FTA people getting desperate

[mili]

DVB cards and USBAtmega256 cards (http://www.dssftp.com/xcart/product.php?productid=120&cat=0&page=1) are the only two platform that are able to emulate BEV and Dishnet's all channels at the moment. I am not mentioning IKS receivers cause they are not emulating a thing.
So.
FTA coders who obviously lack the skill to overcome this latest timer ECM are looking at DVB programmers to release their source code so they can steal the program and port it to their respective FTA receivers. Until the DBV coders release the source code there will be no FTA fix. This pattern became pretty obvious some time ago. FTA coders waiting for one single dude to crack the ECM then steal the source code and come up with heroic fixes. I guess teh DVB coder(s) had enough of carrying all the fucking FTA community on their shoulders and released jack shit this time. Looks as if FTA coders will have to do it the hard way (working) since the old fashioned way (stealing) does not seem to be working for now.
If you are a BEV user and waiting for a miracle atmega128 or legacy 256 fix you might as well quit. Those cards seem to lack the memroy and speed requirements to overcome these latest timer ECMs. Get yourself a real ROM102 card or a USB Atmega 256.

mili

[fubr]

dont forget the racoon's

[tommyoz]

That's why it's a good idea to test different platforms. I'm up and running on both.

[Silence77]

So this is more than likely why st19lx and other emus are not back up working? correct me if I'm wrong...

[omes]

That must have been what the guy said when he said "Don't put all of your eggs in 1 basket."

I am getting ready to tackle an 811 receiver.

[pecker88]

So this is more than likely why st19lx and other emus are not back up working? correct me if I'm wrong...
don't know what your talking about...

PGM's st19 2.6.09 was released hours after DN latest MECM algo was activated and has been running WIDE OPEN ever since with FAST channel changes and absolutly NO freezing. However, a real aux card must be present.

This is the best setup, you have 2 diff testing platforms, pc emu and when that is down (hardly ever) just program up the rom card.

Edit: forgot to mention, since its first public release over a year ago, I would hypothesize that their has been less than 5 keyroll problems, including the 3 today.

[Wendell980]

i only keep my viewsat around as a backup i use rom102 or st19xl for my 3100's

[pecker88]

I guess teh DVB coder(s) had enough of carrying all the fucking FTA community on their shoulders and released jack shit this time. Looks as if FTA coders will have to do it the hard way (working) since the old fashioned way (stealing) does not seem to be working for now.
mili

I find this absolutly hillarious, hopefully the stb's are down as long as they were with map3b and 57!!! Would enjoy the break from: "where the #$## is the new viewsucks bin" comments that flood the forums!!

[dw7]

the thing i like most about my dvb card right now is even if they change a map call or a timing ecm ( which right now have been overcome on dvb ) which can put it down for a while, it still rolls the keys (both sets ) and lets me update my non-ar 102 cam immediately with a copy and paste

[Satsam]

Milli, Milli, Milli,
You do love to stir the shit , don't you ? :D ....
Many in the know think that a few very good FTA programer groups are close to figuring out the latest attack on this section of the community. Time will tell, but they are going for a longer term fix as opposed to chasing the rabbit every other day.
Also ,others think that the best answer will be what Coolsat did the last time Charles pulled the map57 out of his hat, using the card reader and card to defeat this lastest ECM. I can tell you that folks who did the last plastic fix for Coolsat, are in talks to allow that option again, for those who have the needed equitment to take advanage of it. Will it happen, depends of those who control the purse strings, I guess. Yet, it seems to me this is the perfect marriage of both communities. By using the Aux and an FTA receiver, you get the best Charles has to offer without the dangers he can bring to plastic alone. Without putting the plastic in the stream and alowing Charles to attack it and yet, still being able to use it to get the solutions needed to reach ones goal.....

[kings322]

everybody shouldn't put all of their eggs in one basket. you should have more than one method of testing. Just in case something like this happens. emu with aux is better than anything out there right now. why do you think everybody is scrambling to get open 102 103 cams?

[MAKAVELI1]

DAMM Im surprised I can still log in, but I just wanted to say why do some people hate FTA ,I mean write a bin to a card+blocker=FREE DISH, load a bin to FTA=FREE DISH, we should all be happy, now to all who miss PPVs and PORN there is something call TORRENTS , just do a search for TORRENT and you might even catch a movie before it even hits the theaters. PEACE.

[mili]

Yes they are so close, the only thing eluding them is to get picture. As others said get a parallel system so that you can have your eggs spread.

mili

[gallo55]

Milli I will trade you an FTA for a usb atmega. So you don't have to have all your eggs in the Usb Basket, What do ya think

[johnnyjam]

??? The best solution for FTA is an aux card??? Thats fuckin' hilarious! Like there are several hundred thousand to millions of rom 102/103's out there for every fta box! Yeah right! There are so many 102's out there for these folks that Mili has to advertise to get the few cam's he has in his store.

ROFLMAO!

...clockspeed...

ps... still have those ->7<- rom102's for sale Mili ;) ?

[johnnyjam]

$250 + seems cheap to get one of those $100 boxes working... :) :) :)

[Bushwackers]

ANYONE PRICED EVEN HIGH REV CARDS ON EBAY?
250.00 for a card seems high now wait till loop
fta will be gone forever emu might last a while but if you want
tv. plastic will be nessary. i see cams foing 499.00 in 6 months or less.
my 2 cents...
DVD...


Hell!!!! If i can get $499.00 each for may 102's or 3's I'd be willing to let go of 10 or so hehehehe

I told everyone, stick with plastic...... Hell!!! what do I know, "O" thats right I have wide open TV heheheheheh.


BW

[Satsam]

??? The best solution for FTA is an aux card??? Thats fuckin' hilarious! Like there are several hundred thousand to millions of rom 102/103's out there for every fta box! Yeah right! There are so many 102's out there for these folks that Mili has to advertise to get the few cam's he has in his store.

ROFLMAO!

...clockspeed...

ps... still have those ->7<- rom102's for sale Mili ;) ?

This is what folks like you fail to understand, you think , oh look at me I do plastic, i have to work to watch TV. Those of us who have been around since the old F-card days understand you have to have many options from the free to the paid. So when you learn something new you cover all your bases.
No there is not millions of 102/103's out there to be had, but you and Charles might be surprised at the number of folks who have some stashed away. Not to mention the possiablity of some asian manufacture who may have the ability to clone Charles's own plastic if the market presents itself and they can make enough money doing so.
An you know what is even more hilarious, is when your card is getting zap and rendered an ice scraper after being exposed to the stream, and all the folks you consider idiots marry there cards to there FTA's can still watch TV, because Charles has no fuckin way to get to them....
As far as Milli and the inability to get more cards, ya, think people understand that for the rest of the ride you will have to have one or find a new hobby.

[Bushwackers]

This is what folks like you fail to understand, you think , oh look at me I do plastic, i have to work to watch TV. Those of us who have been around since the old F-card days understand you have to have many options from the free to the paid. So when you learn something new you cover all your bases.
No there is not millions of 102/103's out there to be had, but you and Charles might be surprised at the number of folks who have some stashed away. Not to mention the possiablity of some asian manufacture who may have the ability to clone Charles's own plastic if the market presents itself and they can make enough money doing so.
An you know what is even more hilarious, is when your card is getting zap and rendered an ice scraper after being exposed to the stream, and all the folks you consider idiots marry there cards to there FTA's can still watch TV, because Charles has no fuckin way to get to them....
As far as Milli and the inability to get more cards, ya, think people understand that for the rest of the ride you will have to have one or find a new hobby.

hehhe Well put.

I have fun doing this, and yes I have many options available to me for testing. Hell!!! I'm 99.9% sure I have a few of everything, only way to stay on top of everything. Hey guys, It all comes down to $$$$ thats it thats all, testing, coding or just having fun the way we do cost more then a sub would.

Bottom line, do what you like to, have fun.


BW

[johnnyjam]

This is what folks like you fail to understand, you think , oh look at me I do plastic, i have to work to watch TV. Those of us who have been around since the old F-card days understand you have to have many options from the free to the paid. So when you learn something new you cover all your bases.
No there is not millions of 102/103's out there to be had, but you and Charles might be surprised at the number of folks who have some stashed away. Not to mention the possiablity of some asian manufacture who may have the ability to clone Charles's own plastic if the market presents itself and they can make enough money doing so.
An you know what is even more hilarious, is when your card is getting zap and rendered an ice scraper after being exposed to the stream, and all the folks you consider idiots marry there cards to there FTA's can still watch TV, because Charles has no fuckin way to get to them....
As far as Milli and the inability to get more cards, ya, think people understand that for the rest of the ride you will have to have one or find a new hobby.

Unfortunately for me, I don't own 1 single rom102 or 103. I probably have a few dozen rom 10/11's, a hundred or so rom2-3's, many, many avr 1-2-3-5-6, etc and might have sold you that f-card. I used to 'test' (read steal) vcII, so I have been around for a while. But I can assure you that there are not enough rom102's to feed the fta masses. And btw, in order to manufacture thos chinese cams, you would have to have precise knowledge of the map processor, and if you had that, you wouldn't need the plastic.... I don't bash any 'testing' device, because they are ...ALL... emulators of one sort or another. I use dvb and emu, and my tv is up just as much as plastic. Not that I ever watch the fuckin thing anyway. I don't have any time as I love to come here and participate in the soap opera. When I want technical info, I head over to DVBN, which is the site all of us owe our fixes to, except plastic.

...clockspeed...

[duh1]

i'd like to know what program dw7 is using on his dvb card. if anything is up it's news to me

[Zim]

video cypher .... he!! that goes way back and is still being "tested".....yes it is a hassle but werks ....
covienet ....no! not for me anyways

but in the end I just love trying new things.....for me I am a platic man but DO have fta's, atmegas, even that 1 vcII at a friends......

[kings322]

a rev 389/38b unlocker would be nice. that would put a lot more cams into the mix.

[Hilltopper]

LOL:p

[sundeval]

Same old shit i always read when i come here.....fta is down, their coders are useless, its the end of fta so start buying this and that, blah, blah, blah. I remember hearing all this everytime something happens, last year and so on. I guess if you predict something everytime, youre bound to be right one out of a 100 times. So we're down for a while, so what.....any smart fta'er has a backup sub or something of the sort.

[mili]

Then don't come here dickhead.

mili

[bsinned]

Backup plan, ...........right that would explain the bin/file/ fix begging.I gotta get me one of those what section is that in? Do they have a fix for those right away?could someone point me in the right direction?

[rg6a]

a rev 389/38b unlocker would be nice. that would put a lot more cams into the mix.

Or........how about a crack for the S0x series, that would be nice.

PS anyone monitor the European sites or are they no further ahead either?

[spanga]

Dear Santa.....i'm up on all channels with IKS so you can fly right past my site....if i promise to be good most of next year could you give porn back to my friends.......lol

[sundeval]

Merry Christmas to you as well mili, classy guy you are. I guess you can dish out criticism but cant take it without resorting to childish name calling. I didnt insult the site, i actually find it very informative and helpful with a few exceptions that i mentioned before. Anyways, i wont stoop to your level, have a great holiday.

[DB]

The wait for a fix got longer. There's a new mecm40 update being streamed right now as I type.

[fubr]

they pulled the trigger

[spanga]

what did it do?

[fubr]

made my channels black.. maybe it is just another keyroll. I been autorolling all day. lets go see.

[Dragster]

ANYONE PRICED EVEN HIGH REV CARDS ON EBAY?
250.00 for a card seems high now wait till loop
fta will be gone forever emu might last a while but if you want
tv. plastic will be nessary. i see cams foing 499.00 in 6 months or less.
my 2 cents...
DVD...Just like the old days with the H-card,it could happen if they shutdown fta.

[spanga]

retrospect being 20/20, it does make sense that cramping fta and seeing if they recover is an exercise for them....that much is apparent....somebody is going to dig deep!

[LocoMex]

IF NOT HERE, THEN WEHRE????? Eveywhere I look, I read the same thing. The coders are close, they are getting closer, closer even yet, almost there, soon, be patient, give us time, got it. FTA works. OOPS, FTA is down again. It was up for almost two days with everything. Now, no PPV, premimum, networks, porn, ESPN, or internationals. Dont' worry, there will be an update soon. Got it, a new update. Everything wide open. OOPS, down again. Close to a permanent fix now. Almost there. How many times have you read crap like this???? The problem as I understand, is not the FTA coders, but rather the capabilities of the FTA receiver to effectively deal with the ECM's.

The only thing I think I know from all my reading is the FTA coders are good, but short of a Rom 102 card and an aux setup, your sol for reliable TV viewing with FTA. You know, up the creek without a paddle. One card short of a full deck. Pissing in the wind. Peeps can play the game as long as they want, but in the end, at least for now, plastic is the only reliable alternative. The operative word here is reliable. I haven't touched my plastic in over four months. FTA was (maybe still "is") great for quite a while. But, like Mili said, if you don't like what you're reading here, go elsewhere dickhead.

My two Pansats used to work great. I'm afraid those days are over. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not a FTA hater. I used to use it as my primary TV source. Now, the reliablity is such that it's just not worth it. And, since Mili does run this site, And, since Mili is for the most part in the know most of the time, I concur with his feeling. There are lots and lots of sites out there, and if you don't like what you see here, just go elsewhere dickhead. I have to quit writting and get ready for tonights football game.

I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a great New Year. Best holiday wishes to you all.

[Douglas]

I don't get it?? I asked Milli a question about FTA's,and he told me he does'nt use them,and know's nothing about them. I guess I have to read,and read, and read,............and,after 6 months.I'm more confused than ever!!!! If Milli does'nt know anything about FTA's.Why is there so many forum's on the subject,and as far as I'm concerned,don't teach me anything but confusion!!?? I better hurry up and buy a 256 bourd,and never find out how to use it.........

[HCCAfan]

douglas, crow will be your savior on fta's. follow what that guy says....

[Bandit5906]

Then don't come here dickhead.

mili

mili, tell us what you really think!

[LocoMex]

My comment about Mili was that he seems "to be for the most part in the know". If Mili has said he doesn't know anything about FTA's, I can only assume he is being truthful, and that he is basing his comments about the subject on what he has read or info that has been sent to him by peeps who know a hell of a lot about FTA. His comments may help sales, but I don't think he just pulls things out of the air. Perhaps Mili should clarify the basis of his comment; i.e., such as based on what I have read, etc. Peeps can comment about a subject on which they have no direct knowledge of if it is based on info received from a reliable source. A good example is my post tonight. I used FTAs for a long time, but I really have no idea what makes them tic. I just know they are easy to use and generally when they work, they work. That remains true today. The problem is reliability. As of late, their track record is not very good in the reliabilty department. They simply are not very damn reliable.

I don't have a USB and probably will never get one. If and when plastic finally goes by the wayside, I will simply assume that everything else has already gone the way of plastic. I'd rather wait for a plastic fix than throw good money at a dream. If necessary, I'll fall back and start using one of my two Pansats if they work even a little bit. In short, I could care less whether USB 256 works or not.

For what it is worth, Steeler are ahead in an offensive showcase. So far its been a great game, but I think Pittsburg is going to put them away in the second half. Hope everyone had a good day. Stay safe and be happy. Life is too short to do otherwise.

[garysam]

Sonicview has a fix out for all their models. It seems to work so far, DN and Bev. Nobody else has one yet, though.

[LocoMex]

That's great. I hope it stays up forever as I do with all of FTA boxes. For what it is worth, I was mistaken. I have 3 FTA receivers, one of which is a Sonicview 8000 HD. Long live FTA!!!!!!! But, please become reliable.......I'll stay with plastic for another couple of weeks or so just to see if things continue to work. I would love to get back into HD with my SV. Happy Holidays.

[kromedge]

Dear Santa,

Thank you for knocking down fta. I posted on another site quite some time ago that fta was solely responsible for the relentless ecm's and that plastic would rule the day in the end. I was jeered and heckled at by the fta gang but I knew that in the end I would be watching tv while fta boxes sit on top of televisions hoping for a christmas miracle. I'm not usually one to say "I told ya so" but in this case, I must concur with those words. http://www.card-coders.com/forum/images/smilies/eck19.gif

Merry Christmas!!!

[HCCAfan]

um, u gotta be crazy if u think charlie will give up once fta's and other emu devices are rendered useless. he will still be after plastic users after all the smoke clears.

[spanga]

call it up if you like, but with all these key changes plastic is not a real solid solution as it dares not autoroll for most folks with only one open cam.....they'll be just as happy rolling keys 6 or 7 times a day restricting plastic use to folks that do it themselves thereby wiping out all the the folks that can't and rely on their buddy.......that usb256 is the state of the art now besides IKS....simple like that

[Crow 492]

Dear Santa,

Thank you for knocking down fta. I posted on another site quite some time ago that fta was solely responsible for the relentless ecm's and that plastic would rule the day in the end. I was jeered and heckled at by the fta gang but I knew that in the end I would be watching tv while fta boxes sit on top of televisions hoping for a christmas miracle. I'm not usually one to say "I told ya so" but in this case, I must concur with those words. http://www.card-coders.com/forum/images/smilies/eck19.gif

Merry Christmas!!!
And to reaply's like this I say I'am whatching TV right now with my FTA ku band its not a dore stop LOL. FTA was never receiving DTV what would be your excuse of them being 100% secure.

I dont think any one cares how there FTA box comes back up as long as they have tv like all of you in plastic.

As mili likes to explain FTA will be back up soon so dont worie and dont let plastic peaple get to you one day it will be us up and them down but we are to good to come a site and post BS like this.

Stolen code its all stolen haha LOL you wright your cards with stolen codes every day LMFAO.

As to the post about Sonicview yes they are all up Bev/Dish I will make shure they are here for the FTA members to downlaod and any others I find.

FTA IS NOT DEAD just taking a break for the Holidays FTA Fixes are starting to come out so keep your eyes out in the file section here at milis

[kromedge]

I think I hit a couple of nerves! LMAO:D :D :D

[kromedge]

call it up if you like, but with all these key changes plastic is not a real solid solution as it dares not autoroll for most folks with only one open cam.....they'll be just as happy rolling keys 6 or 7 times a day restricting plastic use to folks that do it themselves thereby wiping out all the the folks that can't and rely on their buddy.......that usb256 is the state of the art now besides IKS....simple like that

Thats somewhat true if you are using public info. Lucky for me thats not the case.

[kromedge]

FTA IS NOT DEAD just taking a break for the Holidays

Well, that would explain why people are dumping these things faster than Enron shares a couple of years ago. :rolleyes:

[greektycoon]

Dear Santa.....i'm up on all channels with IKS so you can fly right past my site....if i promise to be good most of next year could you give porn back to my friends.......lol lmao danger i.k.s your ip is gonna knock on your door one day . ya were warned

[greektycoon]

I'd be very careful with IKS. It's dangerous stuff and not worth the few extra days of uptime IMHO. Having your IP logged like that (plus MAC ID) is quite risky, even if you run How do you know it's not d*sh / b*v themselves who own the server? You're only trusting the word of the coders that it's a located offshore somewhere. Regular FTAs are much safer since TRUE fta is perfectly legal. If D*sh ever sues Nfusion, I bet that's one lawsuit they would easily win and if they ever confiscated the servers, you'd all end up in the slammer, and for what? Having TV for a few more days than the rest of us?

True testers here know to avoid IKS all together. Nfusion is a great STB and it has great coders, no question about it, but if I ever bought one, I would only use standalone bins. Don't forget how some of the DTV guys got busted. Internet card / key sharing is dangerous business and that really crosses the line. I've been in this business for MANY years and advise you to avoid it ... other veterans here will tell you the same. You may be up now but watch your backs.

[Crow 492]

Well, that would explain why people are dumping these things faster than Enron shares a couple of years ago. :rolleyes:


O well not me had it before all this shit so I could care less what peaple like you say.

[spanga]

the safety of IKS has been pounded at endlessly.....at the end of the day the same precautions (and risk) that apply to downloading files from any site can be applied to iks....simple like that.....my precautions are in place and basically bulletproof......i'll add that the technique i use makes getting any kind of reliable intel from isp or mac addresses almost impossible......i mean to say that there is nothing reliable to connect an isp to an end user what with everyone and his duck going in thru unsecured wifi nets (and not just for IKS).....all its going to take is a whack of folks getting letters that don't even have a sat dish and that'll be the end of that

[Crow 492]

IKS works but remember to use Wi Fi and get your internet singnal from some were els other than your home.

[LocoMex]

Regarding Spanga's comment about plastic having to reprogram keys 6 or 7 times a day..... My Rom 102 doesn't require that effort. Key changes are a non-issue. I hope like hell Sonicview stays up because I would really like to enjoy some HD viewing with my SV 8000HD. I honestly don't believe a permanent fix is going to happen, although FTA's have suprised me a hell of a lot of times in the past. So, I have no plans to spend more money on a "dream". Therefore, another FTA or USB 256 is not part of my financial planning. As I said in my original post in this thread, I haven't touched my plastic in at least four months, and that includes the present situation. Suffice it to say there are ways around key changes on plastic. One good way was disscussed on this website about a month or so ago. My plastic just keeps "rolling" right along. Long live FTA and Plastic. Happy Holidays to everyone.

[greektycoon]

Regarding Spanga's comment about plastic having to reprogram keys 6 or 7 times a day..... My Rom 102 doesn't require that effort. Key changes are a non-issue. I hope like hell Sonicview stays up because I would really like to enjoy some HD viewing with my SV 8000HD. I honestly don't believe a permanent fix is going to happen, although FTA's have suprised me a hell of a lot of times in the past. So, I have no plans to spend more money on a "dream". Therefore, another FTA or USB 256 is not part of my financial planning. As I said in my original post in this thread, I haven't touched my plastic in at least four months, and that includes the present situation. Suffice it to say there are ways around key changes on plastic. One good way was disscussed on this website about a month or so ago. My plastic just keeps "rolling" right along. Long live FTA and Plastic. Happy Holidays to everyone. I haven't touched my plastic in at least four months, and that includes the present situation. Suffice it to say there are ways around key changes on plastic. lol me too cheers loco .;) you know where we are lol. hidden deep . so im going home over there see ya there hee hee.

[spanga]

IKS works but remember to use Wi Fi and get your internet singnal from some were els other than your home.works like a hot damn....lol......i guess what i'm trying to get across is if there are enough folks doing that then isp alone won't be enough to approach anyone.....all that has to happen is for them to try and extort funds or threaten one wrong person and they could end up being sued themselves......the weak spot is the head end server for sure but only as the most important part of the proceedure....they get their mitts on that and the game is over at the IKS level.....sure would like to see a standalone or even an aux card solution but won't hold my breath

[DonaldTheGiver]

mili just curious where you get your info from, there is no more memory on your 256 cards then anyone elses, and if i do so recall correctly if money wasnt the only reason anyone is supporting the usb256 right now, fab5 was suppose to be dumping the code for that anyway, and you know just as well as i and everyone else if that were to happen, all 256 would be running just fine and dandy, but then again if that happend you wouldnt have any money.

[geejay1945]

I did card sharing on a dreambox. Due to legal problems everything was instantly shut down and phones wern't answered. Everyone lost their money. With the USB 256 I am now in charge of my own destiny. Be aware of card sharing or similar ventures. Happy Holidays.

[garysam]

Pretty much all FTA is up again. For how long is the next question. It's been over 12 hours now so that beat the last fix LOL.

[deltaforce]

Yes i am finally watching bev on my extreme...been up 10 minutes...lol

[mili]

Since happysat.org people released their source code all the FTA "coders" are coming out wiht fixes they congratulate themselves for. It seems they can't code any more, they need the DVB coder to release his source code to get any fixes out. Well live it up and pray you get to enjoy it long enough to see football tomorrow cause DIsh will surely come out with some new nastiness to put your FTA to sleep for another week or more.

mili

[talon05]

Amen Milli

[eveled]

Even though everyone is up now, it's still a good idea to diversify. I made a giant binder full of card info and am ready to go!
Hopefully Charlie has alot of Christian coders that will be taking the week off.

Why is Sonicpoo up and Viewshat not?

[leeaman7777]

Better get your info from a new source dude - Viewsat is up.

[spanky macdouga]

Since happysat.org people released their source code all the FTA "coders" are coming out wiht fixes they congratulate themselves for. It seems they can't code any more, they need the DVB coder to release his source code to get any fixes out. Well live it up and pray you get to enjoy it long enough to see football tomorrow cause DIsh will surely come out with some new nastiness to put your FTA to sleep for another week or more.

mili

Mili, does it really matter who codes it as long as as we're all back up? I've stated before and I'll state it again: Given FTA's track record, it's very probable that FTA will be back up again after charlie sends out their next "nugget". What's good for FTA is good for other testing platforms and vice versa. My $0.02 worth....

[eveled]

Better get your info from a new source dude - Viewsat is up.

Thanks. I'll have to find a better source for VS files I guess.

[garysam]

On the 3 sites I checked VS was about 10 hours behind SV. Maybe Mr. Viewsat got drunk Friday night?

[Mezlo]

Thanks. I'll have to find a better source for VS files I guess.

Try totalfta or ftaforall

[cold iron]

Ahh, some of the FTA's run on Lenix. They are up and running 3 days before anyone. Don't think they are hijacking any code.

[DonaldTheGiver]

its ok, whenever there is something else up besides what somone is trying to sell it always gets bashed, testing is testing, if it works for 2 minutes your doin good, dont know what happend to you mili, think you let that money get to your head.

[stas101]

I wish fta stays down and dies for all the harm it has caused to the community....the fun is over and has been for quite some time...thank you fta and it's lovers....

[mili]

Who is bbashing anyone? Please point out my bash. I ws posting facts. THere is no bash saying they wait for the source code withich is a fact then release their fixes. The only FTA that was up (and by the way it is LINUX nto Lenix or Lemmings) were key shating IRDS. THen DVB came out THEN FTA stand alone boxes. It is a pattern only a blind man can't see. Donald keep your stupid sneaky remarks to yourself.

mili

[Bandit5906]

Tell us what you really think, mili?

As far as FTA this and that: it is what it is. This testing hobby is what it is no matter what device is used. I'm just happy we have a choice!

[HCCAfan]

its ok, whenever there is something else up besides what somone is trying to sell it always gets bashed, testing is testing, if it works for 2 minutes your doin good, dont know what happend to you mili, think you let that money get to your head.

i dont know why mili always says fta is down for the count, but yes it does get old. and yes he prolly gets alot more flack because of it. but i suppose if you look at mili's arguement, everytime fta goes down his site gets hammered like no other for keys or fixes. Mili doesnt sell fta's, but has been generous enough to offer a forum for it, so i can see why he would get anal about his servers getting hammered. his forums are here for customers, but he left them open for potentional customers, hoping some would buy his products after they seen the support. its his house so he makes the rules, end of story.

[Fr33TVr]

its his house so he makes the rules, end of story. indeed

[Crow 492]

No more bashing time to move on.