All channels are gone for emulators except the fucking Viewsats and CWs

[mili]

Dish and BEV enforcing the neww map calls on all channels now. Romcode and most ROM102 blockers are wide open. A loop attack is now a real threat though on every ROM platform. CW and VS receivers are up, no doubt thanks to an insider source.

mili

[PigBenis]

A copy and paste from other site stated about an insider source, so i dont think he is bullshitting anyone for the sake of it.

[ruciz]

mili is the only one who knows what is going on

The ONLY ones that know what is going on is those CREATING what is going on.. not mili - no offense, he don't really know whats going on, just whats happening cause of it... Only way FTA is up that it makes sense is an 'insider source' with even the ROM coders grasping straws right now.. Needless to say if FTA are up so will everyone else soon. FTA code is a lot less secure than a ROM102 is :D

[PigBenis]

Waitin' for a fix ain't bad at all.. But I cant stand it when the place is flooded with "guests" Even though it's not bad at all right now.

[PigBenis]

I read that too, but i dunno anyone that has one that can confirm of its status during times like these.

[go4it]

This is being directed at plastic and emulation and not so much Fta. I think they are looking to loop a bunch of cards again.

[ndcsucks]

New Emunation up!! :-)

3.0.4.1

Rolled in less than 2 mins.. Beverly...

[NYSE]

So, it seems the DVB-S coders are in cahoots with the ViewSat coders. Or at least they share a common source.

So what, are we all stuck buying viewsats now? Good lord.....

[ellsmako]

New Emunation up!! :-)

3.0.4.1

Rolled in less than 2 mins.. Beverly...

OK I will bite,.

What is new enunation,...

[zag1958]

Emunation is a plugin for use with DVB-S tuner computer cards. It is what decodes the stream so it can be viewed in a TV application. It is a kin to a bin file released for FTA receivers.

[fubr]

So, it seems the DVB-S coders are in cahoots with the ViewSat coders. Or at least they share a common source.

So what, are we all stuck buying viewsats now? Good lord.....I would up my sub to a full package before I bought a viewsat.
they have sucked the fun out of this for us. this used to be fun, now it is to much work.

Kinda like When USC or Notre Dame wins the NCAA championship.
Yeah they are good teams but I dont like them to win,
same for FTA, might be good for some people but ruins it for the rest.

[alsouthster]

ah I dunno fubr it's just a way to get tv
bought one for fun quite a while ago and lo and behold it is working tonite
can't say that there is something neccesarily wrong with that

[Bandit5906]

fubar tell us what you really think?

DN has not much to offer in the way of programming anyway!

[reene4525]

Dish and BEV enforcing the neww map calls on all channels now. Romcode and most ROM102 blockers are wide open. A loop attack is now a real threat though on every ROM platform. CW and VS receivers are up, no doubt thanks to an insider source.

mili Mods- Deleting posts?

[Crazy1_79]

Mods- Deleting posts?
when your posts have absolutely nothing to do with the thread, then sometimes your post do get deleted. Especially in a thread where high traffic may occur

[mili]

Yes we will gladly ban your ass and delete your posts if you post stupid or insulting shit.

mili

[EpSiloN]

So, it seems the DVB-S coders are in cahoots with the ViewSat coders. Or at least they share a common source.

So what, are we all stuck buying viewsats now? Good lord.....


Dreambox was up shortly after ViewSat released files

Dreambox rulez :D

[BigPappi]

Milli, You should just ban them.Show them you mean business.

Stupid people need to Die....LOL

[The Lizard King]

Kinda like When USC or Notre Dame wins the NCAA championship.
Yeah they are good teams but I dont like them to win,
Notre Dinero? Yeah, I can totally agree with that... :)

But cheering against USC is just blasphemous! :eek: ;) :D

TLK :cool:

http://static.flickr.com/115/315008142_a64d4ac152_o.gif

[omare]

What's most interesting of all this, is the fact that many predictions I've read around here about future ECM's from charlie have actually becom true.

I remember the prediction about a year ago suggesting the use of map calls, and later a prediction about using a permutation of them so often, that even though maybe easy to fix, might actually mean so much work that testing would lose all its " fun"

So what makes me wonder is this: is charlie smart enough to come up with all these bright ideas, or are they simply getting all of them by reading those publicly posted predictions??

Anyhow, I don't think we can do much about that.

[McLovin]

i have a feeling that this new ecm will only step up the push to the iks nonsense going on now and leave real coding behind.

[ruciz]

What's most interesting of all this, is the fact that many predictions I've read around here about future ECM's from charlie have actually becom true.

I remember the prediction about a year ago suggesting the use of map calls, and later a prediction about using a permutation of them so often, that even though maybe easy to fix, might actually mean so much work that testing would lose all its " fun"

So what makes me wonder is this: is charlie smart enough to come up with all these bright ideas, or are they simply getting all of them by reading those publicly posted predictions??

Anyhow, I don't think we can do much about that.

His coders can at least think, give them credit somewhere.
I am sure any predictions we made by looking at the stream they sure as hell could see by creating it.

[havasu]

Kinda like When USC or Notre Dame wins the NCAA championship.

The last time Notre Dame won a championship BUD's were the chosen method for TV. :D

[The Lizard King]

The last time Notre Dame won a championship BUD's were the chosen method for TV. :D
Notre Dinero last won a national championship in any team sport in 1988 (football).

TLK :cool:

http://static.flickr.com/115/315008142_a64d4ac152_o.gif

[odysseyv]

ALL VIEWSAT CHANNELS WENT BLACK 05/06/08 12:30 PM PST :mad:

[Tom2004]

So much for the insider information theory

[garysam]

I would up my sub to a full package before I bought a viewsat.
they have sucked the fun out of this for us. this used to be fun, now it is to much work.

Kinda like When USC or Notre Dame wins the NCAA championship.
Yeah they are good teams but I dont like them to win,
same for FTA, might be good for some people but ruins it for the rest.

Sorry, I really don't see where pulling your card out of your receiver, plugging it in you ISO and putting on a file, that someone else wrote, is anymore mentally challenging than putting a file, that someone else wrote, on your FTA receiver. I did the rom 102s, rom 10s, rom 3s...the Charlies, Bevs and Daves....and the BUDs with the VC, VCII and the modem boards. I'll agree, there is something about taking a receiver that BEV, or whoever, gives you and sticking it up their ass, but I got over that a long time ago. FTA is easy and sticking with plastic does not make you a purist...at least not one to bash the ones who take the easy route. The providers are not targetting people who take the easy route, nor are they targetting the purists, they are targetting the people who steal their fucking signal. As soon as we get our head out of our collective asses and resign to the fact that we are all on the same team, the sooner that we will all realize our real goal....free TV for life!

[orra]

well said. garysam..

[mlee222]

Sorry, I really don't see where pulling your card out of your receiver, plugging it in you ISO and putting on a file, that someone else wrote, is anymore mentally challenging than putting a file, that someone else wrote, on your FTA receiver. I did the rom 102s, rom 10s, rom 3s...the Charlies, Bevs and Daves....and the BUDs with the VC, VCII and the modem boards. I'll agree, there is something about taking a receiver that BEV, or whoever, gives you and sticking it up their ass, but I got over that a long time ago. FTA is easy and sticking with plastic does not make you a purist...at least not one to bash the ones who take the easy route. The providers are not targetting people who take the easy route, nor are they targetting the purists, they are targetting the people who steal their fucking signal. As soon as we get our head out of our collective asses and resign to the fact that we are all on the same team, the sooner that we will all realize our real goal....free TV for life! although i do agree with your line of thinking, i also think we all have our loves & hates as far as "testing platforms" go and fubr, aswell as you and i are allowed to voice our opinions, likes and our dislikes on this site not many others will let us do that on their sites, so i would not take it personally because you are exactly right we are all on the same team (well stated)... .. happy testing!!!!:)

[Praxis]

PLASTIC 4 EVR :p

[hairyballs520]

Where do u get this free TV for life! ,I dont know about u but this hobby cost $$$$

[kronicSJ]

Where do u get this ,I dont know about u but this hobby cost $$$$

I TOTALLY agree with you there,

I activly test;
mega128/256,
plasatic,
and 3 different FTA stb's (including a FLUsat2700 and pariza2700),
have modded a "gaebo" and a "430" (DTV ird's) to FTA,
have even played with cable box'z and a thingy back in the 80's called "ON-TV" anyone remember them, very POOR programming pkg. LOL but fun none the less,
for SOME this is TRUELY a hobby,
free tv ROFLMFAO!!!!, what's free about the above,
I also have a legit DN sub AND a legit cable sub (cable mainly for the high-spd. net),
there's NOTHING free about this hobby, it's only cheaper for the true free tv'r, than it is for the true tester because a TESTER usually buys MORE equipment to play with than a free tv'r,
NOT to mention the cost of the ird's and stb's testers have bricked due to testing H/W modz ect. (trace cutting, vid. mods., jumpers, ect.) <---- if it was'nt for flea mrkts. and yard sales that cost COULD be reletivly high LOL,
NO SIR, NUTHIN FREE about this hobby, LOL,....

[althor123]

I would up my sub to a full package before I bought a viewsat.
they have sucked the fun out of this for us. this used to be fun, now it is to much work.

Yeah i feel the same way about Mac Pc, why the hell did they have to go and make such a solid product. They have stolen all the fun i have from the fun times i have working out glitching problems on my Windows.

[garysam]

Where do u get this ,I dont know about u but this hobby cost $$$$

U know what I mean

[rg6a]

Where do u get this ,I dont know about u but this hobby cost $$$$


That is very True. I don't know what other peoples' time is worth but the Taxman knows mine and shows no mercy.

Frankly, it's because it's there and a challenge. Why do people pay $30K to attempt to climb Mt. Everest??

Testers don't calculate the hardware and time and Aggravation Cost$, if they did........know what..............it isn't friggin' worth the effort........and that you can take to the Bank!!

[panchocuerdas]

here something I found,,that I thought you guys would like to read,,

read this thread, it should answer your question or leave you asking more, either way it's good info

well I couldn't find the post by Odd Thomas but I did find a c/p of it so here goes.

All credit to the author, Odd Thomas

C/P

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
First how digital scrambling works, quick version.
A digital picture or audio, is simply a bunch of numbers, when put together they make up the picture you watch or audio you hear.

Digital scrambling is easy you simply mix up the numbers, but to unscramble the picture you must know how it was scambled.
All sat TV providers use the same system to scramble, its called a Control Word system, easy term, they use a number like 03 c2 51 da 35 f5 ef 76 to scramble ONE channel for about 2 minutes, then they change the number, this number is called the CW (control word), they use a different number(CW) for each channel, it is just a random 8 byte number.

After they have Scrambled the video with the CW number it is unwatchable, so their subscribers can't watch it either, so they must send out the CW to all their subscribers, and THIS is where encryption and decryption comes into the system.

This is what a card or cardless software is for, decrypting the CW for a specific channel, this is also why some channels will work and others won't, more on that later.

Ok so the picture is Scrambled using a random number called the Control Word(CW).
Now to prevent anyone with a d*sh and digital receiver from watching their channels the provider must encrypt(hide) the CW using different prearranged math methods, the prearranged part is what they have loaded on their subscribers cards or receivers, they encrypt the CW using the reverse of the prearranged decryption on the cards, and this is where MAPs come into play.

A MAP is nothing more, or less, than a preset math formula.
add 03 to all numbers
sub 06 from all numbers
multiply all numbers by 04

All 3 of these are simplified math versions, each its own MAP.

So
MAP01 = add 03 to all numbers
MAP02 = sub 06 from all numbers
MAP03 = multiply all numbers by 04

Real MAPs are a little more complicated mathwise, lol.

But the process is the same, a MAP changes the CW number in a known way, known to DN.

DN tells the cards to use MAP57, then MAP03, then MAP3B in that order to decrypt the CW, if you don't know what the MAP does to the CW or you do it in the wrong order then you get the wrong CW at the end an no picture.
They also throw in a key or two (auto-roll gets one of those keys) in the decryption process just to make it a little more secure.

So pretty straight forward process, nothing real complicated about it, and very secure IF your cards are secure. This is why DTV is no longer a "freeTV" option, their new cards are secure.
There is no way to get around this type of scrambling you can either get the correct CW or you can't, the problem is the CW changes every 2 min. on each channel and no two channels will have the same CW.
You aren't going to just "guess" the CW for a channel, and even using the fastest computer on the planet you couldn't beat the 2 min. cycle.

If you read something that says they can beat this type of system without inside the card info, then put your hand on your wallet and back out of the room slowly, lol.

Because each channel basicly is running its own CW encryption they can run some channels on one CW encryption and other channels on another CW encyption, b*v is even using a different base system for NFL.
At any given time there are usually 2-4 different decryption paths available on a card, at this time b*v has 2-6.

In theory there could be 256 MAPs in a DN card, MAP00 to MAPFF, but probably not.

Just FYI, N1 and N2, and for that matter N3 when it comes, use the same scrambling of the digital picture, only the way the CW is Encrypted and decrypted changes, so they can run multiple types of encryption at the same time, its only a few more CW packets every few minutes there is no bandwidth issue.

Now what has happened as of late, is that (Nagra Vision) has started impelmenting N3 into the stream, this itself is why we have all started seeing (private keys) example: nagra 01 06 00,for DN and B*V and 09 05 00,09 06 00,an 09 07 00.
Most of the time these's keys are not active, but as of late they DAVE , and Charlie's are trying to see just how far they can push there own receiver's and still work, most times itself is not but for a few hours at a time. but they are still continueing to work on it, making everyones life hard, including there own customers ofcourse.

Just remember that, unless DAVE , and Charlie's does a (complete system wide) upgrade of there whole (equipment, CAD Cards and Codes) at a cost of possibly a billion US dollars, only then can it shutdown FTA, and stop any coders from writting codes for all FTA units.
Posted by: Odd

I hope this will explain things a little better.

and,,,,,,


what is map call 39

thats a good question,
without a dought it is the worst mapcode ever devolved for for everyone.

The simple answer is this;
there are 64 known mapcalls that a provider can use, until this mapcall only
[1] could be introduced into the stream at anyone time, via computer dos programming.

Now mapcall$39 has incorperated into it, all 64 of these mapcalls. Meaning they can with a single finger, click a key, [F4] and change the mapcall every 15teen minutes at will, also by changing the private keys with one finger every [5] minutes too.

Here's alittle bit of info I wrote earlyier today, I hope this helps explains things better.

The severity of the problem.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Map$39 fix relies on finding some bytes on some registers in the card. Same as Map3B. The only reason Map3B was figured out is because ST Micro guys were selling the info to Viewsat. As far as I know there are no HW emu fixes for Map$39 at this time and it will probably take 1-2 weeks before someone figures it out, assuming they get lucky or ST sells this one too. Once the fix is posted, they move to Map$3A. Same thing. Down again. Solve the puzzle.

They have 64 map calls they can trigger with a single byte in CMD07. Also, allegedly every plastic card that has picture has its bug table (not EEPROM) altered. The consensus is Charles can loop them at will at any time. The question is how effectively will SI employ this latest tool. Judging from their past performance they will use it to the maximum ineffectiveness after the initial confusion.

Meaning: DN can drop anything on you at will it wants now at anytime day or night, this is a really bad problem for alot of fta units, that will not be able to handle this type of mapcode. SO a fix is atleast weeks away for most boxes, all but viewsat with has full eleumination, and the full mapcodes now.
So look for alot of downtime, until coders reverse engineer this code from viewsats bin file's already releast.
written by, 0dd Thomas__________________
If you fall off! get back on! If you want to know something, and need help...ASK

Have fun, and give credit where credit is due

[ruciz]

for some reason I don't think control words work exactly how they are described. they
come down every 2 min, I can change the channel 10 times in 2 minutes and not lose picture, and change to like a PPV, top100, digitla music, back to ppv, to porn, to sport package.. pic comes in.

If the control word is sent down every 2 min, and different for every channel. explain how the above is possible... aside from the control word letting ANY tiers valid be decoded until a new control word is sent down in 2 minutes time... Keys only come down every 3 min, and they are used to decrypt as well.