America is stuffed with fools?!?!?!?

[mili]

You MUST watch this movie.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
Something your goverment dones not want you to see! It is a bypartisan movie. You must act now.
http://freedomtofascism.com/
You don't have to pay your Federal taxes, there is NO LAW that says you have to. The Federal Income Tax is ILLEGAL! What a bunch of bullshit. I am no American but this boils my blood.

mili

[skyhawkone]

I'm not a fan of the US political system but this video about income tax and the Federal Reserve is mostly BS. Both are necessary parts of the modern economics. This is why every developed country has taxes and a central bank (to regulate money supply).

[mili]

Bullshit. The money goes to pay interest to the Federal Reserve a PRIVATE BANK if you did not know. What you are saying is a MYTH.

mili

[skinerd]

Maybe we don't "have to pay" tell that to the guys sitting in jail now for failure to pay.

[skyhawkone]

What I am saying that the Federal Reserve (Fed) was created to perform key economic functions. It's not a big scam. Money is life blood of the economy. The Fed has the power to create and regulate the money supply to achieve sustainable growth without high inflation.

Check out this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

Skip to the sections "Goals of monetary policy" and "Tools of monetary policy".

Canada and most developed contries have similar systems.

It's one of the reasons we have high living standard and it's impossible for the Great Depression to happen again.


Bullshit. The money goes to pay interest to the Federal Reserve a PRIVATE BANK if you did not know. What you are saying is a MYTH.

mili

[mili]

Do you believe what you are saying? The depression was artificially created by guess who? The Federal Reserve. If the USD was on gold standard there would be no inflation unless gold suddenly lost its value. The reason I gave this thread such an outrageous title was to get people watch the movie and joing the group that is trying to do something about the banks robbing you blind. Forget the dogma you have been fed all your life and open you eyes. You are being taxed to death and illegaly only to pay off interests on a worthless dollar to a group of bankers who play chess with your lives.

mili

[chemlab]

Sorry, Title 26 of the United States Code (list of general and permanent laws passed by congress) is also known as "the internal revenue code" and in that code, section 1 states explicitly that every individual pay income tax.

Every wacky stupid claim you can think of (including a guy who claimed the courts couldn't make him pay taxes because the american flag they had hanging had a yellow fringe on it, making it a maritime flag, and so the court has no juristiction over him) has been tried and shot down. The law is clear in wording and intent, and it is backed up by no less than 50 federal court decisions.


You don't have to pay your Federal taxes, there is NO LAW that says you have to. The Federal Income Tax is ILLEGAL!

[skinerd]

Do you believe what you are saying? The depression was artificially created by guess who? The Federal Reserve. If the USD was on gold standard there would be no inflation unless gold suddenly lost its value. The reason I gave this thread such an outrageous title was to get people watch the movie and joing the group that is trying to do something about the banks robbing you blind. Forget the dogma you have been fed all your life and open you eyes. You are being taxed to death and illegaly only to pay off interests on a worthless dollar to a group of bankers who play chess with your lives.

mili

While there is truth to this, there is very little we can do about it, It has become so engrained in us it is us.

[tvcoyote]

I'm not a fan of our current tax code and believe that a flat user tax would be the only fair tax. That being said, what is needed is ideas to overcome these hurdles, not name calling. And while income taxes may or may not be illegal, it is in fact punishable by imprisonment not to pay them. And Mili, if the american dollar is so worthless, why do you waste your time selling products that are marketed almost exclusively for the use of people living in the U.S. (i.e. dicknetwork)??? Just my two cents (used to be two dollars. LOL)

[Crazy1_79]

I knew of this being true some time ago. I met a man who wrote a book that was fictional but had many non fictional backgrounds to it and this was one of them. Had information of peeps to contact in case you wanted to take action and no longer have to pay taxes. I always figured why take a spotlight in the goverments eyes when I have never been the greatest law abiding citizen anyway. lol

[Jimmyboy]

For myself and my family.. I am happy to be able to pay my taxes every year. And proud to do it. I am priviliged to live in this country. How wonderful it is to not have to live in one of the many countries that have half the population trying to get here to live...
I have traveled to countries that have lower taxes...and am always excited to get back the USA.
As for a flat or "fair" tax... Nope! the tax would be on what was spent and not on what was earned.. So folks that earn a whole lot would be able to keep most of it untaxed.. After a few years the USA would look like Mexico...where the upper class pays little more than anyone else.. so the money in the country would become concentrated into a few upper class familys.
No, our tax system is keeping us all more equal than any supposedly "fair" tax would.
J.

[Twostep]

I'm thinking of inviting Wesley Snipes to this forum. :eek:

You can't evade taxes in the United States of America, I don't care how private the Federal Reserve is, how you think the dollar should be backed (personally I thought the gold standard was a good thing) or how widespread the collusion among bankers. You defraud the IRS, you pay the price. Legal or not.

For what it's worth, I'd vote for dismantling the IRS and enacting a national sales tax in a heartbeat.

[JT]

....

For what it's worth, I'd vote for dismantling the IRS and enacting a national sales tax in a heartbeat.


I hadn't thought about that option as an alternative until just now, but there may be a lot of merit to the notion. You're always good at getting the thought process oiled up twostep. :) Bet it wouldn't be a small sales tax though, and you know sales taxes affect the rich more than the poor right?:)

[skinerd]

Sweden and Denmark have extremely high income taxes, like 50%, for all workers, are they better off than we are, shit no.
I know a security agent for Delta airlines, lives on the second or third floor of an apartment building, in Denmark, with one bathroom PER FLOOR. All he can afford and his wife works too.


Some USA states have no state income taxes, TX is one, why can't the federal gvnmt do something similiar.

[ruciz]

2 hrs??? are you fuckin serious here?!?

Ah, its all propaganda.. everything. even propaganda.

See the problem with not paying our taxes is they won't be able to afford to run the jail we would all be sent to. Soo.. how they gonna solve that one?

[mikepr]

I know my taxes in Canada here fuels the free health care we receive..the unemployement for people that have lost their jobs..the gas tax is a bit high but it goes to our roads etc....if you dont want to pay taxes fine but dont complain about more people iliving n the streets...the garbage laying in the streets.....no police.....no fire.....no swimming pools..no parks ..no schools( a big tax dollar eater)etc etc...film is pure B.S and propaganda

[tvcoyote]

Jimmyboy,
When I mentioned a "flat" tax, I called it a "flat user" tax, meaning you would pay tax based on how much you spent. In this senario, the more wealthy someone is, the more tax they pay because they spend more money on more expensive things, they already have ways to avoid paying tax on what they "earn". Problem solved.

[Jimmyboy]

TVCoyote It is easly assumed that the rich spend all their money and hence would pay equal taxes as the poor do. However as it takes about the same amount of money to live on for either the rich or the poor, little more taxes would be collected from one or the other.. And the ULTRA rich would live almost tax free compared to their present tax status.
Although few if any have paused to actually THINK about it... What we have now is a glorified sales tax.. As we all know, anything purchased pays a proffit for the many companies involved in the manufactoring of that product, and as each of those companies pays it's taxes, the taxes have been collected from the final sale of the certain product to the final user.. So in effect sales taxes are supporting our country at this time.. THINK ABOUT IT...
What we do NOT want to happen is for the ultra rich to become even richer due to a different tax structure..
Mexico is the closest example I can give. A country where the ultra rich are so greatly seperated from the common person. Where the money is KEPT by the ultra rich and not spent improving the country by increasing the taxes of the rich.
No I am highly in favor of keeping our tax structure and also in keeping the "death tax".
J.

[Twostep]

Bet it wouldn't be a small sales tax though, and you know sales taxes affect the rich more than the poor right?:)

Hey, JT...:)

Yeah, it would, but in my feeble mind it seems a really fair way to tax folks. But there's two heads to this monster, and that's excessive government spending. Streamlining the way the US collects taxes means nothing unless government is responsible with the money. I've read where individual income taxes collected in the USA during a one-year period amount to approximately 1 trillion dollars. Government's spent every dime of that plus about what, 9 trillion more (the current national debt) in the past few years.

Thanks, Bush Administration and Congress, for fucking off our money, our kids' money, our Social Security and damn near everything else.:mad: No wonder congressional approval is in the teens. Yeah, this old conservative is actually tired of Washington politics and the current leaders. I have no idea how to change things, other than help vote the bastards out of office...years and years and years of old habits and corruption ain't gonna die easy.

Or let Hillary fix it all. :rolleyes:

[A-Team]

100 years from now this wont make a difference in any of our lives.;)

[skinerd]

Oh hell yes, let's keep the same system we have now.

It seems only fair that a business earn money which is taxed, pay their employees, who are taxed, employess spend money so other businesses will make money to be taxed so the can pay their employees who are taxed, etc, etc, and of course, etc..

Plum stupid system IMHO.

[fubr]

Oh hell yes, let's keep the same system we have now.

It seems only fair that a business earn money which is taxed, pay their employees, who are taxed, employess spend money so other businesses will make money to be taxed so the can pay their employees who are taxed, etc, etc, and of course, etc..

Plum stupid system IMHO.Dont forget, If you got a "tax refund" you have to pay taxes on that too next time you file, after all it is income right?

fucking idiots we are

[rg6a]

I'm thinking of inviting Wesley Snipes to this forum. :eek:

You can't evade taxes in the United States of America, I don't care how private the Federal Reserve is, how you think the dollar should be backed (personally I thought the gold standard was a good thing) or how widespread the collusion among bankers. You defraud the IRS, you pay the price. Legal or not.

For what it's worth, I'd vote for dismantling the IRS and enacting a national sales tax in a heartbeat.

LOL, Snipes got involved with that anarchist group and now he's on the hook for about $30M (which he doesn't have)!

Folks, it's in the Constitution....16th amendment. Our Laws are based on that scrap of paper, so unfortunately Americans have to pay income tax. That's the bottomline, no ifs or buts.

Only problem is the more money we give to the Gov't., the more they spend. :-(

[skinerd]

Only problem is the more money we give to the Gov't., the more they spend. :-(


Yes, and they spend it so wisely too.......lol.......

[skinerd]

Dont forget, If you got a "tax refund" you have to pay taxes on that too next time you file, after all it is income right?



No, not true, federal refunds are not taxable as income. They are refunds of money that you overpayed, which has already been taxed.

[spanga]

what irks me is i get taxed when i earn money and taxed when i spend it....taxed twice on same dollar........for fawks sake PICK ONE!

[mili]

How many of you in this thread actually watched this movie?

mili

[MarvinGardens]

No, not true, federal refunds are not taxable as income. They are refunds of money that you overpayed, which has already been taxed.

True, however state refunds on overpaid state taxes are taxable by the Feds (only if you itemize).

And yes Mili, I did watch the video. Is it time to revolt?

[macrex]

You MUST watch this movie.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
Something your goverment dones not want you to see! It is a bypartisan movie. You must act now.
http://freedomtofascism.com/
You don't have to pay your Federal taxes, there is NO LAW that says you have to. The Federal Income Tax is ILLEGAL! What a bunch of bullshit. I am no American but this boils my blood.

mili I don't know about America being stuffed with fools but here in Canada we have a lot of government crooks and fools stuffed with our money.

[skinerd]

I don't know about America being stuffed with fools but here in Canada we have a lot of government crooks and fools stuffed with our money.
Government corruption is Universal.......pretty much can figure most high level government officials are, to some extent, on the take, or taking advantage of their position to make some seroius $$..

[ruciz]

I know my taxes in Canada here fuels the free health care we receive..the unemployement for people that have lost their jobs..the gas tax is a bit high but it goes to our roads etc....if you dont want to pay taxes fine but dont complain about more people iliving n the streets...the garbage laying in the streets.....no police.....no fire.....no swimming pools..no parks ..no schools( a big tax dollar eater)etc etc...film is pure B.S and propaganda

Yes. We do get free healthcare thats rediculously slow.
Yes we do have Unemployment (or EI) for those who lost their jobs to go on while tracking down another job.
But I don't agree with you on all aspects. Cops turn blind eye to a lot of things in my area, theres garbage bins everywhere that are stock full and not cleaned so more garbage everywhere. Theres no parks or swimming pools that are open for public use (or even decent skating arenas this time of year) public schools are mainly a baby-sitter while working folk make money....

But my BIG issue is this:

For those who never even bothered to get a job and just live off EI, going to the bars and smoking their dope and crack cocaine is what I don't get...

Personally anyone living off EI for over a 3 month span should have to be screened for drugs, and if they are found using while unemployed, they should have their unemployment revoked and be thrown into a rehab center...
I work on oil fields and HAVE to do random drug screening to keep my job because its dangerous. They don't want strung out users fucking shit up. So I agree to this so I can make money, so they can tax it, I bring home just a touch over half my gross wage every pay.. The other half is taxed so they can give that money to some lazy drunk to buy more dope with... I think that is just flawed.. but then again who am I to say?? Maybe I should just start doin a few lines out at the club some weekend, fail my screening, get fired and live like them!!

I never watched it mili.. I had 10 min to watch a 2 hr movie. Wasn't going to happen. I wil fire it up on the wii and give it a listen tho..

[HCCAfan]

i watched the movie, and i feel its just more propaganda like the 9-11 theory. Its easy to sway peoples thoughts in a one sided conversation, pulling quotes out of context to fit their point. Do you think these people are the first who ever thought of this, and are trying to show us the light? shit, i doubt it. using the power of the internet has helped them bring their voice to many more people than they could have in the past, but it doesnt make it true no matter how many people believe in it.

[skinerd]

Turns we have been lied to in more ways than one.

hxxp://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htm

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note, no I don't believe the wold is flat, but the Flat World has "proof" that it is......................lol..........

[badger6]

Same thing I was talking about a month ago, http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=469676&postcount=60 .

The only thing that will fix this country is a revolution and the people take back the country. Welcome to slavery my friends !!!

[whitestuff]

not federal but state refunds are taxable income(which is utter crap). also, i believe it is ron paul's(L) stance to abolish income tax altogether and raise sales tax by 2% with the reasoning that eveyone pays sales tax. and the more you make the more you spend so... the more you are taxed of course! not a half bad idea unless you prefer to fly under the radar

[Jimmyboy]

Sounds good don't it whitestuff? What about the guy that now pays 35% taxes on a million dollars a year.. When he only pays a 2% sales tax on say $500,000 he spenmds annually he will get a lot of savings won't he.. Now who is going to pick up the 32% that he didn't pay? Any new flat or sales tax is making the rich get richer..
J.

[whitestuff]

that is the point. anyone not currently paying income tax for whatever reason, flying under the radar, illigal alien, etc., will pick it up. i suppose you are right in that there is no solution that will make everyone happy.

[badger6]

The point is not about what form of federal tax we pay. The point is that the federal taxs we pay only pays the interest from the federal reserve bank. Why the hell is a private bank printing and backing our money ??? Isn't that the govenments job ??? Politicians sold this country to the bankers and big business a long time ago !!!

[Rampage]

Sorry, Title 26 of the United States Code (list of general and permanent laws passed by congress) is also known as "the internal revenue code" and in that code, section 1 states explicitly that every individual pay income tax.

Every wacky stupid claim you can think of (including a guy who claimed the courts couldn't make him pay taxes because the american flag they had hanging had a yellow fringe on it, making it a maritime flag, and so the court has no juristiction over him) has been tried and shot down. The law is clear in wording and intent, and it is backed up by no less than 50 federal court decisions.

Ahhh. an educated man :)

[gallo55]

ruciz (http://www.dssftp.com/forum/member.php?u=30241) wrote: Personally anyone living off EI for over a 3 month span should have to be screened for drugs, and if they are found using while unemployed, they should have their unemployment revoked and be

Do you realize that EI is paid by you and you're employer NOT THE GOVERNMENT.
and if want to collect it why not. All the money that is paid into EI should be returned to you when you retire with interest. IT's your money

[Jimmyboy]

I know nothing bout Canada but in the states the previous employer pays unemployment all by himself.. Granted it goes thru the unemployment office but it is wholly paid by the previous employer.. I have had some experience with this :)
J.

[mikepr]

Well you must live in a pretty shitty area ruciz ..becasue in my city and all the towns nearby the trash is collected the roads arnt in that bad of shape and you need to be certified to guard the pools..I have two kids so I am there frequently..As for the wait in health care..Yeah there may be some wait time...but again I have never had a problem with me and my family..there is always going to be imperfections in the system...I hate paying taxes as the next person..but if you dont pay them ....then we will be the ones suffering the consquences...If you want to go after some one go after the CEO's of the banks that rape people on interest rates /mortagegs ets etc or the CEOS of the oil companines who are raping us at the pumps....

[skinerd]

It's real easy mike, interest rates to high? Don't borrow money. Gas too high, don't buy gas. Free market economy applies to those guys too.

[mikepr]

Absolutly applies to those guys...but to what extent...


.Fourth-quarter profit at Imperial Oil Ltd. rose 12 per cent on higher oil prices, Canada's largest producer and refiner said Thursday. Imperial, known for its national chain of Esso gas stations and dominant oil sands and heavy oil business, earned $886-million, or 96 cents a share, up from a year-earlier $794-million, or 83 cents.
The profit beat an average estimate of 84 cents a share among analysts polled by Reuters Estimates.
Revenue rose 22 per cent to $6.7-billion from $5.5-billion.
Full-year profit was a record $3.19-billion, or $3.41 a share, up 4.7 per cent from $3.04-billion, or $3.11.

When oil/bank owners award themselves 10-20 million bonuses,,thats where the free market ends and the raping of consumers start.. Now think of when one of those corner gas stations raise their price by 15 cents a liter..within the hour all the gas stations in the city are at that price..Its called price gouging.....an illegal practice thats been brought to the attention of the governments before...But then again these politicians with oil dripping hands always overlook it..nothing like a good kickback...free enterprise or free raping?

[skinerd]

..nothing like a good kickback...free enterprise or free raping?
There again, nothing says you have to be gouged, just don't buy it.
Get a fuel efficient car, get a bicycle, walk, whatever.

[Jimmyboy]

Hey Mike Thanks for the post. I think I will buy some oil stock, Thataway I'll be paying myself every time I purchase gasoline.
As for the ceo's paying themselves big bucks.. Maybe we should apply for the job? But prolly like profesional baseball...we can't do that job either...whataya think?
J.

[skinerd]

European gasoline prices average the equilivant of $7 to $8 a gallon, same thing could happen here. Shit I remember paying $0.30 a gallon now it is >10x that.

[mikepr]

What is the ave price for gas in the U.S now by the way..I have to make a trip to the outlaws in Michigan......Im sitting at 98 cents a litre here

[skinerd]

What is the ave price for gas in the U.S now by the way..I have to make a trip to the outlaws in Michigan......Im sitting at 98 cents a litre here


Here it is $2.80- $2.90 I was in Pennsylvania last week, it was $3.05-$3.15, a gallon.

[tvcoyote]

What about the guy that now pays 35% taxes on a million dollars a year.

I dunno Jimmyboy, it's starting to sound like you're defending the wealthy position on this one:rolleyes:. While I personally don't make a million dollars a year, I have 7 personal friends who do, and not one of them pays even half that percentage in tax. The more money a person has, the more ways there are to protect it. And think about it, while someone with a million dollar income might only pay tax on the 500,000 he spends, us poor folks could be thrifty and spend very little and pay only a fraction of what we now pay.

[Zim]

Ahhh....no matter what this is going to keep happening......(my 2 cents)..I will for no reason get that silly chip though... and if forced just (glitch it) and see what happens...lol!!!!....maybe shoot microwaves at it....may hurt a bit though

[JT]

Back to the original topic of "America is filled with fools"....well mili, look who was "elected" president. Sure he lost the popular vote, but he's still the dolt in office.:D :cool:

[skinerd]

Lost popular vote JT? No, he got the most votes ever for a president.

I think a lot of votes were not as much in favor of Bush as they were against Kerry.

Bush 62,000,00 to Kerry's 59,000,000.

Look it up.

h**p://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/

[mili]

My goal with the subject of this thread was to catch your attention and get you to wtch the movie. The more $ you got the better ways to hide it and never pay taxes on it. The more money you got the more expensive and bigger shit you will buy and if they tax goods you WILL pay more taxes. I think the US would be better off without this illegal income tax shit which if you watch the movie you will see was never ratified by the requied number of states.
Gas here is $4.77/G today. Luckily $70 worth of gas lasts me two weeks since the island is small.

mili

[HCCAfan]

My goal with the subject of this thread was to catch your attention and get you to wtch the movie. The more $ you got the better ways to hide it and never pay taxes on it. The more money you got the more expensive and bigger shit you will buy and if they tax goods you WILL pay more taxes. I think the US would be better off without this illegal income tax shit which if you watch the movie you will see was never ratified by the requied number of states.
Gas here is $4.77/G today. Luckily $70 worth of gas lasts me two weeks since the island is small.

mili

i think if you did a little more research other than just watching a propaganda movie, you would see its a bullshit arguement. Tax laws are real, there might be write-off loop-holes, but income tax is law.

Sorry, im not sheep like the ones you preach about at rtx....

[alsouthster]

I've seen this film and find it interesting but delusional.
If you want to see some arguments against it, check the "tax protester faq." It's a massive rebuttal of the many bizarre types of arguments people have used to try to get out of paying their taxes.
hxxp://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html
True, it was written by a tax lawyer lol
But also true, he knows way more about this shit than the layman, or the filmmaker Aaron Russo....
....and is the kind of person that the crown will use to put you in jail when you decide to not pay up.

[tvcoyote]

Lost popular vote JT? No, he got the most votes ever for a president.

I think a lot of votes were not as much in favor of Bush as they were against Kerry.

Bush 62,000,00 to Kerry's 59,000,000.

Look it up.

h**p://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/

I believe JT was refering to the 2000 election in which Al Gore won the popular vote, but luckily we were able to keep the stammering puppet anyway. :mad:

[JT]

I believe JT was refering to the 2000 election in which Al Gore won the popular vote, but luckily we were able to keep the stammering puppet anyway. :mad:

Yep, and we have Cathrine Harris to blame for it. She was secretary of state for Florida, which was at the same time governed by Jeb Bush, and she just also happened to be the president of the Florida committee to elect GWB. As secretary of state, one of Cathrine's jobs was to allot Florida's electoral votes. Now I ask you all, is that, or is that not, a conflict of interest? (rhetorical question, it is, but the American people let that BS stand, and it all comes back to us being idiots for not calling them all their BS) Mili had a point on more levels than he intended. In a very sad way, America has ended up with what it deserves. i.e.-A bunch of complacent bumbling idiots that are at the poverty level and actually competing with Mexicans for wages and health care.....but at least they vote Republican.......

[flashrom]

You know what, you don't have to pay the supermarket when you pick up a few apples either. My point is, even in "communist" countries, they have to pay taxes, imagine that. This "tax is illegal and thus don't have to pay" bs urban myth has been around for a long time. You can believe what you want, but to spread it around, to make claims that appear to almost sounding real and valid, and what? hoping that someone will buy it, and stop paying taxes to the government starting this year? Are you going to be more responsible than that? Especially as the mod / admin of a public forum?

[Jimmyboy]

Flashrom in communist countrys.. like Cuba... Everyone works for the goverment. ALL the money belongs to the goverment and is dolled out by it.
Recently China has allowed private business to flourish. I am not sure what if any taxes China collects.
J.

[whitestuff]

without tax dollars how will they pay for the chem trails?

[flashrom]

Basically, the communist countries is not the point (yes, they do have to pay income tax in China, I'm sure about that part, I don't know about Cuba). The point is that if someone is serious about a certain subject, like if tax by government (USA) is legal or not, then one should consult the legal community, i.e., the lawyers, not to watch some "movies". It's like if you want a DISH fix, you come here, and not go to see a Hollywood film, because you won't discover a fix by watching the movies, not even the one called Hackers. You go to the experts for what you want to find out. Here there are some experts on sat cracking, and that's great. But if you want to find out about governments and laws then one should go to those areas. However, with all that said, it is still crazy to consider the suggestion in the thread.

I waited for better responses in the thread and that's why I didn't post earlier on, and hoping that some senses will come out of it. The point of the thread, if I read it correctly, is not that if we love or hate being taxed. Who doesn't want more money in our pockets, but a reasonable person should also understand that some things that we take for granted, are paid for from somewhere. For example, you weren't asked to pay for paving the road so you can walk or drive on it, and yet you can walk and drive on it without paying a fee (not directly). This is the tax dollars at work. But of course, in theory, you could be asked to pay $1. for every one mile you walk or drive, to cover the cost of paving the road, and maintaining the condition of the pavement. But the thread suggested that taxing is illegal. If it is illegal, then why wasn't it brought to the courts? As litigate happy as Americans, I'm sure it would have been attempted and won ages ago.

I'll be straight here. I hate being told lies, and I think the suggestion in the thread is one of them, and I think that really degrades the trust so far on this board,and that's why I am trying to provide some reasoning here. I have no quarrals with anyone on this board, certainly not hte admin or the mod, but I can't help responding to such a subject.

[realfire]

This is why the flat tax makes so much sense. Every household would get a deduction based on family size, but then every dollar of income above that level would be subject to tax. Such a system would ensure that the rich paid their “fair share,” but it would avoid the punitive tax rates that have caused so much economic misery in Europe. If you make twice as much as your neighbor, you pay twice as much tax. And if Bill Gates makes 10,000 times more than you, he pays 10,000 times more in tax. The flat tax could even have specific measures to make sure that rich people couldn’t evade taxes on dividends and interest. Taxes on these kinds of income would be withheld and paid by businesses and financial institutions.

Sound too good to be true? Well, it’s already working in many other nations. Hong Kong has had a flat tax for a long time and has boasted the world’s fastest growing economy for the past 50 years. Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia implemented flat taxes in the 1990s after getting their independence from the Soviet Union. They’ve been growing so fast that Russia decided to implement a 13 percent flat tax in 2001. Now Russia is booming, and Slovakia and Ukraine just adopted flat-tax systems as well.

Maybe it’s time for America to board the flat-tax bandwagon. It’s frustrating to see former communist nations adopt the flat tax while the United States struggles with an unfair tax system that combines the worst of class-warfare ideology and the worst of special-interest deal-making.

A flat tax wouldn’t be good news for everybody. Many IRS agents and tax lawyers would have to find new jobs. But that seems an acceptable price to free America of a broken tax system.

[Jimmyboy]

What the rich pay now is 35% taxes.. If a flat tax is in place either we ALL would have to pay the same 35% or if lowered the country's money would, over the years, become even more concentrated than it is now.
Surely you can't compare our economy and people with the countrys of the former USSR!
Around the world you may find many different tax systems.. BUT do you find a country like ours? ANYWHERE? No you won't. In it's present state we have the best tax system for our country.
These "other" methods have been put in place by former KGB gunmen, in the future we will see a lot more country failures from their tax structure.
New and different, don't mean BETTER!!
J.

[JT]

This is why the flat tax makes so much sense. Every household would get a deduction based on family size, but then every dollar of income above that level would be subject to tax. Such a system would ensure that the rich paid their “fair share,” but it would avoid the punitive tax rates that have caused so much economic misery in Europe. If you make twice as much as your neighbor, you pay twice as much tax. And if Bill Gates makes 10,000 times more than you, he pays 10,000 times more in tax. The flat tax could even have specific measures to make sure that rich people couldn’t evade taxes on dividends and interest. Taxes on these kinds of income would be withheld and paid by businesses and financial institutions.
Sound too good to be true? Well, it’s already working in many other nations. Hong Kong has had a flat tax for a long time and has boasted the world’s fastest growing economy for the past 50 years. Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia implemented flat taxes in the 1990s after getting their independence from the Soviet Union. They’ve been growing so fast that Russia decided to implement a 13 percent flat tax in 2001. Now Russia is booming, and Slovakia and Ukraine just adopted flat-tax systems as well.
Maybe it’s time for America to board the flat-tax bandwagon. It’s frustrating to see former communist nations adopt the flat tax while the United States struggles with an unfair tax system that combines the worst of class-warfare ideology and the worst of special-interest deal-making.
A flat tax wouldn’t be good news for everybody. Many IRS agents and tax lawyers would have to find new jobs. But that seems an acceptable price to free America of a broken tax system.

Nice post Realfire. Well said.

[realfire]

you must of missed this part, but I see a couple of your points

jimmy

This is why the flat tax makes so much sense. Every household would get a deduction based on family size, but then every dollar of income above that level would be subject to tax. Such a system would ensure that the rich paid their “fair share,” but it would avoid the punitive tax rates that have caused so much economic misery in Europe. If you make twice as much as your neighbor, you pay twice as much tax. And if Bill Gates makes 10,000 times more than you, he pays 10,000 times more in tax. The flat tax could even have specific measures to make sure that rich people couldn’t evade taxes on dividends and interest. Taxes on these kinds of income would be withheld and paid by businesses and financial institutions.

[realfire]

for the record I'm a social liberal, fiscal conservative who could
never vote for huckleberry & his form of the flat tax which helps the rich
with the sales tax & his social hogwash imo
Mr. Huckleberry may actually believe this & it concerns me, he very well may
become vice-president which scares me. I know this is off topic but he is pro flat tax.
The bible also states in the book of Revelation chapter 7 verse 1 that the Earth has four corners from which four angels will hold back four winds to prevent them from blowing on the land or sea during the time of the apocalypse.
The bible goes on to say in the book of Joshua chapter 10 that the sun rotates around the Earth, for in verse 12 Joshua prays for more sunlight in order to slaughter the Amorites and the lord commands the sun to stand still and not the earth.

here you go, very entertaining & funny imo
http://xxx.youtube.com/watch?v=N7xgtAWfSWM