etc. are for plastic, much easier to contend with, which is good news if that's what you're running.
watchnit
12-15-2007, 07:52 PM
Your idea is similar to DFSS (frequency hopping).
You would stand a better chance of getting a timely packet using proxies than depending on many servers getting you all the pieces on time.
Agreed that bit torrent is like that... and latency is a concern in that solution...
however the skype is not the same... it is a point to point connection and encrypted... and can change from time to time suing different users in the skype domain... it also supports the concept of plugins for drawing, video, etc... so the mechanism is there for developers... as an added bonus it does voice today fairly good, so latency is acceptable for IKS...
think on this.....
secure? hmm, that is doable ofcourse.
Ird fast enough.....well yeah it already does it now.
Latency/bandwidth???? a few encrpyted bytes of data every few minutes it would take millions to bog a server...
You have spyware on your system that uses more bandwidth than IKS would?
people been talking this shit awhile and when FTA did we all thought they was crazy. Maybe they are
think on this.....
secure? hmm, that is doable ofcourse.
Ird fast enough.....well yeah it already does it now.
Latency/bandwidth???? a few encrpyted bytes of data every few minutes it would take millions to bog a server...
You have spyware on your system that uses more bandwidth than IKS would?
people been talking this shit awhile and when FTA did we all thought they was crazy. Maybe they are
All the ISPs have software to monitor excess P2P bandwidth hogs and will ratchet you right down once your monthly limit has been exceeded. Call and complain and they'll tell you straight up, solution......get a Business Account if you need that amount of bandwidth and of course double the price.
So for another $45/mthly, total waste of money using IKS (never mind the finger print)!
That (my comments) & $1.07 will get you a half decent cup of coffee....somewhere.
Bandit5906
12-16-2007, 12:45 AM
The price is $1.55 now with your discount!
woods
12-16-2007, 01:27 AM
The price is $1.55 now with your discount!
3.07 if its a grande latte
not if they are set up like that from the getgo.
things have changed, we live in a viop era, bandwidth is not looked at like it once was, Look at you tube, companies with all day long video conferences and live meetings.
TV via the internet.
I am telling you a 24/7 server set up to give how amny ever people the upd to date real time IKS's will not be a problem nor expensive.
pecker88
12-16-2007, 02:11 AM
Referring to this thred:
http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74790
Here is a quote expressing concern about being tracked by charlie when a blocker is downloaded and written to cam:
"So your saying that you have to go online to program your card? Did I read that right? That sounds like a really trackable way to do business."
Here is another:
"Be sure your logging on with a proxy server."
And another:
"Selling this stuff from the US and Canada is not too smart a thing to do. Ask Tomico and the countless busted others. Time and again people forget that. I am not trying to scare you away from this blocker simply trying to ensure you don't leave no traces behind."
End quotes:
Now their is enthusiasm being expressed for an IKS solution, that connects the emu device to a server??
Compared to downloading a blocker and writting to cam, how the hell can this IKS solution be less risky??
Just looking for consistancy or truth, thats all.
eveled
12-16-2007, 03:03 AM
1.60 at McDonald's.
Referring to this thred:
http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74790
Here is a quote expressing concern about being tracked by charlie when a blocker is downloaded and written to cam:
"So your saying that you have to go online to program your card? Did I read that right? That sounds like a really trackable way to do business."
Here is another:
"Be sure your logging on with a proxy server."
And another:
"Selling this stuff from the US and Canada is not too smart a thing to do. Ask Tomico and the countless busted others. Time and again people forget that. I am not trying to scare you away from this blocker simply trying to ensure you don't leave no traces behind."
End quotes:
Now their is enthusiasm being expressed for an IKS solution, that connects the emu device to a server??
Compared to downloading a blocker and writting to cam, how the hell can this IKS solution be less risky??
Just looking for consistancy or truth, thats all.
Those quotes are from mili and me. Don't blame fubr for them. I'm always Captain paranoid, so you have to take my suspicions with a grain or two of salt. I'm not at all comfortable with an IKS type solution, but I'll probably go that route if there is no other option.
maxheadroom
12-16-2007, 05:08 AM
Canada is going to be safe again since there was a report that RCMP is no longer going to go after the end user for these types of things to protect some big vendor like BEV or even foreign vendor like Charlie.
maxheadroom
12-16-2007, 12:29 PM
just read on cc that fab5 did it once again. he fixed the latest attack. there is still lots of freezing to release the fix but he will be working on it tonight. So I suspect by tommorow we should be up and running. This dude has some dedication.
no fix yet at time of this post. , It is still early :)
ModDish
12-16-2007, 05:27 PM
All the ISPs have software to monitor excess P2P bandwidth hogs and will ratchet you right down once your monthly limit has been exceeded. Call and complain and they'll tell you straight up, solution......get a Business Account if you need that amount of bandwidth and of course double the price.
So for another $45/mthly, total waste of money using IKS (never mind the finger print)!
That (my comments) & $1.07 will get you a half decent cup of coffee....somewhere.
lol there not suggesting running nasa. a iks would use less bandwidth a month than loading this site .... , after you load all the images and stuff. 5 or 6 times
bandwidth wouldn't be a limitation at all. , were only taking a few bytes/min ( i would guess around 3bpm
1048576/bytes per 1/mb and/or 34952 minutes per 1/mb
24/7 a month would work out to be about 8mb of bandwith per month.
to load this website once = Total Size:305973 bytes
can you imagine what you use watching a few crap vids at youtube lol
thats the technicals of it...as for the safty, i really wouldn't say one way or another...thats up to each user to decide....all depends on the setup. a bittorrent/voip route would not work thoe, because of the way packets are handeled.
right
not if they are set up like that from the getgo.
things have changed, we live in a viop era, bandwidth is not looked at like it once was, Look at you tube, companies with all day long video conferences and live meetings.
TV via the internet.
I am telling you a 24/7 server set up to give how amny ever people the upd to date real time IKS's will not be a problem nor expensive.
MarvinGardens
12-16-2007, 07:09 PM
Just looking for consistancy or truth, thats all.
Watch out for yourself. "Truth" changes in the face of desperation and money.
It would work and it would be completely secure. Details later, you will love them. These guys know what they are doing. Bandwidth requirements are negligable and you got a 4 second ceiling to get the requested keys from the server, a life time as far as the internet goes. Don't forget they can't tighten this down because real cards sometimes misscalculate the control words and have to do it again. Even with a bad proxy you are looking at 1.5 seconds round trip.
mili
Wiley-X
12-17-2007, 01:21 AM
I think this talk of Internet Key Sharing is very conservative. I am in the telecommunications field and I assure you that there is practically no such thing as secure. Especially when law enforcement is involved.
Microsoft and other leading companies routinely provide law enforcement entities "back door" access into supposedly secure transmissions. And as far as proxy and "ghost skips" go, a trace can be performed through 10 proxies by a determined network administrator (I would hate to see what the Feds could do!!!). New wiretapping laws (instituted for the 'protection' of Americans) have actually expanded the capabilities of monitoring without a court order or a search warrant. And ALL evidence seized during monitoring is prosecutable. They don't even need to state what they are looking for- as long as the crime is a felony (and this certainly is).
My point? Everything you do on the internet leaves a trace! Period. It would be the least reliable and secure means of pilfering a signal that is possible.
I would rather run a co-ax cable to my neighbors house and jack his ComCast cable.
Watch out for yourself. "Truth" changes in the face of desperation and money.
I aint making a fucking dime off this shit!!
I aint desperate I have not been without in a long fucking time slick!!
accuse me of a lot of shit but to say I am chaniging my feelings and my post content for money you can kiss me ole grits there sport....
watchnit
12-17-2007, 02:26 AM
geez Milli... if you really have 4 seconds... then a bit torrent type of idea is the best... .... the idea of course is that you get part of the data from several hosts.. not any host is responsible for passing the data...
meaning to all the nosey folks watching the transmission... no one peice in itself means anything... its just a couple of bytes...
So - lets say you get one of these boxes and you know where it gets it data... too bad... it gets its data from the same place that all other liegit data is recieved from... hosts... regular hosts that simply transmit data...
so... who put the data on those hosts... well who knows.. those are protected by foriegn laws... because the set of hosts that hold all the data... also hold the data for other stuff too... since they are not dedicated to this hobby... when are they transfering "IKS data" and when are thet transferring "regular data"... nobody knows.. again - each peice of data in itself means NOTHING !
I like it !
Bandit5906
12-17-2007, 02:53 AM
I aint making a fucking dime off this shit!!
I aint desperate I have not been without in a long fucking time slick!!
accuse me of a lot of shit but to say I am chaniging my feelings and my post content for money you can kiss me ole grits there sport....
But what do you really think?
Bandit I try to warn members of unsafe shit, I try to tell the risk, I would never a user/member get in trouble cause I told them things was ok. People ask me all the time can I vouche for people working on ther shit, All I can do is tell em what I think if it is good and if it is not good I usually dont say anything.
I dont see how pinging a server requesting a few bytes is any different than loging on here and reading about how a persaon can ping a server and request a few bytes.
No diferent than downloading a file....you EVER downloaded any files then they have all they need if they want to persue. owning files is just as much intent as echoing a server for keys.
Bandit5906
12-17-2007, 03:20 AM
fubar, I was making a joke I thought. When have you even known me to be serious with you. I respect you, your opinion and ability.
Merry Christmas
alsouthster
12-17-2007, 03:34 AM
lol what are grits anyway? like a pancake or like porridge?
Bandit5906
12-17-2007, 03:42 AM
Terrible tasting, even with butter. It is popular south of the Mason/Dixon!
SuperManny
12-17-2007, 04:02 AM
lol what are grits anyway? like a pancake or like porridge?I can't believe someone with 'south' in their name is asking what grits are! lol
watchnit
12-17-2007, 04:30 AM
hey thats it...
you do IKS using regular forums with a special post number that have ascii encoded bytes in them ... like this one... for instance and - it tells you what the next post is... - not only that... you use different forums and get the same answers - in case one is down...
code is:
whaaet doees this meaaan anywayssss...
there you go...
0x45487A3A... anyone get it ?
MarvinGardens
12-17-2007, 04:50 AM
I aint making a fucking dime off this shit!!
I aint desperate I have not been without in a long fucking time slick!!
accuse me of a lot of shit but to say I am chaniging my feelings and my post content for money you can kiss me ole grits there sport....
Look friend-o, if I wanted my post to be personally directed at you there would have been absolutely no doubt about that in my reply. I would have come right at you face to face.
My advice to him was to take a step back and don't get desperate for a new fix by letting down his guard. Secondly, he should question the source of any advice he gets on this because that advice may come from someone who has a personal conflict.
Twostep
12-17-2007, 05:36 AM
lol what are grits anyway? like a pancake or like porridge?
Neither. Try ASS. :D
Lots of people would sign up for SOIP service anyway, risks or not. I personally think risks can be minimized but not 100 percent eliminated. Doesn't matter. DN sends you a demand letter for 3500 bucks, or 5000 bucks, whatever - if you get caught stealing their signal. You do some P2P music filesharing and the RIAA brings the wrath of God down upon you to the tune of 150K PER SONG, and there isn't a person on this site who hasn't downloaded songs illegally, not to mention all those who have used bit torrents, rapidshare, etc. to download movies, a really big no-no that will put you UNDER the jail if you're busted.
Look at all the folks who ordered pirate hardware from U.S. dealers. Look at all the folks who continue to use PayPal to purchase pirate software and hardware. High risk doesn't even break their stride.
There'll be no shortage of people flocking to this service, should it indeed hit the market in working form. Hopefully the risk of being stung will be miniscule. But if there are folks dumb enough to JTAG a subbed receiver, then send it to Dishnet for repair - and there are - getting 'em to sign up for this deal will be a no-brainer.
skinerd
12-17-2007, 05:44 AM
if there are folks dumb enough to JTAG a subbed receiver, then send it to Dishnet for repair -
But I was only making an archive back-up, I swear....:)
If you pay by PayPal PERIOD;
If you buy from a Canadian or USA dealer and give them your name and address;
If you download pirated videos and software using P2P and without a proxy;
If you are active and outspoken about satellite hacking and don't use a very good proxy
You are taking about 10-1,000 times the risk of facing prosecution or a demand letter than connecting to a Key Server through a proxy that is safe and offshore.
You can talk all you want how unsafe key sharing is but if you do it the way I will tell you to do it and from where I tell you to get it from your risks will be negligible. If you think I would risk my business and my reputation just to sell a 100 of these new products I am promised a supply of you gotta be fucking crazy. Expect SI hired fear mongers to go into overdrive trying to scare people away. They know that if this technology sees the light of day their assinine ECMs and Card Swaps will accomplish nothing at all. I ran the methods and setup by some smart network security people and they are in agreement with me, this system will work and this system will be safe for the end user. I hope assassins don't show up on my doorstep but even if I am killed others will run with the system. I am but a reseller dumb money grubbing dealer.
mili
smilingjack
12-17-2007, 07:04 AM
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Fab5 has fix for the latest Dish MAP22 timer MECM
(C & P Don't argue with the lord of card-coders, he wrote this )
mannybeef
12-17-2007, 07:10 AM
map 3e
Imars99
12-17-2007, 08:21 AM
Okay, I managed to stabalize the Dish fix using a statistical method. It now works for 30 minutes without a freeze. I will just brute-force the odd minor freeze and we should have interruption free video and quick channel changes too.
I am uploading it later this evening.
Fab5
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