New Dishnet MECM

[mili]

They are timing like 10 Map calls in a row and looping through the process several times to prevent brute force. Map3B is one of the maps being timed. Expect extended downtime for all emulation devices. I think they figured out that anything less than that will be brute forced in a matter of minutes.

mili

[ka2002]

I'm up all chs with 2/6/08 patch and the new 106 keys

[treo650]

@ ka2002

mili said EMULATION devices, not plastics

[retiredguy]

Well, if timing one map call was not bad enough, the latest Dish MECM requires emulators to time map calls 0x02, 0x07, 0x3B, 0x1C, 0x29 and 0x0B. Map 0x3B is the tough one - similar to Map 0x57 timing in early January which wreaked havoc on the FTA community. The others are just there to complicate matters. Brute force fixes are impossible because they loop through four times instead of just once as they did with the Map 0x57. Coders are already musing that this is the hardest hurdle they have faced thus far. It seems for the moment coders have their backs to the wall. Expect ExpressVu to implement this new code within 24hrs. Expect major down time across N. America on all emulator platforms.

Guess it is a ROM102, ROM103 or nothing. I would expect PGM to release a new version of st19xl, but you can best believe it won't work without a real aux card.

if you are going to cut and paste someone's front page news, at least give the original poster credit.

[gobtool]

Best site I've seen Milli, have been here a while but never said thanks directly. Good job. Whatever happens, thanks for the good times. PGM is the top of the list. If it's possible, he will make it work.

[seaboard18]

Well, if timing one map call was not bad enough, the latest Dish MECM requires emulators to time map calls 0x02, 0x07, 0x3B, 0x1C, 0x29 and 0x0B. Map 0x3B is the tough one - similar to Map 0x57 timing in early January which wreaked havoc on the FTA community. The others are just there to complicate matters. Brute force fixes are impossible because they loop through four times instead of just once as they did with the Map 0x57. Coders are already musing that this is the hardest hurdle they have faced thus far. It seems for the moment coders have their backs to the wall. Expect ExpressVu to implement this new code within 24hrs. Expect major down time across N. America on all emulator platforms.

Guess it is a ROM102, ROM103 or nothing. I would expect PGM to release a new version of st19xl, but you can best believe it won't work without a real aux card.

Does that mean we are totally fucked now? Maybe 2 to 3 days max - everything will be back up.

[Dragster]

There starting to flex there muscles a little more,i wonder when they will try to speed up the data stream on fta.

[smilingjack]

VS and Pansat back up now. Digger at RTX posted all these fixes. That proves that someone there has the maprom.

[Hobie]

What is RTX? can you post a link?

[spiderwoman]

VS and Pansat back up now. Digger at RTX posted all these fixes. That proves that someone there has the maprom.

I have a Pansat 2500 -2700 conversion...Does this note above mean there is a fix for it....If so, can you please tell me where I can find it... Checked the download section...only saw a BEV fix there...

thanks guys!

[bud02]

Little C/P from another site

0x02 - set operand size
0x07 - load mapregD
0x1C - copy mapregister to mapregister
0x29 - already known
0x0B - dump mapregB

That leaves map3b as the only one that needs to be figured out as far as timing....

Sounded a bit like the sky was falling for a second....lol

sLaShEr.

and an other

Current fixes rely on brute force attacks. While you can brute force one or two you can't brute force 10 rounds of timing in time. The processors of FTA and emulator cards are not fast enough. The only FTA up are the ones that use Internet Key Sharing.

PKD

[Morphius]

Little C/P from another site

0x02 - set operand size
0x07 - load mapregD
0x1C - copy mapregister to mapregister
0x29 - already known
0x0B - dump mapregB

That leaves map3b as the only one that needs to be figured out as far as timing....

Sounded a bit like the sky was falling for a second....lol

sLaShEr.

and an other

Current fixes rely on brute force attacks. While you can brute force one or two you can't brute force 10 rounds of timing in time. The processors of FTA and emulator cards are not fast enough. The only FTA up are the ones that use Internet Key Sharing.

PKD



Stolen From Card Coders .

Dude, at least give credit where credit is due. AND currently there is NO FTA fixes for Viewsat or Pansat ..... those are OLD Bev fixes from a few days ago.

:cool:

[Morphius]

VS and Pansat back up now. Digger at RTX posted all these fixes. That proves that someone there has the maprom.



Where did you get that info ? There is no fix for those FTA's at the Fileshop.

:confused:

[johnnyjam]

Sasc-sc (linux) is back up (for many hours) with minor freezing issues. I would expect emunation to be up next, as usual. So much for the doomsday predictions.

[DNorrisRay]

I did not even know it skipped a beat still going here. rom 102 :D

[McLovin]

Sasc-sc (linux) is back up (for many hours) with minor freezing issues. I would expect emunation to be up next, as usual. So much for the doomsday predictions.

is sasc-sc (linux) dreambox stuff?

[Dragster]

is sasc-sc (linux) dreambox stuff?I just noticed your picture,funny stuff,all the woman on this site will be after you now.Have a good one.

[Canadian Ice]

first release is out..rest of the fixes will follow

[wallbird]

Cw hd released image,bev and dik are up.

[cerebral]

The cnx line of fta released the d!sh fix at 5:45 pm Est

[HCCAfan]

now thats what i call extended down time !!!! Less than 24 hours, nice job fta!!

Hows the usb 256 atmega coming along?
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[cerebral]

Nothing yet for the atmega 256 but im sure Fab will release his fix soon

[realest]

LOL so much for those who wish the END of FTA.

IMHO, FTA is not going anywhere till they make a major hardware change.

[HCCAfan]

fta has too much revenue to not stay in the ball game, too much to lose. I dont expect anything to change in the days ahead, except fta end users might need to upgrade their equipment to keep watching..... thats where us plastic users have the advantage, no need to upgrade till dish does.

[clauderacing]

something for bev atmgea128?

[althor123]

pansat files are out. B*V only

[mili]

Indeed it seems this one is just another lamer despite all the hype.

mili

[papasfritas]

yeah all the hype but dont tell me that fta has all the map calls or solutions, all the fixes for fta comes after dvb comes with the solution!!!

[HCCAfan]

i think dish fucked themselves on this, instead of dropping all map calls on us at once, they played with one and then played with the next, seeing if the next map call would keep us out. in turn it gave us a learning curve, it let us see what it was doing, learn from it, and then adjust. i dont know how long we woulda been down if they woulda did the multiple timed map calls to us first.
if your not following my theory, think of a person stuck inside a 55 gallon barrel with only a spoon. dish throws a cup of water into it 1 time a day, so you have plenty of time to scoop all that water out before the next cup hit. had they just filled the barrel the first time and possibly kept filling, you woulda seen alot of people having a bad couple months till coders could figure out all the shit going on... dish coulda then profited maybe from those waiting for tv to actually sub during the down time so it wasnt totally dark on their tv....
I refuse to believe that their SI is learning this card as we progress. This isnt rocket science, the card has its boundries and each one of their si guys SHOULD know exactly how to exploit it/make it work. Makes me wonder if they just know they are fuckered with this card and cant do anything to really stop it, that would be the only explanation i can think of to their total lack of abilities to ecm......

[Tom2004]

They are timing like 10 Map calls in a row and looping through the process several times to prevent brute force. Map3B is one of the maps being timed. Expect extended downtime for all emulation devices. I think they figured out that anything less than that will be brute forced in a matter of minutes.

mili

Well Sonicview just released fixes for both providers so they are going to have to go back to their think tank. This ECM was really nothing concerning.

[spanga]

i've thought along the same lines HCCA......if they had put in the current timed MAP calls c/w a blocker initiated looping routine right from the get go when they did the initial card swap, things sure be different now.......ah well, maybe next time.....lol

[ruciz]

Maybe they should cut their losses and start learning their next card incriment now so they have a 1-up on the coders come swap time...

[luap50]

Guys, find something to do. You're giving them ideas!

[Tom2004]

If they have to come here for ideas they should be fired. They all must have FTA's themselves at home!

[mili]

They are a bunch of incompetent idiots. If they worked for you I bet you would long have fired them.

mili

[johnnyjam]

I suppose if you assume that they are doing this to get new subs, then these arguements are valid. However, if you change your assumption, and know that they do this to satisfy the MPAA, and providers like HBO/Showtime, then they are providing due diligence to these agencies that insist upon their programming being delivered via secure platform in order to protect royalties. I dont think sat/cable companies care as much about new subscribers, as they do about companies like HBO, and the MPAA withdrawing their services, or suing them.

[spanga]

due diligence?.......who signed that definition of what's been going on?........given that plastic was unlocked way early in the n2 game, plastic and iks woulda been the only things up for quite some time.......maybe pure emulation could have stumbled across something by now but if the MAP had been brought into the game way early, there sure woulda been alot of head scratching......having said that, i can't ignore that alot of info right at the instroke may have been leaked or purchased and perhaps the MAP may have gone that route if required right off the hop

[Tom2004]

Who cares at this point, hope those capable of making all this happen as it has will continue forever, and are already working on N3 which is all ready deployed in other parts of the world. Taht and onion peeling the new cards out or as they come out.

[McLovin]

(not making excuses for chuckles) but it's easy to have hindsight.

you wanna keep something in your back pocket in case you need it.

chucky tv had no reason to believe that his map info would have been sold to the highest bidder.

[ansul101]

well the arm is back up on dish lol that was about 12 hours this time yaaannnn

[Spike1]

Is your arm up or down????;)

[lefty]

Is your arm up or down????;)

Mine is back up - DN 811 FW 86

[spiderwoman]

No pansat 2500 -2700 conversion dishnt fix yet eh??? Didnt see one...Just thought Id ask in case anyone has one

thanks guys

[wallbird]

Captive works linux came out before dvb.

[HCCAfan]

Captive works linux came out before dvb.

lets not turn this into a "my dick is bigger than your dick" type of thread plz.

kthnxbye.

[gradymeister]

new to fta world just got a viewsat extreme what is the first file i need?

[gradymeister]

any one listening? i am not sure how to get it started, my extreme.. a little help

[Chloraseptic]

post in the correct form, this is for latest news and developments, I dont think you getting a new "extreme" is News and or a development for us.

[althor123]

any one listening? i am not sure how to get it started, my extreme.. a little help

well considering he didnt take the .0001 second to read the title of the thread i guess him reading one of the thousands of howto guides for viewsat is completely out of the question.

[garysam]

Maybe Mili's racoon could help?

[A-Team]

He can bring his shoe's and glasses.;)

[johnnyjam]

Captive works linux came out before dvb.

Captive works and sasc (dvb) collaborate. In other words, they are essentially the same coder group... And sasc was up first...

[Fro66er]

I'm actually surprized they were able to take these FTA boxes that for the most part designed for the N1 stream, and get it working for the N2 stream. Charles spent millions on the card swap, only to have it comprimized and emulated on FTA again. This tells me that we have some very bright coders working on keeping these FTA boxes running. Good 'ol Chuck keeps throwing some pretty tough stuff trying to take FTA down, and again and again the coders come through with new bins. When the MAP routines were thrown into the N2 mix, that should have been the nail in the FTA coffin, but nope some bright people came through again.

What some people fail to realize is that dishb*v is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at us trying to take FTA down. FTA's popularity is only getting stronger, and it's in chucks best interest (as a business) to take FTA out of the "testing" arena. Sooner or later FTA will be taken down for good. Good things eventually come to an end. That's life!!

[havok]

yeah all the hype but dont tell me that fta has all the map calls or solutions, all the fixes for fta comes after dvb comes with the solution!!!

The end result is a working fix. Do you think anybody cares where the fix originated?

[dishuser]

yeah all the hype but dont tell me that fta has all the map calls or solutions, all the fixes for fta comes after dvb comes with the solution!!!Then why was DVB a day behind FTA 2 weeks ago?

[garysam]

Then why was DVB a day behind FTA 2 weeks ago?

Post #55 makes sense.

[dishuser]

Post #55 makes sense.It wasn't Captive Works that I was referring to beating DVB Emunation to a fix.;)

[garysam]

But it still makes sense. I'm sure that there is more coders engaging in "cross-platforms" that what we might think. If you're trying to make a living with a particular skill, you aren't going to turn down opportunities to fill the wallet. Captiveworks and VS seem to be the guys with the deep pockets for now, but that can change pretty quickly, too. It's not that DVB and FTA are a far stretch from each other.