New MECM takes out everything. Expected downtime will be max. 10 minutes :-)

[mili]

They are paving the way to loop ROM cards and marking the EEPROM of cards that let the MECM through. What a joke bothering with ROMs instead of the fucking FTAs which are collateral damage alog with other emulators. The fix is easy and we expect every platform to be up again by tonight. Charlie is doing a big nothing once again. LOSERS!!!


mili

[Yongone]

For those in California, that's 3 hours and 10 minutes :)

[Wiley-X]

I'm not sure about the marking part... I know the MECM is checking for the intercept... maybe more code is to follow...?

[Bandit5906]

And in Mecca?

[A-Team]

Heard everything is back up - Dish was hittin' subs can someone confirm?

[xpoc]

Atmega running PAL 2.2.2 just came back online ,WTF lol

[elbmarb]

Oh. say it again mili !

[Wiley-X]

Charles didn't hit my sub'd receivers...they didn't flinch... but apparently something went wrong... everything that was working 48 hours ago is now working again.

[Crow 492]

Dish ECM Has Just Been Pulled Pansat 2500 Clone All Channels Wide Openhttp://www.dishjunkie.net/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://www.dishjunkie.net/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://www.dishjunkie.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Bev Still Down On All Channels.

[shaneomac]

is atmega 128 up for bev yet ?

[Dr Zapola]

My 102 with update both keys and applied new MECM patch works at first then goes into "COMMUNICATION ERROR" then Black Screen then it will Look for Signal get a channels then start over agian.

[elbmarb]

Thanks crow, I'll give my plastic another try and see.

[seaboard18]

Someone told me bell is still down.

[Wiley-X]

Dr. Zap... take that patch off if testing DN.... it's not necessary and may make your card a target....

Everything that worked yesterday works now...

I would NOT leave that set of EMMs on your cards!!!!

[elbmarb]

Dr Zapola. did you do that after crow's post?

[seaboard18]

Dr. Zap... take that patch off if testing DN.... it's not necessary and may make your card a target....

Everything that worked yesterday works now...

I would NOT leave that set of EMMs on your cards!!!!

I agree!

[elbmarb]

I'll try what you say Wiley-X

[omare]

Dish ECM Has Just Been Pulled Pansat 2500 Clone All Channels Wide Openhttp://www.dishjunkie.net/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://www.dishjunkie.net/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://www.dishjunkie.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Bev Still Down On All Channels.

it's true. All it took was to apply new keys as usual.

[Bandit5906]

All true (believe Seaboard): time will tell, but for the moment it looks like Chuck had bigger plans but shot himself in the foot again.

[Dr Zapola]

Yes

[Dr Zapola]

Dr. Zap... take that patch off if testing DN.... it's not necessary and may make your card a target....

Everything that worked yesterday works now...

I would NOT leave that set of EMMs on your cards!!!!

Ok. I'll try and report back

[billard500]

998AB66B88A696B76BCD570001F4CD5B
71CD57003208A602CD70A684B76BC60A
00CA0A09C70A00AE058D80912AA642B1
1025FAB11025F6CD54BD13121312A602
B748AD5FAD52A604AD5EA605AD5AA606
AD56A607AD52A603AD4EAE02D60BEAE7
495A2AF8A61FB44AB74AC60A01A438AA
441316B716AA0297C60A03B715B60D88
A4F790979EC70B92C60A04A43FAB2090
BF0DBF16CD3840A7A60BB744A6A2B745
3F48818D00A82281ADF9B645AB10B745
24023C44813F0B0D6003CC5F23ADD9C6
0A02A4042605C60A02A403AB09ADD4AE
0BD60BA6D80BA2D70BA25A2AF4CD59DA
0BA67CC60B929584B70DCD54A0121286
9887838301F620BD0000000000000000



Testing right know to see if works. I will let you all know

[mili]

I think all of them are stoned or drunk over there and someone tripped in a fucking cable unplugging the ECM sending computer. Keep it quiet guys, the dumbasses won't figger it until the morming when the janitors wash them up.

mili

[Crow 492]

I think all of them are stoned or drunk over there and someone tripped in a fucking cable unplugging the ECM sending computer. Keep it quiet guys, the dumbasses won't figger it until the morming when the janitors wash them up.

mili
LOL So True :rolleyes:;);)

[seaboard18]

Looks like a setup to loop later, reports of marks written to eeprom's. Mercy!!!

[smilingjack]

well you still have to change the 106/907 numbers and DELETE THE PATCH


From the coders:
Yea, dish fucked up with 25 million subs. However, bells 2 million subs are still is working with the new ecem.

ST 19 says invalid opcode [A6 0B B7 44] At 80:0198 executed, then resets. for bell.

This might be short lived for dish - so advise everyone that has cards, this could be a trick. If it is a trick, thousands of cams will be lost.

[jpc314]

if marked where would i look, and what should i look for?

[whitestuff]

This might be short lived for dish - so advise everyone that has cards, this could be a trick. If it is a trick, thousands of cams will be lost.

anyone else gotta gut feeling?


just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the world isn't out to get you.

[SEARCHY4]

i would realy like to hear atleast one report of a subed cam getting looped or video out. bad enough that a call would have been needed to dish.

any body??? just to see if rumer or not. everybody i asked has the new 206 cards on their subs and was not affected

[Dr Zapola]

I screwed up and locked my 102. I put on the new keys then the MECM then I patched on the c0d3sP4c3 - ROM 102 Blocker v16.0i/p Hot Fix v10 MECM 40 Post Hash Update Public Release Date: 3-28-2008 (I was trying out things, I know I am an idiot) I am trying to glitch back in with WinExp and using 102-NO RSP MOD-6.xvb but its not working. Any suggestions.

[Pyotr]

i would realy like to hear atleast one report of a subed cam getting looped or video out. bad enough that a call would have been needed to dish.

any body??? just to see if rumer or not. everybody i asked has the new 206 cards on their subs and was not affected

My sub(311) didn't go down.But it took about 40 minutes of to restream it. It had been unplugged for a week.Last time it took about 10 minutes. Probably nothing. Was this ecm aimed at 102's only or 103's as well?

[Praxis]

I think all of them are stoned or drunk over there and someone tripped in a fucking cable unplugging the ECM sending computer. Keep it quiet guys, the dumbasses won't figger it until the morming when the janitors wash them up.

mili


Nice one Mili, He,he:D

[pitbullracin]

My sub(311) didn't go down.But it took about 40 minutes of to restream it. It had been unplugged for a week.Last time it took about 10 minutes. Probably nothing. Was this ecm aimed at 102's only or 103's as well?
102's only 103's were not affected

[duffybno1]

can anyone confirm any marks?
if so what line are they on?

[no_bser]

read on marketrealm, mark was in $306x area

[Silence77]

I think B3V did too, because a friend of mine didn't have video for like 2 hours, and they were on hold with them waiting for a person for like an hour after this happened, and the gear has never been touched?

[Wiley-X]

read on marketrealm, mark was in $306x area

I had a card up during the whole time on the EMMs from SS... after the fiasco, I dumped the card and compared it to a dump taken from the same card 48 hrs ago and there were no differences (other than new keys). I do not believe my card got marked. My entire $3060- area is unchanged.

[cold iron]

You are going to piss off Charlie with calling him a loser, lol.:)

[billybobb]

can anyone confirm a mark?
I wonder if they marked their own subbed cams?

[elbmarb]

I screwed up and locked my 102. I put on the new keys then the MECM then I patched on the c0d3sP4c3 - ROM 102 Blocker v16.0i/p Hot Fix v10 MECM 40 Post Hash Update Public Release Date: 3-28-2008 (I was trying out things, I know I am an idiot) I am trying to glitch back in with WinExp and using 102-NO RSP MOD-6.xvb but its not working. Any suggestions.
I thinK I can upload some files for you in the free files section if I can access it doc. I did the same thing once and my card poped instantly. I need to know what card you are testing with. The rom and rev ect....

[elbmarb]

I had a card up during the whole time on the EMMs from SS... after the fiasco, I dumped the card and compared it to a dump taken from the same card 48 hrs ago and there were no differences (other than new keys). I do not believe my card got marked. My entire $3060- area is unchanged.

I'm running a rom 102 wth a public auto roll and mine wasn't

[Wiley-X]

I'm running a rom 102 wth a public auto roll and mine wasn't

Wow, if your card allowed the MECM to execute, then you must be darned-near running blockerless (if not blockerless). You might want to rethink that situation.

[Crow 492]

UPDATED! May 2,2008.
Looks like dish net has there shit together and is now blacking out channels. Be prepaired for some down time. Files will be needed as soon as they are out they will be posted.

[elbmarb]

Word is that the looping MECM in now in the stream. Everyone should pull plastic just in case. Even if you were not marked. I pulled mine and it looks like I have to settle for broadcast tv untill the all clear is anounced.

[DrSagan]

There is no looping mecm in the stream at present, however, fta/emu is in for a bundle of joy :D

[sdeens]

How Can They Loop A Non B1 Passing Non Autoroll Blockered Cam?

Who Cares If They Mark Otp, They Can Spoof Around That Later Via Code.

[DNorrisRay]

Great to see a screen name with the credibilty as DR.Sagan!! Thanks for the heads up sagan. For me no guts no glory and all is well so far.

[dssdude50]

Hey Mili, has it been 10 minutes yet??????? this 1 may take 11 or 12 minutes from the looks of things////////

[McLovin]

don't be so quick to dismiss this mecm as harmless.

quote from fab5:

hxxp://www.card-coders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3753


Basically, you got it right. This latest MECM fills all pointers and registers with random data. It can then call and execute any Map in the range $20 - $5F (64 map calls in total) based on a single byte embedded in CMD07 which comes down every 15 seconds.

They can change the Map Call on the fly and don't need to send down a new MECM to do that. They can even use a different Map Call on every channel if they so desired.

Thats the way it goes.

Fab5

[mili]

Knowing their track record I am certain that a big nothing will come off this new potential. THey will soon abandon the effective ECM and concentrate on weekly key rolls instead.

mili

[tom4000]

if one would rate all the mecm's on a scale of 1-10 (10 being total blackout) since the biggining of november i'd do this:

november : timers -> 3
december: timers+mapcalls -> 4
december: timers+harder mapcalls (3b/57) -> 5
january: crc's + other minor bs -> 4
february: the were recycling mecm bahahaha -> 0
march+april: 4 part mecm's that included the bs mapcalls (29,30,31,32) -> 3
right now:them trying to dynamically change map calls -> 5 mabye 6

[mannybeef]

i hope milli's right. but it doesnt look good unless using brute force with computer aid if they stay the course.

[ruciz]

st19 should be able to keep up as its using a true map table, but all other solutions not using an aux may be in for a bit of hardship.

Wouldn't bev be pissed if this did work well while they are in the midst of their swap..

[mannybeef]

the every 15 seconds capability is depressing.
it may be proven full emulation is possible, but who knows. lol

[playme1979]

never skipped a beat, didnt even know there was a ecm till i logged on this afternoon

[sdeens]

time to start donating via Paypal $5 to PGM to get him some cash and motivate him to gear up for a rough ride in the next 6 months, especially on BEV which is hard ass about protecting those NFLST she starts collecting in the next 2 months.

ST19 no doubt is going to probably be the safest option, but I doubt even with a more robust hardcode maprom table is NOT going to be enough to keep it working..so PGM is going to have to come out with weekly upatdes again especially in August as NFLST gears up on BEV and her card swap matures.

please donate to this very worthly cause, especially you NFLST fans on BEV.

p.s.
there are many unknown maprom permutations yet to be discovered on Charlie, the last report I read suggested 64 of them have been identified, but many more are still hardcode potentially into the rom102...so this can easily become a daily event with a single byte change to trigger the call.

[recog]

:( Keep this thread alive ... Milli the 10 minutes is up...
PUT on the lite and wake up PGM and Wong and whoever ...
Yes, I know FREE TV is expensive ! ............ :rolleyes:

[JT]

I think mili was a bit hasty when he discredited this particular change. We are looking at changing the map call with nothing more than a single byte change in the cmd07. A cmd07 comes down every 15 seconds. They can now change the map call without even sending an EMM. Plus, we are looking at the potential to have a different map call on up to 64 different groups of channels. There may be a solution to this that I haven't heard of yet, but so far, this one looks like it has tremendous potential. We could see some significant down time, or at least some daily hassles this time around.

One other comment. I see where a lot of folks assume the service providers don't care about taking down FTA's because they are targeting testing with a rom. Nothing could be further from the truth. The simple fact, most likely anyway, is that the service providers feel that if they can stop rom hacking that all the other methods will fall like dominoes behind it. Maybe this is true, maybe not. I personally believe the theory holds a lot of merit.

[Bandit5906]

No ROM102? Then switch to FTA or ST19!

[deltaforce]

Mili was right...they have fixes out already...

[JT]

Mili was right...they have fixes out already...

Please direct us to a fix for cemu, st19xl and usb atmega256. ;)

[manishking]

Mili was right...they have fixes out already...
Yeah...show us the path to light and tell us where's the fix located??? hehehe... :-)

[alsouthster]

well mili's old friend viewsat has fixes out ;)

[McLovin]

as long as the current map calls remain static i'm not surprised that fixes are out.

the question is, what will the coders do when the map calls change every day, hour or fifteen seconds?

[Biggen1]

well mili's old friend viewsat has fixes out ;)


I wish Mili sold Viewsats.....:eek:

I'd buy One from Mili......:p


I kinda like the racoon though........;)






Lool................

[thekidcof]

The fix is out for viewsats..... :)

[mili]

I found this on card-coders by PKD their admin.

Map$39 fix relies on finding some bytes on some registers in the card. Same as Map3B. The only reason Map3B was figured out is because ST Micro guys were selling the info to Viewsat. As far as I know there are no HW emu fixes for Map$39 at this time and it will probably take 1-2 weeks before someone figures it out, assuming they get lucky or ST sells this one too. Once the fix is posted, they move to Map$3A. Same thing. Down again. Solve the puzzle. They have 64 map calls they can trigger with a single byte in CMD07. Also, practically every plastic card has been marked. I think they can loop them at will at any time. The question is how effectively will SI employ this latest tool. Judging from their past performance they will use it to the maximum ineffectiveness after the initial confusion. Much like if you give them a rifle to go hunting and they try to use it to clobber a deer to death with it.

I find it amazing how ST is selling out like a cheap whore and Charlie just takes it up the ass without a whimper.

milli

[mannybeef]

as long as the current map calls remain static i'm not surprised that fixes are out.

the question is, what will the coders do when the map calls change every day, hour or fifteen seconds?

this is why most fixes will take a while probably, most will try and think ahead
or maybe calculate their maprom ?? or finally unvail the full emulation.

and milli lmao @ w/out a whimper .lol

[Odd Thomas]

This mecm writes to the bug table to prevent this and continue with the post processing, so if you open the eeprom window hit F4 one more time the valve will change and you will see the mark, at $3061, but try hitting F4 again after you patch this and notice that the write is now at $30B1 instead of $3061, also the trigger is N01/penga intercept.


Code:
>$8A951B0<
>$8CD01B0<
>$8CD31B0<
>$8CDA1B1<

[panchocuerdas]

C/P Mapcall 21 in the Stream detected .....serious DOWNTIME coming!! It has been noted from a good inside source that both BEV and DISH have implemented a new twist on MAPCALL 21. Timer dynamics are much more difficult to break.....this may be the beginning of some serious downtime coming to FTA for the next several days........maybe a few weeks. A touch of Nagra 3 is said to be in this stream as it is now being tested along with other ECM's to see how the timer code changes react.

[Bandit5906]

Time will tell: I didn't see anything go down here though.

[JT]

There is no debate about the new timing issues that will be coming up with certain map calls. It looks like they are working mostly on map21, but are also tinkering with timing at least four other maps. So far so good, but we won't know exactly whats up with this new stuff until they pull the trigger. Good news is there are quite a few folks logging these changes and the work on them has already begun.

[omare]

what's for sure is the fact that they're taking their time. They're so focused on this coming ecm's that they haven't even bothered to change the keys, not even to lure people into allowing code to execute to enable autoroll