BEV MECM taking emulators out again.

[mili]

Preliminary indicators hint at MAP57. If they time it we are fucked. If not then there will be a fix.

mili

[Homer J. Simpson]

i think dish is doing the same thing, just went out a few minutes ago on my armulator on dish.

[Crow 492]

Yep dish too FTA may have a hard time with this one yes I did say that.

[ruciz]

both down now afaik. ST is giving me lil ! once and again... never done that before, so communication errors are happenin.

[Crow 492]

Basic dish channels are going on Capitan No PPV Porn the rest are down.

[garysam]

Not trying to be a smartaas, but are the 256 USBs working?

[Double^D]

garysam good question.... I would like to know that also

[chemlab]

I don't have one, but I'll say no, considering everything except patched plastic is down atm.

[Tim H]

my 256 working only on basic channels the rest are down. testing D***.

[kingkool]

can someone explain what "if they time it right, we are fucked" means. i thought they were running map57 before (like a year ago) and then stopped for some reason

[HCCAfan]

Not trying to be a smartaas, but are the 256 USBs working?

according to the pop up window, yes. according to actual testers, no.

[HCCAfan]

can someone explain what "if they time it right, we are fucked" means. i thought they were running map57 before (like a year ago) and then stopped for some reason

well, in theory, if they did it right, anything not writeable would be smuckered. Take for an example that they told the ird to check keys once every ten minutes, and if matching, let video play till next check sequence. OK. Lets say they rolled keys every ten minutes, so everytime the ird does the check sequence, it was new keys it was checking for. Without knowing the keys in advance and programming it to your testing device (atmega, fta, st19, etc), only thing able to get video is something that can write new keys to itself. You would write current keys to the card or bin or fta receiver, but the ird would only start showing video the next time it was timed to check keys, and by then the keys would have changed again. With the ird handling some of the emm process, u will eliminate most testing devices out there. The only thing left would be plastic, and st19 if they could get it to emulate an ird to process the ird emms. The day charlie gets his shit together and is able to allow quicker timing and ird emm handling faster, u better start worrying if you dont have plastic with rolling capabilities with a damn good blocker.

[iamintn]

can someone explain what "if they time it right, we are fucked" means. i thought they were running map57 before (like a year ago) and then stopped for some reason

running map 57 and timing it are two totaly separate things. yes, the algorithm is known. but trying to time it with dynamic inputs in time to get the correct answer to allow video will be a challenge for any emu. if indeed they are timing 57, i'd love to hear fab5's input.

[asclc9]

Hello
i have the BEV Emulator and the screen is black. I don't know much about it I use Armulator on another site. The person who looks after everything for me is away. Can anyone Help
Can I get it up and running
Thanks

[EpSiloN]

st19xl-2[1][1].6.14 is out ppl works with aux card only


PGM emu will be the last one standing....

[mili]

They are indeed timing MAP57 this is a real goatfuck. It will take time to fix it.
BEV and Dish both using the same MECM, all emulators including your fucking Viewsats and coolsats are down. Only REAL ROM102 CARD present systems are working.

mili

[spanky macdouga]

can some one point me to a link on what is happening and what is needed to overcome it? Preferably an article with a target audience whose collective IQ is room temperature. Maybe then I'll better understand it. Thanks.

[McLovin]

can some one point me to a link on what is happening and what is needed to overcome it?

here is a link to a description of what is currently going on and what will be needed to overcome it:

hXXp://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75307

[mili]

Here is what Fab5 had to say about this

Battle of the Bulge?


Well, this is it folks. I am calling it the Battle of the Bulge. This is the final desperate push by Nagra to defeat all hardware emulators. The stakes could not be higher: if they win, no single stand-alone hardware emulator is coming back. If they lose, they have nothing else to throw at us, at least nothing harder than this.

Their tactic is the (expected) timer hash of Map0x57. Map0x57, as most coders know is a convoluted implementation of elliptic curve multiplication (ECC). Timing a standard ECC function is hard enough, but timing a proprietary one is much, much harder - if not impossible.

My plan is to counter this attack with my favourite weapon of choice: statistics.It worked well for us last time, lets hope it works out this time too.

For those who are culturally deprived, the Battle of the Bulge was the last desperate offensive by the Germans, prepared with skill and secrecy, to capture the key strategic city of Bastogne around Christmas of 1944. Greatly outnumbered and outflanked, the allies held the city and the men who survived came to be known as the "Battered Bastards of Bastogne".

Lets see what the battered, bastard coders can do this time around...wish me luck!

PS. The battle field (MECM0x40) is depicted below.


00:0100: 99 sec
00:0101: 8A pushcc
00:0102: 9B sei
00:0103: B6 0D lda $0D
00:0105: 88 pusha
00:0106: A4 F7 and #$F7
00:0108: B7 0D sta $0D
00:010A: B6 12 lda $12
00:010C: 88 pusha
00:010D: B6 11 lda $11
00:010F: 88 pusha
00:0110: 13 12 bclr1 $12
00:0112: 9D nop
00:0113: 13 16 bclr1 $16
00:0115: A6 00 lda #$00
00:0117: C7 0B 92 sta $0B92
00:011A: A6 0B lda #$0B
00:011C: C7 0B 93 sta $0B93
00:011F: A6 A2 lda #$A2
00:0121: C7 0B 94 sta $0B94
00:0124: A6 0B lda #$0B
00:0126: C7 0B 95 sta $0B95
00:0129: A6 B2 lda #$B2
00:012B: C7 0B 96 sta $0B96
00:012E: A6 0B lda #$0B
00:0130: C7 0B 97 sta $0B97
00:0133: A6 C2 lda #$C2
00:0135: C7 0B 98 sta $0B98
00:0138: A6 0B lda #$0B
00:013A: C7 0B 99 sta $0B99
00:013D: A6 D2 lda #$D2
00:013F: C7 0B 9A sta $0B9A
00:0142: A6 0B lda #$0B
00:0144: C7 0B 9B sta $0B9B
00:0147: A6 E2 lda #$E2
00:0149: C7 0B 9C sta $0B9C
00:014C: A6 0B lda #$0B
00:014E: C7 0B 9D sta $0B9D
00:0151: A6 F2 lda #$F2
00:0153: C7 0B 9E sta $0B9E
00:0156: A6 02 lda #$02
00:0158: B7 48 sta $48
00:015A: A6 02 lda #$02
00:015C: CD 38 40 jsr $3840
00:015F: A6 0B lda #$0B
00:0161: B7 46 sta RC1
00:0163: A6 93 lda #$93
00:0165: B7 47 sta $47
00:0167: 13 16 bclr1 $16
00:0169: 13 12 bclr1 $12
00:016B: A6 41 lda #$41
00:016D: B7 16 sta $16
00:016F: A6 49 lda #$49
00:0171: B7 12 sta $12
00:0173: A6 FF lda #$FF
00:0175: B7 15 sta $15
00:0177: B7 11 sta $11
00:0179: 3F 14 clr $14
00:017B: 3F 10 clr $10
00:017D: 12 16 bset1 $16
00:017F: 9D nop
00:0180: 12 12 bset1 $12
00:0182: A6 57 lda #$57
00:0184: CD 38 40 jsr $3840
00:0187: 13 16 bclr1 $16
00:0189: 9D nop
00:018A: 13 12 bclr1 $12
00:018C: AD 37 bsr $1C5
00:018E: A6 04 lda #$04
00:0190: B7 47 sta $47
00:0192: A6 00 lda #$00
00:0194: B7 48 sta $48
00:0196: C6 0B 93 lda $0B93
00:0199: B7 4A sta $4A
00:019B: C6 0B 94 lda $0B94
00:019E: B7 4B sta $4B
00:01A0: A6 40 lda #$40
00:01A2: CD 5B E0 jsr Move_A_RC1_to_RC2
00:01A5: B6 14 lda $14
00:01A7: 31 C7 0B 92 sta [$0B92:$0B93:$0B94]
00:01AB: AD 18 bsr $1C5
00:01AD: B6 10 lda $10
00:01AF: 31 C7 0B 92 sta [$0B92:$0B93:$0B94]
00:01B3: 84 popa
00:01B4: B7 11 sta $11
00:01B6: 84 popa
00:01B7: 97 tax
00:01B8: A4 FD and #$FD
00:01BA: B7 12 sta $12
00:01BC: 9F txa
00:01BD: B7 12 sta $12
00:01BF: 84 popa
00:01C0: B7 0D sta $0D
00:01C2: 86 popcc
00:01C3: 98 clc
00:01C4: 87 rtsp
00:01C5: C6 0B 94 lda $0B94
00:01C8: AB 08 add #$08
00:01CA: C7 0B 94 sta $0B94
00:01CD: C6 0B 93 lda $0B93
00:01D0: A9 00 adc #$00
00:01D2: C7 0B 93 sta $0B93
00:01D5: 81 rts

Fab5

mili

[willham]

just wondering would the AUX thing work with this like it did before

[MIKEHAWKISLARGE]

Auxed card using st19 up and rom102/103 up on private blocker. Private hasn't been down but once in like a year except for rev update

[willham]

ok thank you

[satexplorer]

i was planning to buy a usb atmega 256 but now i will wait a little more .

[DB]

i was planning to buy a usb atmega 256 but now i will wait a little more .I would wait to buy anything, not just a USB Atmega256. With Fab5's track record I would bet he will be back up, but you never know what could happen. It may not. The only thing at this point I would even think about buying (if you don't already have one) is a rom102 or rom103.

[harrybuckman]

st19xl-2[1][1].6.14 is out ppl works with aux card only


PGM emu will be the last one standing....


PGM wins again

[zag1958]

Looks like things are not as bleak as first thought. This is a quote from mfong, one of the emunation coders (DVB):

They really screwed up with this MECM and it's easily worked around (I've already got a working dirty solution). If it were to be done the elegant way, it'd probably be really difficult.

[rwithclass]

I got fedup of FTA game and went back to Rom102

Luckily, a friend at work deals with this so bought 3 Rom102/IRD's and bought RC ( I dont mind updating the card everyday with new bin ), the game requires patience and kudos to folks who can decipher this info and let us know

[jughead69]

Are you going to mind updating your keys every ten minutes?

ST19 and Aux card have worked flawlessly for me for a year now. Never a problem and PGM is almost always first with a fix and usually one that lasts more than a week!

Last night when I turned on the TV and noticed black screen, PGM had already released a fix. Got my DN back in the time it took me to replace a file on a floppy. And I didn't have to wait for the keys to roll because the current ones were saved to floppy before I shut down ST.

PGM THANK YOU

My bet is that non-carded fixes if they work at all, will be down more than up.

Fab5 is right about this being a last stand. DN will start to lose programing as HBO, PPV etc decide that they have been 'tested' for too long. If FTA and ATmegas survive this this round and stay up for more than a week or two without new fixes, expect a major card swap.

And where is the overdue and anticipated ECM plastic loop. Only after they have finished messing up cardless testing. Mili's post about Herding the diehards to AR plastic is correct. Give the die-hards some time to get them back on plastic, roll keys like 90 and make AR the only viable script. SuperBowl is only 5 weeks away. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Unmelted plastic is going to see a jump in prices.

[satexplorer]

I would wait to buy anything, not just a USB Atmega256. With Fab5's track record I would bet he will be back up, but you never know what could happen. It may not. The only thing at this point I would even think about buying (if you don't already have one) is a rom102 or rom103.



thank you for your suggestion.

[cablecowboy]

what about Nfusion are they down also?

[HCCAfan]

ST19 and Aux card have worked flawlessly for me for a year now. Never a problem and PGM is almost always first with a fix and usually one that lasts more than a week!

Last night when I turned on the TV and noticed black screen, PGM had already released a fix. Got my DN back in the time it took me to replace a file on a floppy. And I didn't have to wait for the keys to roll because the current ones were saved to floppy before I shut down ST.



While that itself is great that you are getting fast fixes, its not considered flawlessly. Some of the private plastic testers have stated that they havent had to load a card except for 3 month tier expirys. Thats flawless.....

[spanga]

what about Nfusion are they down also?nope..... they are not a fully emulating device......closer to st19 than anything but needs internet.....blah blah blah about how safe though

[jughead69]

While that itself is great that you are getting fast fixes, its not considered flawlessly. Some of the private plastic testers have stated that they havent had to load a card except for 3 month tier expirys. Thats flawless.....
you mean in the last three months, there have been scripts that have updated from 10b to 10c by themselves? Wow, did Nostradamus write the script?

Or it was blockerless (like no script almost a valid sub), and took the updates and still had a back door?

I'm not a coder, just a electronics tech. Tell me more.

As far as I have heard every rev update, has required a new fix for all testing methods.

[rwithclass]

Where can I read more abt St19 and Aux, never heard of it before

Only thing I know that it has to be Open Rom102 right ?

[Bandit5906]

102 never saw the hit!

[mili]

Well, I crunched the numbers and......it will work!


The same old statistical method came through. This time it was a lot harder because of an extra variable and the fact that there is no room for error on the timer register. It must be exact.


Fab5



According to the above post it should be fixed soon. If it indeed happens before anyone else is up demand will be great again and there will be delays filling it.

mili

[Fignewton]

Mili
Thanks for keeping us up to-date with the progress.

Anxiously awaiting a fix!

[Zim]

you mean in the last three months, there have been scripts that have updated from 10b to 10c by themselves? Wow, did Nostradamus write the script?

Or it was blockerless (like no script almost a valid sub), and took the updates and still had a back door?

I'm not a coder, just a electronics tech. Tell me more.

As far as I have heard every rev update, has required a new fix for all testing methods.

yeah...running blockerless with a backdoor...how does this werk and is it a good idea?....any input would be great.....

[jughead69]

I'm not even sure if this can be done. I have head of people taking an updated cam, adding long expiery tiers, and with out adding a backdoor, load this on the card. Basically recreating a valid kinda sub. Of course, getting back into the card once the tiers and PPV expier, would not be very easy....

rwithclass: lots of info out there on st19 basically an emulator that also uses a 102 or 103 card that has an AUX script.

Same hardware as Cemu just add ISO with card.

[dishnewguy]

There are a few scripts that let you run with a blocker that auto rolls the keys, but it allows an easy way for the provider to ECM the card.

There are methods for setting expiry dates way out and letting the card stream update. you are unable to change anything on the card after the stream update. In therory it acts as a sub till the expry date is reached and there are no constant card pulls for updating manually.
This method is not recommended unless you don't care to take a chance on toasting a card.

[hammer2002]

There are a few scripts that let you run with a blocker that auto rolls the keys, but it allows an easy way for the provider to ECM the card.

There are methods for setting expiry dates way out and letting the card stream update. you are unable to change anything on the card after the stream update. In therory it acts as a sub till the expry date is reached and there are no constant card pulls for updating manually.
This method is not recommended unless you don't care to take a chance on toasting a card.

But isn't there a way to run without blocker but spoof the card at 10c so that it doesn't update because it thinks it's already at the latest rev? Sure, it wouldn't work if 10d gets pushed out, but I always thought that the stream loggers could determine that a new REV was being spooled well before it is actually implemented; that would give one time to pull the card and re-spoof it.

Hammer

[djgdjgdjg]

up for both di*h and b*v

[Zim]

well all I knows is that a couple of friends have had their card activated by a guy who claims his s/w comes from ...Monterrey, Mexico...and their cards will survive for @ 3 months and their guy will go back in and re-do the s/w again and again...he has has tv for at least a year now and only had to reprogram a few times....I kinda want to get in touch with this guy since it sounds great but at the same time I can easily stick my card in my iso and keep going.....

[iamjesuschrist]

There are a few scripts that let you run with a blocker that auto rolls the keys, but it allows an easy way for the provider to ECM the card.

There are methods for setting expiry dates way out and letting the card stream update. you are unable to change anything on the card after the stream update. In therory it acts as a sub till the expry date is reached and there are no constant card pulls for updating manually.
This method is not recommended unless you don't care to take a chance on toasting a card.

Glad to see you got it going newguy, have 2 myself set up and am enjoying not having to run to the iso all the time or send back and forth through the mail. For the cost of a cam, ($90.00 right now, unlocked) it is well worth it for tv for a year or so. Also the cams won't be looped but will be streamlocked and unlockable someday. ( I hope )
And as you said, do not try unless you have cams to toast.
Good luck newguy
JC

[rg6a]

can some one point me to a link on what is happening and what is needed to overcome it? Preferably an article with a target audience whose collective IQ is room temperature. Maybe then I'll better understand it. Thanks.

You want to converse with people with an IQ of 72 ...........don't think you'll find it here.

PS Saturday morning's cartoons weren't that good, perhaps next week will be
better, always chin up and keep the faith. ;-)