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mili

12-29-2007, 06:08 PM

Well, I crunched the numbers and......it will work!

The same old statistical method came through. This time it was a lot harder because of an extra variable and the fact that there is no room for error on the timer register. It must be exact.

Fab5

If this came from TDG I be slightly sceptical but Fab5 has been up and up so I have no reason to doubt his word. It means USBAtmega256 cards should be up on all channels soon again.

mili

jimbobjoe

12-29-2007, 06:55 PM

That's great news, it means I may have a better use after all for the cards I ordered last week, that is other than ice scrapers anyway! Now if we can see an update for the Enigma's, we'll all be dancing in the new year. Although Mili, I think it would be a good idea to remove the "Working perfect on Bev and Dish" slogan at the top of everypage selling the 256's, it just seems right. Thanks for the update.

rust1d

12-29-2007, 07:28 PM

i'll wait for the 128 and save $100

jocko50

12-29-2007, 07:36 PM

i'll wait for the 128 and save $100

Keep waiting!!!

lefty

12-29-2007, 08:05 PM

i'll wait for the 128 and save $100

I'll save you even more - buy my 128 for $50....

lol

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joesnuffy

12-29-2007, 09:13 PM

Crow 492

12-29-2007, 09:46 PM

Here is the ones I'am getting for FTA take it as you wish C & P

Some good news Here is some good news from our friends on the inside...

I really can't say all of what I know, but the map EMU is down to just a few routines left. It needs some streamlining and cleaning up, but it IS delivering control words accurately right now. There's a map command and a few other little routines to finish, but they are close. I'd say around February 1st, providers may indeed have a tough time bringing us ALL down for awhile.

We CAN tell you this, though. Providers are pulling out all stops. They are doing things that the card was never intended to do in an effort to squash FTA. Coders really don't seem too worried, though, so neither should you. We may have a bit of a bumpy ride this month, but soon the tide will turn.

Everybody just please remain calm, and check here for the latest updates and be patient and wait!

Have the Coders ever let us down yet?

We have seen many, many worse situations than this!!

Beavervillain

12-29-2007, 11:17 PM

DVB is up with Emunation(has been for the last couple hours) so as per usual the FTA people will soon start their own releases.

johnnyjam

12-29-2007, 11:51 PM

Beavervillain

12-30-2007, 12:21 AM

That may be the case for FAB5 but I don't think so. Cause almost every time in the past few weeks FAB5 has come out with a fix pretty much at the same time as the Emunation crew(not hours of coding afterwards). And a lot of coders exchange info and ideas through IRC so I don't believe that he (FAB5) is merely leaching off of DVB like most of the FTA peoples do.
Just my opinion though cause I do not personally know FAB5, But I do try to keep up to date on whats happening.

johnnyjam

12-30-2007, 12:49 AM

Just a little humour. It takes skill to implement the fixes, no matter where they come from. Mfong exposed a dirty little hole in this latest mecm, so I actually am hoping that the fab comes up with a different fix that actually 'runs' the latest code... rather than exploits it. But props to all, its not as easy as it was in the old days. Its beyond my talents, thats for sure!

...clockspeed...

tommyoz

12-30-2007, 02:19 AM

In the long run it doesn't really matter to the end user who comes up with the fix. As long as it's done.

However, it's plain to see the talents of the emunation coding group.

whitestuff

12-30-2007, 06:23 AM

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smart man.. hehe

fubr

12-30-2007, 03:15 PM

I've crunched the numbers and it can be done!!! I am just waiting for codemonkey, mfong and no-one to release their sources so i can apply them to my device. Thankyou for your patience...

...clockspeed...pretty easy to sit and say shit like that behind your new keyboard you got for Christmas.

WTF you guys always knocking the coders thats work on the shit you dont have.
Right now in my book anybody working on legacy atmega's, or the enigma card is the ones who need bashing.
DVB and usbatmega should be left alone right now.

Morphius

12-31-2007, 01:50 AM

It is amazing to me how peeps come to Mili's site and bash him and his product. Unbelievable I wish I had a ban button. This 256 atmega is a good product and it has great support. This site has free information and files and isn't costing anyone that doesn't want to contribute jack and he isn't getting rich off anyone I bet most of the peeps here got more money than him.

If you don't like it here just go somewhere else you don't need to spew ignorance and negative propoganda especially when you got less than 20 posts.

Just my 2 cents.

Joe

Right On Joe ......

At least ppl can come and read whats what without being made feel like they have to cough up cash to see a remedial fix for their product or device. Over the past week we are clearly seeing who is in this game for what it is and who is FUCKING the public at large. I hate to throw stones seeing as I have no post count, but it is ridiculous what is going on at some URLs and the whole 'sky is falling without your cash' routine.

Take that for what its worth.

Thanks dssftp for just plain being here.

johnnyjam

12-31-2007, 02:37 AM

pretty easy to sit and say shit like that behind your new keyboard you got for Christmas.

WTF you guys always knocking the coders thats work on the shit you dont have.
Right now in my book anybody working on legacy atmega's, or the enigma card is the ones who need bashing.
DVB and usbatmega should be left alone right now.

Nobodys bashing dvb, thats for sure... Just all of the other emulators (fta/atmega) that have been leeching off of them for quite a while now. And that is why the sources aren't being released for people who --->play<--- with cemu and st19/auxshare. Personally, I hope they NEVER release another source from sasc-sc, I am quite content with my antenna and watch the odd show in discovery when dvb is up, and couldn't give a hoot if any other type of emu ever worked again, as I am not a dealer like most of the people waiting so they can "FIX" their buddie's boxes and make some cash!

P.S. Get a sense of humour!

Edit:

Sorry, I never received that keyboard you sent... When is it coming? This one still has the old at style plug and it sux!

Crow 492

12-31-2007, 07:53 AM

Nobodys bashing dvb, thats for sure... Just all of the other emulators (fta/atmega) that have been leeching off of them for quite a while now. And that is why the sources aren't being released for people who --->play<--- with cemu and st19/auxshare. Personally, I hope they NEVER release another source from sasc-sc, I am quite content with my antenna and watch the odd show in discovery when dvb is up, and couldn't give a hoot if any other type of emu ever worked again, as I am not a dealer like most of the people waiting so they can "FIX" their buddie's boxes and make some cash!

P.S. Get a sense of humour!

Edit:

Sorry, I never received that keyboard you sent... When is it coming? This one still has the old at style plug and it sux!
This is true here is some post that where the at DVB site C & P

WOW....some guy THREATEND DVB-S coder IMHO:
this is not good and could possibly be why some boxes are not up today.

c/p Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:25 pm:
This is for people that don't understand what the GPL means and trying to make private threats like what this guy did.

kabulistan wrote:

Since you refuse to release the source and you have taken what is 99% GPL coding and sold it to captive works, I will take it upon myself to contact the proper authorities and have you shut down, be it DISH and BEV security, FBI cyber crimes or any other proper authority. If i don't see source code for the current release "dirty fix" freely available within 24 hours, i will go ahead. This is your final warning!

Reply:

Quote:

If you want the source code, you can do the same thing brokenbrainedphil did and make a request for it and it'll be provided when I get around to it. You're worst than he is, as you fail to see that previous versions have always included the source and this will be no different. If you want to fix it, there's nothing stopping you as the fix isn't dependent of what I did.

You need to give credit to other coders, as they are smart enough to figure out the fix for themselves, with or without the information I already gave out publicly about the MECM. Dreambox/CaptiveWorks did their own work and the only ones with the source code are the same people that maintain the GPL'd code.

Take your GPL bashing elsewhere, as you clearly do not appreciate its meaning and only try to abuse it for your own personal gains and for those you work for. You need to look at who you work for, as they are clearly in violation of the GPL as they will not release the code that they've copied from the previous releases.

If you're interested in the code, you need to make a request for it before you can claim a violation. If the code isn't given out after a request is made, it becomes a violation. The code does not need to be given out immediately and there cannot be any money exchanged other than the cost incurred from the delivery of the code.

If you want to make a request for the recent dirty fix, feel free to and it will be provided to you in a reasonable amount of time.
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just a note:
dvb-s testers have been the reason we have had fixes over the last few weeks

Yes and the same idoit posted this also:

kabulistan
SatBaby

Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Posts: 11

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:41 pm

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Apperently Mfong will abide by the GPL if you request the source from him, when he gets around to it. Of course that could mean when the patch is useless again. If you haven't figured it out yet, this place is a farce. Nobody knows anything about coding, they just want free tv. You have people using the works of others (Mfong, codemonkey) for their own profit and ego boost. Don't waste your time brokenbrain, you see how they have resisted your every attempt at helping the cause. Do like I have, make your own private fix and keep it to yourself. Nobody deserves it in these forums.

kabulistan are you still bitching. why dont you just do like you said and make your own private fixes and keep it to yourself... bc the sound of it. it looks like you only know how to follow the "readme" doc

i for one dont know anything about coding. i am very gratefull for the coders to release fixes so i can enjoy some free tv. if i could help trust me i would. i wish i knew what they knew. and guess what when times get hard i just plug in my subed receiver and watch some tv.

if you going to cry everytime it goes down and have no tv for 2 days and one is given you the fix. then go pay for it like a lot off ppl do here anyways. or are you one of those making $$$ of this and you are feeling the heat from all your so called customers??

thx to all the coders out there.. keep the good work!!

These are from the DVB site that released the fix yesterday morning.
Those guys are awsome considering they do not have any manufacturer behind them.
The threat looks to be from someone frustrated in the FTA world, but pretty strange as the release could have been easily decompiled by those interested. END OF C & P

Looks like mili is right fta coders only know how to do is batch the source code on there FTA boxes.

As a FTA supporter I'am shock that these coders do not play with ROM cards and ISO's:mad::mad::mad:

asgard

12-31-2007, 09:58 AM

source code do they know how many pages of code they need to read I miss the old days when the h-card was easy but fta ird's there is more to it then just a few lines of code they have to break it down to what needs to be changed and why it works or don't work.I spent many hours debuging high level programs only to find one little dec point missing i don't mind waiting for someone to work it out by the time I get setup someone has released it.if they can't get it or they go underground then I have to dust off all my junk and do a lot of catching up.I started with fta when the first silver bullet hit the internet 500 a unit then.

talon05

12-31-2007, 04:22 PM

So if everything goes to plan Viewsat should have a fix out tomorrow and go down the day after what a freakin joke they turned out to be....Oh how the mighty have fakken long live plastic

duffybno1

12-31-2007, 04:52 PM

you sit here putting coders down and call others leaches
you can't stand to be out of free tv
just who is the leaches here
what a bunch of brainless whiners

acidal

01-01-2008, 06:47 PM

Those that are whining and threatening should get a sub, shut up and just be grateful if they get a fix at all. You have no reason to demand anything from anyone! What a bunch of ungrateful babies! I can't believe some would complain about the coders that work their asses off for us to have free tv. I for one am very grateful and will wait quietly for a fix if one ever comes out. If not then I will keep using my rom102.

vizion123

01-01-2008, 07:12 PM

You need to give credit to other coders, as they are smart enough to figure out the fix for themselves, with or without the information I already gave out publicly about the MECM. Dreambox/CaptiveWorks did their own work and the only ones with the source code are the same people that maintain the GPL'd code.

As a FTA supporter I'am shock that these coders do not play with ROM cards and ISO's:mad::mad::mad:

I would like to point out that MANY FTA coders have a fix that is NOT based off of the work that is being done here... As many readers of this site do not understand the depth of FTA and base much of the info off of what they read here.

As with any area.. You have good apples and bad apples..

There are many coders that are working in the same area as the DVB people are but not totally the same. Personally I have experienced uptime when the dvb nation emu was down (and vice versa as well)

ClarkeBelt

01-01-2008, 07:53 PM

Not much doubt that the fixes are becoming increasingly difficult to implement successfully. End users are just that - users. The creative minds that enable us all should be praised for their ingenuity. I appreciate fixes from wherever they come. It gets annoying when everything is up except your chosen platform. But us Enigma users are getting used to it. :D

HAVE A GREAT NEW YEAR, MILI & POSTERS HERE!!!

Neon

01-02-2008, 02:55 AM

I have been with the E-card sence the start. Its been good. Yes its up & down but hey its testing. Hope we have a great new year. Hope that everyone here has the same.

Morphius

01-02-2008, 03:14 AM

I would like to point out that MANY FTA coders have a fix that is NOT based off of the work that is being done here... As many readers of this site do not understand the depth of FTA and base much of the info off of what they read here.

As with any area.. You have good apples and bad apples..

There are many coders that are working in the same area as the DVB people are but not totally the same. Personally I have experienced uptime when the dvb nation emu was down (and vice versa as well)

FTA and the word depth don't belong in the same sentence or post. Even the 'newgen' FTA's like Nfusions hooked up 'net-live' are based upon the work from someone elses streamlogs or acces module dumps and dissasembly. Without an echo tester somewhere in the background the FTA would be nothing but a C band or true FTA unit.

Stop buying them or do a 120 day boycott and see what happens in the testing community. You would be VERY pleasantly suprised. This runs right along the same line as outsourcing in the manufacturing sector, It's before your very eyes yet people refuse to see the light.

vizion123

01-02-2008, 04:28 AM

FTA and the word depth don't belong in the same sentence or post. Even the 'newgen' FTA's like Nfusions hooked up 'net-live' are based upon the work from someone elses streamlogs or acces module dumps and dissasembly. Without an echo tester somewhere in the background the FTA would be nothing but a C band or true FTA unit.

Stop buying them or do a 120 day boycott and see what happens in the testing community. You would be VERY pleasantly suprised. This runs right along the same line as outsourcing in the manufacturing sector, It's before your very eyes yet people refuse to see the light.
Before you sprout off I am not talking many of the mainstream FTA boxes... several are mostly opensource... relook, dreambox, trippledragon ect...

Without an echo tester somewhere in the background the FTA would be nothing but a C band or true FTA unit.
*LOL* you know little of the true origins of FTA... FTA was jacking signals before echo even existed... it may not have been as mainstreem as it is now on birds such as G5, F3, Satcom1, and others.

Many think that the fist hack wasThe Battery Card sometime around 95..??

Hacking birds started MUCH earlier than that on FTA analog units.

Know where the term 3m Came from??

"It was discovered that the pointer could be redirected to enable decoding on all channels if at
least one channel was subscribed to and this only involved a change
of from one to six bytes, depending on the version of the VCII board.
This hack was known as the three musketeer hack (3M) because it
provided all channels for the cost of one. "One for all and all for one."

Now... back on topic

HBO and company started scrambling in early Jan 1986 Rumors started flying around March of
a means to unscramble HBO and others in March in Coop's Satellite Digest
The hack went more or less public in Dec of 86.

Now get this... Back during this time there were no such things as internet fourms..
Guess how people found out about ECM's?

"the late Shawn Kenny. He used the medium itself. From a makeshift studio located at his
New Jersey satellite dealership he produced a weekly show called Boresight
and he rented time on whatever satellite had space available.
It wasn't very expensive. He was another of the
pioneers. He hated scrambling and considered the VCII to be a piece of
junk."

Now... you really think that FTA really would not be hacking anything if the card testers were not here? I will admit I think it makes it easier for them but they are not dependant on them

*Note... I may be off on some of the dates as I googled key parts that I remembered...

garysam

01-02-2008, 04:35 AM

FTA is the same thing as Atmega, Enigma, DVB and whatever else is out there. The only difference is it comes with it's own receiver. To say that FTA coders aren't as much "echo testers" as any other coders for any other platform, is just plain retarded.

ClarkeBelt

01-02-2008, 05:35 AM

"the late Shawn Kenny. He used the medium itself. From a makeshift studio located at his New Jersey satellite dealership he produced a weekly show called Boresight and he rented time on whatever satellite had space available. OK, who remembers a feature called "Yellow Rain"? Poor old Shawn. Fell off his own roof playing with his dish. Good guy. I have a videotape of Greensheet somewhere.

A hack is a hack is a hack. Everyone hacking Nagra is facing essentially the same challenges. Why all the pissing contests? I just don't get it. OK, end users of FTA are the ultimate spoon fed users. So what? If you don't write your own code, you depend on others, regardless of what platform you play with.

As an end user, I wish everything was open source. Money dictates a different reality. I lose no sleep worrying about who knows what and who lifts ideas from whom.

Morphius

01-02-2008, 06:52 AM

Vizion,

your facts are pretty much in order and I agree. The dates are even pretty close although I do remember back in about 82 our FTA weighed in about 25-30 lbs and was larger than our tube amp stereo. Where my comment differentiates ans this applies to your comment Garysam is that the emulation packaged into these boxes for the strict decryption of NagraVision, ie. D!sh and b3v, has caused not only the enlargement of the countermeasure departments in the providers companies, but it has also sparked a necessity for deeper legal woes as these reciever type emulative devices get imported from the Korean penninsula and China. IF the current micro-fta market was not hatched how it was the whole community of Satellite Thievery would be different than it is today. Grey would be more grey, and not 25% of every cityblock would have a Diseqc switch hanging off the eave.

If you guys have even a hint of oldschool in you, you should know how it has absolutely ruined not only the fun, but now made it to where the other little devices like Enigmas, or the new USB 2.0 get agressively pursued ( caught up I should say ) as they try and stop the use of these CRAP recievers being imported and sold to anyone and everyone. And I dont recall overwhelming amounts of signal decryption happening in public FTAs or for the cornerstore public until these CRAP new boxes came along and the money guys behind them started buying Dumps from Plastic to make their device work.

Lets take Ariza for great example. They could decode the Wild Feeds that often are nothing more than re-distribute broadcasts that current providers upload and re-broadcast after slightly editing for user content, and they also could get alot of other Misc. activity. They, and even in the ' old days ' could NEVER get a GUIDE with the same accuracy and style and channel orders and all that without an Echo person holding their hand. They PURCHASED and most of em still do what is needed to emulate, copy and decrypt the exact. Anyone who denies this is plain ignorant. Fact and Point, If these FTA coders are so hip man , where the hell is my FTA with DirecTv ?? :eek: If they were all that and a bag of chips DTV would be rampid in the FTA High Definiton market, but its not now is it ?

Sure, there's some DTV action happening in the EMU world, but not many people know of it OR have it. It's under control at this point and the holders of the PLASTIC dumps have yet to whore themselves out full speed to make a buck from it. It actually is whats keeping it from being ECM'd like all this fookin nonsense that is happenin right now with Echo based signals.

Comparing yesteryears FTAs and the guys who tuned em with little red plastic screwdrivers to correct the Horiz & Vert holds is shameful as to who is running this market of CRAP boxes being made today. Therin was my whole point about todays FTA ruining the fun for not only intermediate 'testers' but also making the learning curve huge to even keep the plastic happening as we go blind watching the stream the for next Map call changes.

Eliminate the FTAs and their users and maybe, just maybe we can call it a sport again.

And I am sure it will be a real cold day before the Elite make the mistake twice of releasing CAM dumps of new plastic in the future as well.

Thanks for reading. :rolleyes:

mtmt1us

01-02-2008, 07:23 AM

Q. Speaking of crap boxes, why does it take so long for an echo* box to get going after you lose power or signal ??

A. Because they have cheap processors and are essentially crap boxes themselves.

mr. ringo

01-02-2008, 11:19 AM

if you look and see where they are made you will understand why they are shit.

ClarkeBelt

01-02-2008, 02:25 PM

Eliminate the FTAs and their users and maybe, just maybe we can call it a sport again. So, what you are saying is that if we lived in a world devoid of FTA's that hack Nagra, they would not be so aggressive with the counterattacks. Is that it? Far be it from me to defend the FTA, don't own one. Just trying to understand why there is this longstanding hatred for the FTA people.

If that is the basic argument, I am not sure I agree. Having lived through Black Sunday, there were no FTA's back then. We stayed up for weeks at a time though. One day, Dave sent down 12 hashes. In fact, Dave sent down around 400 different hashes before the HU card was replaced. All with no FTA problem. Maybe you are right. Or maybe someone finally gives a crap about shutting us down, rather than taking the powderpuff approach of the past. It has long been a mystery why Charlie and Bev haven't been more aggressive.

vizion123

01-02-2008, 02:57 PM

So, what you are saying is that if we lived in a world devoid of FTA's that hack Nagra, they would not be so aggressive with the counterattacks. Is that it? Far be it from me to defend the FTA, don't own one. Just trying to understand why there is this longstanding hatred for the FTA people.

If that is the basic argument, I am not sure I agree. Having lived through Black Sunday, there were no FTA's back then. We stayed up for weeks at a time though. One day, Dave sent down 12 hashes. In fact, Dave sent down around 400 different hashes before the HU card was replaced. All with no FTA problem. Maybe you are right. Or maybe someone finally gives a crap about shutting us down, rather than taking the powderpuff approach of the past. It has long been a mystery why Charlie and Bev haven't been more aggressive.

Nope you missed his point.. it is ONE of the offshoots that has made it public just like the EMU cubes in the dave day. After work today ill respond more to your point.. Some good reading :)

ClarkeBelt

01-02-2008, 07:36 PM

Nope you missed his point.. it is ONE of the offshoots that has made it public just like the EMU cubes in the dave day. After work today ill respond more to your point.. Some good reading :)
Thanks. That would be great. Always trying to learn

mtmt1us

01-03-2008, 02:07 AM

This post is not directed at anyone in particular, but I think that some people like to have someone to blame no matter what the subject is. I think everyone is entitled to use whatever is available to them if they wish.

eveled

01-03-2008, 03:47 AM

I'm sure the days of the dealer driving around with a laptop fixing everyone's cards/boxes are over. Now the dealers are SOL and they are upset because they'll never keep up. I've never seen such rudeness & bin begging as I've seen lately! It's a hobby and should be fun. If people can't be self-sufficient, they too are SOL. Spoonfeedee's should sub and save themselves from high blood pressure & strokes. Ya don't wanna end up like poor Dick Clark do ya? Lighten up- Life's too short!

mikepr

01-03-2008, 03:50 AM

Morphius

01-03-2008, 11:31 AM

We are ALL off topic at this point with regards to the thread starter and topic.

I think we have all spewed our opinions here now and perhaps these posts should be moved or the thread locked due to all of our rant. I for one am sorry for posting what I did in THIS thread. I do however stand behind what I have claimed.

Would an ADMIN or Mod be so kind as to move or split this so the original post and topic can be finished out and added to ?

I'm sure all of us in this debate can agree we hijacked the hell outta this.

Peeeeece.

:D

Ps... FTA sux ..... LoL

mtmt1us

01-04-2008, 05:50 AM

If I were a mod I would delete the above post. It reeks of a self righteous arrogance. First he says he's sorry then starts it up again. 22 posts and I bet not one has helped anyone- Plastic or FTA

PS Mod Delete mine too while you're at it- Thanks

mtmt1us

01-04-2008, 05:54 AM

Back on subject.

GO FAB 5 !!

eveled

01-04-2008, 06:59 AM

Does everyone not start out as you would say "spoonfeeders" or did you just wake up one day and knew all about prgramming cards????
There are alot of awesome people here that help "spoonfeeders" grow to be independent...so please watch what you say..be nice

Agreed... but there's a difference between someone who's reading, asking questions, reading, learning, asking, reading and someone who buys an FTA and then demands bins and asks "when are the fixes coming out?" over & over & over. It's embarassing to other noobies like myself who are trying to learn this cool hobby without shltting in the sandbox.

I started out getting ripped off by a guy who would take my box for a few hours and charge 40.00 upon return. I finally had enough and Googled Pansat and started learning the hard way. Then I diversified. Then I helped others. Now I'm learning cards. It's a great hobby.

People should show respect to the spoonfeeders and not demand. Thats all. No offense intended. I'm sure I'll ask a dumb question someday about something I should have picked up, but I'm sure going to be respectful when I do. Thanks Spoonfeeders!!!!

Morphius

01-04-2008, 02:01 PM

if you look and see where they are made you will understand why they are shit.

So your PREJUDICE against Mexicans and their assembly of IRDs ? The parts are made in China, the machines Designed in the U.K. , and you choose to point the finger at a Mexi-CAN !! :mad:

How Polite.

I'm sure my friends over at DSS MS-13 will be happy to hear what you think of their families work ethic and production heuvon. :eek:

01-04-2008, 05:29 PM

01-04-2008, 05:33 PM

Also, this bashing of any ethnic group is completely unacceptable. (not that some deserve it even IMO) There will be repercussions if it continues! We don't do that kind of thing here.

HCCAfan

01-04-2008, 06:17 PM

I started out getting ripped off by a guy who would take my box for a few hours and charge 40.00 upon return.

im not seeing the ripped off part?? your guy provided a service, and it seems that his price was 40 dollars. u wanted the service, hence u paid. for the stuff u received, i am sure it was worth more than 40.

eveled

01-05-2008, 05:48 AM

im not seeing the ripped off part?? your guy provided a service, and it seems that his price was 40 dollars. u wanted the service, hence u paid. for the stuff u received, i am sure it was worth more than 40.
You're right about that because it certainly was, so I should elaborate...
He lied about where he was going to do the box. He would say he was going into the city and the price was what the coder charged + his gas & toll money. I found out later that he was doing the fixes himself and trying to have a little business going. (which is fine too but he lied and was real shady about everything which is not fine) He would tell me NEVER to go into the menu and change anything but I found out later that was for his job security. Well I finally did hit that menu button, and i did change things and it got to the point where I knew more about this stuff than he did and I don't think he liked that even though I was starting to help him. If he did it as a friendly thing I would have gladly given him a twenty for his trouble, but he was just shady about it and that's why I said he ripped me off. Maybe a poor choice of vernacular since 40.00 was the going price for a fix when the fixes lasted many months.
If I helped a friend out, I wouldn't ask for any money. I would point them to websites like this so they can learn too and we can help each other. He would have been better off being a friend instead of a client because last I heard his 2500 was down while I'm happily watching Bat Masterson every evening, figuring out USBAtmega with a real friend. (We don't charge each other)

mtmt1us

01-05-2008, 06:55 AM

Also, this bashing of any ethnic group is completely unacceptable. (not that some deserve it even IMO) There will be repercussions if it continues! We don't do that kind of thing here.

No disrespect intended JT, but I looked and did not see bashing in this thread. I saw someone had thin skin and assumed his kind were being bashed. Looked like an over-reaction to me. JMO