New Dish MECM

[mili]

CRC checking ECM, meaning any emulator must emulate the way real ROM cards performs the Cyclic Redundancy Check including the timing of it. Not an easy fix so it will take some time.

mili

[Razor2]

Will this be affecting st19xl with aux as much as emulators without auxes

[mannybeef]

wow, so the statistical method will no longer work
possibly not brute force either.

i have a feeling when this is fixed, especially fta
there will be a new rev soon after

[Bandit5906]

Anyone know what is working now and/or what has been fixed so far?

Also why is it we still get locals?

[HCCAfan]

rom 102's and 103's are working :)

[Bandit5906]

With which software?

[JT]

st19xl is working auxless and with aux rom now again too thanks to you know who. (on Dish anyway)

[elgallo]

he thanks for the informacion

[dracornelius]

The Rom102 autoroll and pass this mecm just fine no reprogram if you have the right stuff, i think its better for FTA and emulators users start buying ISO Programmers and 102 Cards, this site has plenty on information on that matter, FTA has no full emulation yet known, and this new mecm will verify the correct answer in the correct time, hope they can keep up with that, theres a huge fta users out there.

P.D. Dont take me wrong, i really like those users to be up and running in no time, but the truth is that this MECM is very hard to emulate but not impossible, please start buying the 102 left before the price goes up, i remember when they were @ $40 now they arent.

[deltaforce]

Yeah and i remember when p4 cards were $200 and now they are worthless...do you really think that your cards on untouchable ?....mark these words when FTA goes down look out cards.....lmao

[HCCAfan]

With which software?

using private info, private blocker.

[Dale24]

The new ECM is basic but effective. It's a simple CRC check (we knew that was coming) with a quirk. It's a bit tricky and requires some new code to be written, but I'm fairly certain we'll see releases by morning, maybe a bit later. Coders DO know the routines that need to be written. Each time they show us something tricky they can do, we learn more and add more to the emu

[asgard]

Yes your right they gave us the death sentence how many times and we sprang back. Lets see when it all hits the fan who will rise from the dead first.

[Bandit5906]

What I fail to grasp is why plastic is still up and many private blockers were never effected?

What do I not understand?

[cypherkid]

What I fail to grasp is why plastic is still up and many private blockers were never effected?

What do I not understand?


They're REAL cards. They would have no problem passing a CRC check. That's the entire point of the ECM. Pass the plastic CRC check.

[pecker88]

What I fail to grasp is why plastic is still up and many private blockers were never effected?

What do I not understand?

what I don't understand is how the "private" pay blockers can blindidly stream update the encrypted 9F code. THEN site in the ird and wait for a 0106 keychange to decrypt and run the code!!! What if the decrypted 9F is calling for a loop??

We all know that new 9F tables are being loaded to the cam b/c when they become active the cards never go down, thus the code is ran.

Someone, please enlighten me how this isn't risky.

[DB]

what I don't understand is how the "private" pay blockers can blindidly stream update the encrypted 9F code. THEN site in the ird and wait for a 0106 keychange to decrypt and run the code!!! What if the decrypted 9F is calling for a loop??

We all know that new 9F tables are being loaded to the cam b/c when they become active the cards never go down, thus the code is ran.

Someone, please enlighten me how this isn't risky.Alot of private blockers do it because they for the most part are NOT a target like a public blocker. You can't hit what you can't see. Don't get me wrong. They can do other things that will loop a private blocker. But for the most part private is never looped cause Dish and BEV take every step to make sure they do not hit legit subs. So when they do there little checks most if not all private blockers pass them cause they are targeting a public blocker. (unless someone used some part of the public code and just changes somethings around and called it private they can be hit if Dish and BEV target that part of the code).

[0cool33]

Alot of private blockers do it because they for the most part are NOT a target like a public blocker. You can't hit what you can't see. Don't get me wrong. They can do other things that will loop a private blocker. But for the most part private is never looped cause Dish and BEV take every step to make sure they do not hit legit subs. So when they do there little checks most if not all private blockers pass them cause they are targeting a public blocker. (unless someone used some part of the public code and just changes somethings around and called it private they can be hit if Dish and BEV target that part of the code).
Way too many words.Just 3 "SECURITY THROUGH OBSCURITY"Thing is if dish sneaks something really nasty, will they send you a new card?LOL.

[Wingman69]

CRC checking ECM, meaning any emulator must emulate the way real ROM cards performs the Cyclic Redundancy Check including the timing of it. Not an easy fix so it will take some time.

mili

Can we get rid of the banners and ads that say Enigma and USB Atmega are up on all channels?

[dw7]

the only blocker that they have ever targeted was Pengs's - i don't get why they don't go after public cam / ird info - having said that - plastic is up with all blockers as long as you patch the latest 9femm patch

[MetM]

the only blocker that they have ever targeted was Pengs's - i don't get why they don't go after public cam / ird info - having said that - plastic is up with all blockers as long as you patch the latest 9femm patch

And if you're lucky enough to have a very good private blocker you just do nothing for months and months now and all the channels are up....:cool:

[ckirt2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dw7
the only blocker that they have ever targeted was Pengs's - i don't get why they don't go after public cam / ird info - having said that - plastic is up with all blockers as long as you patch the latest 9femm patch



dw7-

I think you answered your question with your first statement. Pe**a's blockers were public and became so widely used, just like noone's and many other blockers b4 that. The more people there are using the exact same code, the easier and faster Chuck can get his hands on it. He dissassembles it, trades punches with the creator/updater of the code until he finally gets enough heads working on it until he gets that opening and either makes the blocker inconvienent to use, hits it so it can't be updated anymore or worse case, throws a loop in. I can't tell you why or how codesp*ce keeps going or the emm9f mapping works, but I CAN say the more public the code, the more likely it will get targeted. Having said that and having been around since the "H days", nothing lasts forever in this hobby... so enjoy while u can
Ha P Daze! :p
C

[DB]

the only blocker that they have ever targeted was Pengs's - i don't get why they don't go after public cam / ird info - having said that - plastic is up with all blockers as long as you patch the latest 9femm patchThey did target public ird#. Look at the 6/12 ecm. They targeted tiers ranges, public ird#. and penga's blocker. All in one. They did it with 4 emms.


EMM #1 CHECK TIER RANGE. MARKS 1A AT $3066.
EMM #2 PUBLIC INFO CHECK. MARKS 2A AT #3066.
EMM #3 PUBLIC BLOCKER CHECK. MARKS 4A AT $3066.
EMM #4 CHECKS $3066. LOOPS CAM IF THERE'S A MARK OF 1A, 2A, OR 4A PRESENT AT $3066.



It's funny though, now that I look back at the 6/12 ecm. I remember that Dish used the BEV public IRD# in there ecm. I'm looking at that emm now still wondering what the hell they did that for.

[DB]

Thing is if dish sneaks something really nasty, will they send you a new card?LOL.Only if you call them up and tell them where to send the new cam to. LOL.

[Dragster]

And if you're lucky enough to have a very good private blocker you just do nothing for months and months now and all the channels are up....:cool:I agree i haven't had a looped card in over a year since i went private blocker,private script,the freeware stuff worked for me,but it also cost me more money down the road,that's part of the game,it's just testing.:cool:

[HCCAfan]

I agree i haven't had a looped card in over a year since i went private blocker,private script,the freeware stuff worked for me,but it also cost me more money down the road,that's part of the game,it's just testing.:cool:

exactly!!!! i have been privy since day 1 of doing dish after dtv went down, but I have only had one card go down, and it got locked. 1 card, almost 5 years..... I am so glad i found privy after seeing all the stuff go wrong with public. Back in dtv days, if you were using public, you were up for a day max, due to black listing, but never got looped like dish does :) Either way, privy is gonna be the way to go if your not emulating in the future....

[Bandit5906]

The private stuff is always better in that it does not come onto Charlie's radar!

[Jimmyboy]

You don't think Mr. Charlie can pay the fee and get "private" too?
J

[Bandit5906]

Sure he can, but is it cost effective? He can go after the big boy and score a good hit which will cover his costs and then some or he can go after everyone where his costs are more and the results are hardly any different.

Private is safer, but there is no guarantee for any software.

Statistically I wonder how many converted FTA's there are compared to all the other testing methods? Judging from all the different models of FTA I would suspect they are a quite large target compared to everyone else.

[Dragster]

You don't think Mr. Charlie can pay the fee and get "private" too?
JNo No,not the private stuff you buy on sites where everyone can buy it,i'm talking about the coder that doesn't sell his work on the net,he sells it to his hand picked people who he has dealt with for years.

[HCCAfan]

You don't think Mr. Charlie can pay the fee and get "private" too?
J

most true private sites are so small and underground, charlie wouldnt know they existed. And they only exist to the members there, and new people are INVITE ONLY, so charlie making his way into a group of 200 or less is really not feasible, or economical, since private stays out of the public eye....

Think of it like this....... 1 million maybe hacking dish with public on 102's, maybe 3 million using fta, maybe 1/8 million using public st aux....... and then you got private, not some vip status bullshit where u gotta pay to see parts of the forum/files. true private might only be a total of 100,000 , and thats just a guess since we will never know how many tru private sites are out there.... the tru private sites you will never ever find on your own. You will find it because they found you....
The Dome was an excellent example of a private site, but no tru private script there for a long time.... pretty much was a privy retirement home, im talking about some of the members were coders before the h card days...... These guys were the elite of the elite in their day, along with some of the elite of today, as well as alot of moderating staff from other sites visiting. You only got there if you were well known in the community, or someone was willing to risk their membership by inviting you.

[Odd Thomas]

EVERY WELL SAID

Alot of us SCCS guys are underground, but never ask!

If you aint Invited, you aint goin fined us.
evening all
0dd

[flybyu]

I think plastic loop is the last thing that Charlie wants to do.
He has to go after all other devices that emulate the card first and try to shut
them down, this has the least risk to legit subs.
If he can shut them all down for a while with some new fancy map call or routine
then he will force eveyone to plastic.
Then the killer ECM will come out for the public numbers or blocker, if he can find
a hole in the code or push a loop thru or the autoroll feature which you will need
when the keys rolls hourly.
All non Cam methods first as not to hit their own legit subs and cause more problems
then they have already!

[rg6a]

I think plastic loop is the last thing that Charlie wants to do.
He has to go after all other devices that emulate the card first and try to shut
them down, this has the least risk to legit subs.
If he can shut them all down for a while with some new fancy map call or routine
then he will force eveyone to plastic.
Then the killer ECM will come out for the public numbers or blocker, if he can find
a hole in the code or push a loop thru or the autoroll feature which you will need
when the keys rolls hourly.
All non Cam methods first as not to hit their own legit subs and cause more problems
then they have already!

I agree with the above but when it comes time to take a deep breath and try the ultimate loop, it won't be from Charlie. Kudelski is on the hook, should the loop take out subs (and Charlie has like 10Mil ?). They will experiment with B&v, only 1-1.5 Mil subs and if it hits the fan, easy enough to UPS out or have spares at their retail stores which are in the most populous areas.

As for the privates, only so many ways to skin the proverbial cat. Simply put bouncing around from one loc to the other can mask things but the more circuitous the route gets, more space it takes up and there is only some much room on plastic.

Anyone know how much spare space is left after loading a bin? Also we've all looked at bins and have seen all those zeros.......hey if data is placed there...easy enough for the Provider to check & Loop.

Bottomline: as many have mentioned earlier, nothing is 100% safe or
forever, except two and we know what they are. ;-)

[HCCAfan]

EVERY WELL SAID

Alot of us SCCS guys are underground, but never ask!

If you aint Invited, you aint goin fined us.
evening all
0dd

spelled like an old coder, lol :)

[chep]

spelled like an old coder, lol :)

Too Funny!!! :D ^^ lol

[HCCAfan]

lol chep, sign into msn if ur bored, i need someone to holla at when im smokin ;)

[chep]

At work right now......:D have fun though!!!

[TheNewGuy]

I just ordered the 256 USB Atmega card like 2 days prior to this happening.

No guarantees, but I do hope a fix comes through. If not, I will wait....and wait some more.

[ITS ME!]

most true private sites are so small and underground, charlie wouldnt know they existed. And they only exist to the members there, and new people are INVITE ONLY, so charlie making his way into a group of 200 or less is really not feasible, or economical, since private stays out of the public eye....

Think of it like this....... 1 million maybe hacking dish with public on 102's, maybe 3 million using fta, maybe 1/8 million using public st aux....... and then you got private, not some vip status bullshit where u gotta pay to see parts of the forum/files. true private might only be a total of 100,000 , and thats just a guess since we will never know how many tru private sites are out there.... the tru private sites you will never ever find on your own. You will find it because they found you....
The Dome was an excellent example of a private site, but no tru private script there for a long time.... pretty much was a privy retirement home, im talking about some of the members were coders before the h card days...... These guys were the elite of the elite in their day, along with some of the elite of today, as well as alot of moderating staff from other sites visiting. You only got there if you were well known in the community, or someone was willing to risk their membership by inviting you.

Thank You and it still exists too

[HCCAfan]

hahaha, out of the woodwork he comes :) how u been? hitting u up on pm so you know who i am/was on your site....

[Bandit5906]

Must be an inside (f card or battery) joke?

[Praxis]

Well I think everyone knows that something big is coming down from Dish/Bell before/on this Sunday. Whenever they are about to strike they go quiet & stop rolling keys so no new scripts will come out in order to ECM the hell out of us. I sure am glad that mostly all testing platforms are up and running for me to take my rom102 out and test with something else.

Im sure everyone knows that By Sunday most if not all testing devices will be down.

[satnutzz]

......I just hope to see Lesner Saturday :eek: ...............

[A-Team]

......I just hope to see Lesner Saturday :eek: ...............yo that's gonna be fn sick.:eek:

[knarf]

Is the hu down too?

[POLTERGEIST]

Well I think everyone knows that something big is coming down from Dish/Bell before/on this Sunday. Whenever they are about to strike they go quiet & stop rolling keys so no new scripts will come out in order to ECM the hell out of us. I sure am glad that mostly all testing platforms are up and running for me to take my rom102 out and test with something else.

Im sure everyone knows that By Sunday most if not all testing devices will be down.

Funny you mention that. I found this info on another site.......

Quote:
"Sorry to bring the bad news but today charlie has put a new mecmX60 on map 4E and this time with 8 divider (8 timers. he is doubling the timers each time). Expect things to go black probably by tomorrow afternoon. Record and enjoy tv as much as you can. I just hope the emu will come to stop this insane weekly charlie ecms."

[Bandit5906]

The sky is falling!

Run!

[HCCAfan]

Funny you mention that. I found this info on another site.......

Quote:
"Sorry to bring the bad news but today charlie has put a new mecmX60 on map 4E and this time with 8 divider (8 timers. he is doubling the timers each time). Expect things to go black probably by tomorrow afternoon. Record and enjoy tv as much as you can. I just hope the emu will come to stop this insane weekly charlie ecms."

i gotta help out your incorrect statement....
everything but plastic will go black....

[Bandit5906]

And private!

[Caddylover]

hehehehe, uh huh.


ever notice that everytime Fab5 comes out with a fix that there is some sort of countermeasure? Coincidence?? me thinks not.

HCCAfan, jump in anytime. I respect your philosophy. Better PVR some more shit before my ARM goes black.

I heard that Viewsat has all the map calls and will have a fix by this Sunday...LMAO.

[gallo55]

Is the hu down too?
rofl ... I'm still laughing lol

Thanks Knarf

[HCCAfan]

hehehehe, uh huh.


ever notice that everytime Fab5 comes out with a fix that there is some sort of countermeasure? Coincidence?? me thinks not.

HCCAfan, jump in anytime. I respect your philosophy. Better PVR some more shit before my ARM goes black.

I heard that Viewsat has all the map calls and will have a fix by this Sunday...LMAO.

im just a very good observer, not a coder by any means :) as for dn bouncing back, its always been cat and mouse with em. they release a lil at a time to see if they can defeat us. they always have more tricks up their sleeve, i think that even they are learning how to implement them tho to maximize effect. this new mecm isnt going to be too much trouble for plastic, since we are not emulating, as long as you are rolling. If you are not rolling, its gonna be a busy night for your iso.... and i sure wouldnt be the first one to try an auto-roll blocker u dont trust. its all testing, and a matter of what your willing to lose.

as for what the future holds, its gonna get crazy. if I knew the processing power and capabilities of charlie's ird's, i could speculate more about ird's handling more of the mecm process, which would wipe out fta till they emulated a DN ird and DN plastic together. as far as i can tell, charlies eggs are all in one basket (rom cards). If I were to be in their shoes, i would try to get the ird to handle some of the work, so both are needed to get video, instead of simple handshaking & passing the mecm thru. alot more could be done if they started thinking outside of the damn box, or should i say rom card.....

I hope that fab5 can keep his product working thru all this, because that leaves us alot more options. guess time will tell.....