will dave emu bord work

[budme]

i have a old emu bourd i used back in the day of emulating a h card will this work on todays dish setup

[havok]

what chips are on the board??? if you have an Atmel2313 you can use the one chip setup.

[budme]

one chip says max232n the other says7407

[Scoobydooo]

i have a old emu bourd i used back in the day of emulating a h card will this work on todays dish setup

Will not work.

Dish emu-boards have an extra chip, (atmel) to change the baud rate of the serial port. You would have to use a modified serial port, (change the xtal on the serial board), to be able to use a dtv board with dish.

Scoob

[Scoobydooo]

one chip says max232n the other says7407

No, won't work.

Scoob

[budme]

the bourd looks like it has two atmels on it 4 capsitors and 2 resisters a red light and a green light and 9 pin sieral port thought i could just flash it or change atmel thank everybody 4 your input

[cover]

i have a old emu bourd i used back in the day of emulating a h card will this work on todays dish setup

The quick answer is probably not...

The longer answer is that parts of the H card emulator MAY work. It all depends on what you have. For example I have four of the Scorpion all-in-one boards by Red Wing. They have the emulator and the AUX card reader all on the same board with two serial connectors. The AUX card reader is actually an ISO card reader. Scorpion also made a wedge card which allowed running a 4 wire RJ11 type phone cord between the IRD and the emulator, so your emulator and PC could be located remotely from the IRD (up to 100 feet or so).

I'll take these one at a time...

The wedge card - it can not be used with dish as Dish uses five of the card contacts (with a MAXMEL) where DTV uses four (at least that's what is on the DTV wedge cards I have). However there are folks selling wedge cards for Dish with the five contacts brought out separately to the wedge card edge.

The emulator - this will not work as the Dish emulation uses a max/mel type of board which has a MAXim rs232 chip and an atMEL 2313 chip. But if you are ok with building a board with RadShack parts you can use the maxim RS232 chip in the MAXMEL. You can also buy one right here all ready built including the wedge card (look at the top of this page). Considering the amount of work and the price of all the parts, if they were available back then I would have just bought the MAXMEL.

The AUX (ISO) card reader - in the case of the Scorpion, the card reader part is crystal selectible for either DTV speed or Dish speed. So this part of the Scorpion emulator is usable for the st19 (PGMs) emulation as an AUX card reader.

I built my MAXMELs (four of them for Dish ROM10 CEMU emulation after the demise of the H card emulation and used one of the maxim RS232 chips from each of the Scorpions. That left the other half of the Scorpion boards usable for ISO card readers.

Today I use the MAXMELs I built back then and use the AUX card readers as my ISO readers and as my AUX card readers for st19 ROM102 emulation.

If you did H card emulation you already had the capability of flashing the atmel as you were doing that for your H card and HU card unlooper/loader. Probably a WildThing or a WildThing clone. To flash your atmel for your MAXMEL, just use your old unlooper/loader with the pluggable atmel and the UFP16 flash program to flash the atmels just like you did then.

Just to clarify - With the CEMU emulation, you would need only the MAXMEL, where with ST19 emulation, you would need a MAXMEL and an ISO card reader for the AUX card. That is because the CEMU emulation does not use an AUX card where the st19 usually does - at least in it's full implementation.

I know you need to get in the 'WAY-BACK' machine to remember all this H card stuff and ROM10 stuff, but it only took me about three weeks to catch up after getting stupid with FTA for almost three years.

Lots of folks here to help...

Cover

[budme]

yes ive been with fta for a few years now and got lazy im ready to start doing some real testing again think ill try a maxmel thanks for your help cover

[Scoobydooo]

The quick answer is probably not...

The longer answer is that parts of the H card emulator MAY work. It all depends on what you have. For example I have four of the Scorpion all-in-one boards by Red Wing. They have the emulator and the AUX card reader all on the same board with two serial connectors. The AUX card reader is actually an ISO card reader. Scorpion also made a wedge card which allowed running a 4 wire RJ11 type phone cord between the IRD and the emulator, so your emulator and PC could be located remotely from the IRD (up to 100 feet or so).

I'll take these one at a time...

The wedge card - it can not be used with dish as dish uses four of the card contacts where DTV uses three (at least that's what is on the DTV wedge cards I have). However there are folks selling wedge cards for Dish with the four contacts brought out separately to the wedge card edge.

The emulator - this will not work as the Dish emulation uses a max/mel type of board which has a MAXim rs232 chip and an atMEL chip. But if you are ok with building a board with RadShack parts you can use the maxim RS232 chip in the MAXMEL. You can also buy one right here all ready built including the wedge card (look at the top of this page). Considering the amount of work and the price of all the parts, if they were available back then I would have just bought the MAXMEL.

The AUX (ISO) card reader - in the case of the Scorpion, the card reader part is crystal selectible for either DTV speed or Dish speed. So this part of the Scorpion emulator is usable for the st19 (PGMs) emulation as an AUX card reader.

I built my MAXMELs (four of them for Dish ROM10 CEMU emulation after the demise of the H card emulation and used one of the maxim RS232 chips from each of the Scorpions. That left the other half of the Scorpion boards usable for ISO card readers.

Today I use the MAXMELs I built back then and use the AUX card readers as my ISO readers and as my AUX card readers for st19 ROM102 emulation.

If you did H card emulation you already had the capability of flashing the atmel as you were doing that for your H card and HU card unlooper/loader. Probably a WildThing or a WildThing clone. To flash your atmel for your MAXMEL, just use your old unlooper/loader with the pluggable atmel and the UFP16 flash program to flash the atmels just like you did then.

I know you need to get in the 'WAY-BACK' machine to remember all this, but it only took me about three weeks to catch up after getting stupid with FTA for almost three years.

Lots of folks here to help...

Cover

What the heck?:eek:

Who was asking about an 8 year old Scorpion Emu/Cardreader Combo?:confused:

You musta just felt like typing a book?

Thanks, we are all very impressed with your knowledge. :rolleyes:

Scoob

[fathead35]

I have a dave platinum3 universal emu board with a 2313 chip and a max232 chip . the chips are surface mount is it possible to flash the 2313 and if so what would be the best way to flash the 2313

[JT]

I have a dave platinum3 universal emu board with a 2313 chip and a max232 chip . the chips are surface mount is it possible to flash the 2313 and if so what would be the best way to flash the 2313

Is that 2313 chip socketed? If so, then pull the chip and insert it in a programmer and go.

[cover]

What the heck?:eek:

Who was asking about an 8 year old Scorpion Emu/Cardreader Combo?:confused:

You musta just felt like typing a book?

Thanks, we are all very impressed with your knowledge. :rolleyes:

Scoob

Thanks for your kind comments - however, the original poster, budme, who appreciated my comments, was the intended primary recipient of my answer.

I also wanted to cover multiple possibilities, for others who might read this thread and have other setups as there were several variations of the Scorpion type combo emulation board and wedge card, that were sold by others, all of which would get the same answer.

Thanks again for your comments.

Regards,
Cover

[Crazy1_79]

lol, yeah good to have a thorough answer. It can be done, modified serial card and cable. as mentioned earlier in teh post. have to change crystal for communication speed

[fathead35]

The 2313 is made on the board thats why i didnt know if there would be a way to flash it

[t160hq]

The quick answer is probably not...

The longer answer is that parts of the H card emulator MAY work.

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Cover
Thanks cover.

Got out my misc box where I store old testing equipment and actually found
some of the equipment you mentioned collecting dust.

Now I can put it to good use. Never would have thought
of it without your very informative post.

t160hq