Twostep
05-15-2008, 07:18 AM
Quite an interesting read here. Sources say this is the real TDG posting and not one of the impostors that's running around lately posting all manners of crap.
Cut and Paste from Card-Coders.
USEFUL INFORMATION FOR Mr. ZAKARIAN to Fight Dish/Echostar/Nagrastar
First off, I would like to set the record straight by stating the 'other' TDG on this forum is a fake/fraud and imposter taking pot shots at Dish at MY expense.
Second, my guy is a brilliant lawyer (Mr. Zakarian) but he NEEDS all the facts to defend me successfully and also help put the FTA industry on a solid, legal foundation. I will give him some of the facts about Dish piracy here and he can research the details on this forum and others like dsstester as he sees fit.
Dish has a piracy problem, yes, but it is one of their own making and for their own benefit. Although this doesn't excuse anyone from engaging in the piracy of their signal, it also doesn't excuse Dish from trampling all over dealers/importers and manufacturers who produce a perfectly legal product for the consumer electronics market just because this revolutionary new product threatens to take away a big chunk of the satellite business away from the plaintiff.
The history of FTA is one of brilliant innovation and foresight. FTA stands for "free-to-air". What most people in North America don't realize is that probably 75% of all the subscription channels offered by Dish/DirecTV and the cable companies are available for FREE if you have the right equipment and know-how. Of course, Dish and the others
don't want you to know this, much less have the option of buying such equipment to watch tv for free.
So, what can you get for free? Only limited religious programming like Echostar laywers claim? Bullshit! You can reveive literally thousands of channels, including all the major networks like NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, MyTV, RTN, CWTV, CNBC and hundreds of their affiliates and locals such as WNED, KATV, KCBU, KCWY, KTAL, etc, etc. Interested in
news/business? No problem, you can watch CNN, FoxNews, BloombergTV, ABCNewsNow, BBC, EuroNews and so on. Want time shifting? You got NBC East, NCB Central, NCB Mountain, NBC Pacific - never miss the late show with Jay Leno again! Dish charges "extra" for this privilege. lol.
Interested in specialty channels? Watch National Geographic or the dozens of PBS channels in spectacular HD (best viewed on a SonicView8000). Want to watch the latest blockbuster movies from Hollywood? Tune to the MovieCentral channel on AnikF2 from Canada and watch the latest movies in HD. Interested in sports? Watch FoxSports or Sentana Sports.
Want Adult programming? Tune to PlayboyOne in Europe. If you east far enough, you can also pick up the dozens of FREE adult channels broacasting daily in Europe. Dish charges an arm and a leg for this kind of smut that is 100% FREE.
I haven't mentioned the countless ethnic and other 'niche' channels available for FREE.
Hell, take your FTA to Europe or Asia on vacation and watch all your favourite channels for free there too. Dish offers this service too, it is called the SlingBox, but you have to pay for it and watch the programming on your 13 inch laptop screen. How silly!
Anyone can confirms all the available free channels by going to this site:
hxxp://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html (http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html)
So what does the Dish offer that someone can't already get for free? A big FAT monthly subscription, thats what. And Dish lawyers are outright liars when they claim that FTA can only receive limited ethinc programming and by this reasoning the sale of millions of these boxes in North America would be impossible. I would be more than happy to set up a motorized KU/C-band dish ontop of the courthouse in Florida (with the judge's permission) and let the judge flip through all the aforementioned channels on a Viewsat for verification. I'll be sure to blackout the porn channels ahead of time if it is a lady judge. http://www.card-coders.com/forum/images/smilies/icon10.gif
Now comes the piracy part. Dish has been pirated in one form or another for over a decade now, going back to 1998. Wow! That is an awfully long time. Dish has 20,000 employees, thousands of engineers and the ability to put dozens of sophisticated satellites in high earth geosynchronous orbit at a cost of $300 million each, but they can't secure
their signal with all their vast resources? I call BULLSHIT!
Dish WANTS their signal to be pirated. It serves as a very EFFECTIVE advertisement campaign for them. Everyone knows that consumers will go for an "open" system more often than not. It is simply human nature, but it is also massive fraud and deception on the part of Dish management, something the FCC and the authrities need to investigate. In
Canada for example, a $300 million lawsuit has been filed against ExpressVu by cable giant Videotron to stop them from benefitting from their piracy fraud scheme just like Dish does.
Lets examine this fraud in more detail and see the lengths that Dish will go to in order to keep piracy alive. I have been told by a technical expert that since about 2005 (after the Nagra 2 card swap), one very popular method of pirating Dish has been through the use of a modified OEM smartcards from Dish or any countless pirate cards like the atmega128. In order for these pirated cards to work, they must be programmed with a "cloned" Dish account that was subscribed at one point to Dish.
The cloned account everyone is still using today from 2005 is this one:
DishNetwork
SMART CARD ID - S0060436852
RECEIVER ID - 011C746C
ExpressVU
SMART CARD ID - S0455884573
RECEIVER ID - 02AF04CA
Why are these accounts still active by Dish if everyone is using them to pirate their system. Why hasn't Dish performed a simple firmware upgrade to their receivers to blacklist these clone accounts? If a subscriber doesn't pay his monthly bill, Dish will turn off his account very quickly, yet, when 50,000 - 100,000 pirates are using a clone account for over 3 years and Dish does absolutely nothing, this should set off a lot of alarm bells.
In fact, any technical expert will tell you that their security system (Nagra 2) was setup in such a fashion that a hack would only be possible with cloned receiver/smartcard numbers. In the Nagra 1 system, piracy was possible with ANY numbers. So this begs the question, a company with over 20,000 employees and the best security experts in the
world and billions of dollars in resources, comes up with a security system that forces pirates to use cloned account numbers, presumambly so Dish can blacklist these accounts immediately. Yet, it has been three years and counting and the cloned accounts are still just as active today as they were 3 years ago.
Why doesn't Dish blacklist these numbers? If they did, smartcard pirates would be literally out of business overnight or they would have to resort to using their own private numbers from their own account subscriptions and it is highly unlikely that any pirate would publically share his account.
I have also been told by this same technical expert that if pirates resorted to generating their "own" account numbers, Dish could easily detect any key changes in their receiver firmware and disable those receivers. One can logically conclude then, although Dish has a pretty darn good security system in place to prevent smartcard cloning piracy, they simply refuse to use it.
Even more mind boggling, Dish knows the real life identity of one notorious pirate and his associates who have been providing smartcard "fixes" using cloned account information for years, but there is no litigation against him. He readily admits at xxx.satscams.org (http://www.satscams.org/) that his real name is Fred Marshall and that he talks with JJ Gee (Nagra head of
security) on a timely basis. Since Dish won't blacklist these public accounts and talks to the "pirate" coder, I guess the only logical explanation must be that Dish is behind the piracy themselves, much like NDS was "supposedly" behind the piracy of the Nagra 1 smartcard (now being settled in court).
Because there is a lot of money involved, there is a LOT of bullshit going on in this industry!
Now we move to FTA piracy, the only kind of "piracy" that seems to matter to Dish, at least as far as lawsuits go. It is no secret that every major FTA importer/distributor in the USA has been sued by Dish. In addition, dealers, sales pitch men and others involved the industry are being sued too. I happen to be one of them. The whole indsutry is under
legal assault because Dish wants to put FTA out of business. Permanently.
FTA is perfectly legal. The unit is designed to receive free-to-air KU/C-band transmissions that are being broadcast in the clear. IN fact, FTA has been around since the 1970s, whereas Dish got started in 1994. In fact, the CEO if Dish, Charlie Ergen, was an FTA salesman and C-Band dish installer himself back in the late 1970s. Basically, he used
to do my job back in the day, but now he is sueing me because FTA, is a REAL threat to his business.
An FTA unit can be used to pirate Dish ONLY if a third party bin is loaded onto the unit. All the major importers/distributors load these units with FACTORY bins that can only decode free-to-air transmissions. However, some end users are loading third party bins to their units in order to pirate Dish. Thats too bad and Dish should find those people who design such pirate code and prosecute them.
I have also been informed by a technical expert that once again, Dish has the technical ability to disable FTA piracy, but they choose to be lax. Instead, they ride this "wave" of FTA piracy for their own benefit. For example, during the period August 2005 - June 2006, Dish didn't perform a single electronic countermeasure nor attempt to disable any FTA
pirate box in any way, shape or form. This wasn't because they technically couldn't, but because they wanted the FTA piracy community to build up to hundreds of thousands of pirates who were being "hooked" and spoiled by free Dish programming. On or about June 20 2006, Dish activated a new stream revision that rendered all pirate FTA boxes useless
for a period of nearly 2 months, thus proving they had the technical capacity to disable pirate FTA. During this "downtime", it is clear that Dish benefitted enormously from former pirates who decided to go legit and activate an account with them.
During the period September 2006 - October 2007, once again, Dish did absolutely nothing about FTA piracy and it started to flourish again. On or about November 2007, Dish started a campaign of weekly stream changes to disable FTA pirate boxes. And once again, their activations surged.
The bottom is that this 'cat-and-mouse' game is all about money and shareholder quarterly reports. Even though it is generally accepted that rival DirecTV offers superior programming and more HD channels than Dish, it seems like during the period 2005-2008, Dish new subs have been surging ahead, whereas they had always been way behind DirecTV prior to this period.
Technically, I have been told that Dish can stop FTA piracy if they wanted to with agressive receiver firmware updates in conjunction with smartcard revisions that would utilize a subscriber's private account information to encrypt the keys in such a way that a subbed account would actually be needed in an FTA pirate bin to still work. In fact, the
Canadian provider ExpressVU utilized this method effectively to secure the NFL ticket from all pirate FTA boxes. The only reason it seems they did this was to be in compliance with their NFL contract that states the contract is void if the NFL signal is pirated. Thus, more proof that Nagra can secure their signal, but only do so when they "have" to by law or legal contracts or whatever. But it doesn't matter if they have no such agreement with all the other media providers...they just prostitute those signals away for free because they are not liable for any damages.
Well, that is basically it. I hope Mr. Zakarian has a starting point to begin his legal research into Dish piracy and throw the book at them for being so complicit in this piracy.
The FCC and people in Congress need to know about Dish's so called "piracy" problem and how they at the same time they exploit the situation for their own gain and are trying to bully the FTA industry into shutting down.
__________________
They have a LOT to prove.
-theDSSguy
Cut and Paste from Card-Coders.
USEFUL INFORMATION FOR Mr. ZAKARIAN to Fight Dish/Echostar/Nagrastar
First off, I would like to set the record straight by stating the 'other' TDG on this forum is a fake/fraud and imposter taking pot shots at Dish at MY expense.
Second, my guy is a brilliant lawyer (Mr. Zakarian) but he NEEDS all the facts to defend me successfully and also help put the FTA industry on a solid, legal foundation. I will give him some of the facts about Dish piracy here and he can research the details on this forum and others like dsstester as he sees fit.
Dish has a piracy problem, yes, but it is one of their own making and for their own benefit. Although this doesn't excuse anyone from engaging in the piracy of their signal, it also doesn't excuse Dish from trampling all over dealers/importers and manufacturers who produce a perfectly legal product for the consumer electronics market just because this revolutionary new product threatens to take away a big chunk of the satellite business away from the plaintiff.
The history of FTA is one of brilliant innovation and foresight. FTA stands for "free-to-air". What most people in North America don't realize is that probably 75% of all the subscription channels offered by Dish/DirecTV and the cable companies are available for FREE if you have the right equipment and know-how. Of course, Dish and the others
don't want you to know this, much less have the option of buying such equipment to watch tv for free.
So, what can you get for free? Only limited religious programming like Echostar laywers claim? Bullshit! You can reveive literally thousands of channels, including all the major networks like NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, MyTV, RTN, CWTV, CNBC and hundreds of their affiliates and locals such as WNED, KATV, KCBU, KCWY, KTAL, etc, etc. Interested in
news/business? No problem, you can watch CNN, FoxNews, BloombergTV, ABCNewsNow, BBC, EuroNews and so on. Want time shifting? You got NBC East, NCB Central, NCB Mountain, NBC Pacific - never miss the late show with Jay Leno again! Dish charges "extra" for this privilege. lol.
Interested in specialty channels? Watch National Geographic or the dozens of PBS channels in spectacular HD (best viewed on a SonicView8000). Want to watch the latest blockbuster movies from Hollywood? Tune to the MovieCentral channel on AnikF2 from Canada and watch the latest movies in HD. Interested in sports? Watch FoxSports or Sentana Sports.
Want Adult programming? Tune to PlayboyOne in Europe. If you east far enough, you can also pick up the dozens of FREE adult channels broacasting daily in Europe. Dish charges an arm and a leg for this kind of smut that is 100% FREE.
I haven't mentioned the countless ethnic and other 'niche' channels available for FREE.
Hell, take your FTA to Europe or Asia on vacation and watch all your favourite channels for free there too. Dish offers this service too, it is called the SlingBox, but you have to pay for it and watch the programming on your 13 inch laptop screen. How silly!
Anyone can confirms all the available free channels by going to this site:
hxxp://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html (http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html)
So what does the Dish offer that someone can't already get for free? A big FAT monthly subscription, thats what. And Dish lawyers are outright liars when they claim that FTA can only receive limited ethinc programming and by this reasoning the sale of millions of these boxes in North America would be impossible. I would be more than happy to set up a motorized KU/C-band dish ontop of the courthouse in Florida (with the judge's permission) and let the judge flip through all the aforementioned channels on a Viewsat for verification. I'll be sure to blackout the porn channels ahead of time if it is a lady judge. http://www.card-coders.com/forum/images/smilies/icon10.gif
Now comes the piracy part. Dish has been pirated in one form or another for over a decade now, going back to 1998. Wow! That is an awfully long time. Dish has 20,000 employees, thousands of engineers and the ability to put dozens of sophisticated satellites in high earth geosynchronous orbit at a cost of $300 million each, but they can't secure
their signal with all their vast resources? I call BULLSHIT!
Dish WANTS their signal to be pirated. It serves as a very EFFECTIVE advertisement campaign for them. Everyone knows that consumers will go for an "open" system more often than not. It is simply human nature, but it is also massive fraud and deception on the part of Dish management, something the FCC and the authrities need to investigate. In
Canada for example, a $300 million lawsuit has been filed against ExpressVu by cable giant Videotron to stop them from benefitting from their piracy fraud scheme just like Dish does.
Lets examine this fraud in more detail and see the lengths that Dish will go to in order to keep piracy alive. I have been told by a technical expert that since about 2005 (after the Nagra 2 card swap), one very popular method of pirating Dish has been through the use of a modified OEM smartcards from Dish or any countless pirate cards like the atmega128. In order for these pirated cards to work, they must be programmed with a "cloned" Dish account that was subscribed at one point to Dish.
The cloned account everyone is still using today from 2005 is this one:
DishNetwork
SMART CARD ID - S0060436852
RECEIVER ID - 011C746C
ExpressVU
SMART CARD ID - S0455884573
RECEIVER ID - 02AF04CA
Why are these accounts still active by Dish if everyone is using them to pirate their system. Why hasn't Dish performed a simple firmware upgrade to their receivers to blacklist these clone accounts? If a subscriber doesn't pay his monthly bill, Dish will turn off his account very quickly, yet, when 50,000 - 100,000 pirates are using a clone account for over 3 years and Dish does absolutely nothing, this should set off a lot of alarm bells.
In fact, any technical expert will tell you that their security system (Nagra 2) was setup in such a fashion that a hack would only be possible with cloned receiver/smartcard numbers. In the Nagra 1 system, piracy was possible with ANY numbers. So this begs the question, a company with over 20,000 employees and the best security experts in the
world and billions of dollars in resources, comes up with a security system that forces pirates to use cloned account numbers, presumambly so Dish can blacklist these accounts immediately. Yet, it has been three years and counting and the cloned accounts are still just as active today as they were 3 years ago.
Why doesn't Dish blacklist these numbers? If they did, smartcard pirates would be literally out of business overnight or they would have to resort to using their own private numbers from their own account subscriptions and it is highly unlikely that any pirate would publically share his account.
I have also been told by this same technical expert that if pirates resorted to generating their "own" account numbers, Dish could easily detect any key changes in their receiver firmware and disable those receivers. One can logically conclude then, although Dish has a pretty darn good security system in place to prevent smartcard cloning piracy, they simply refuse to use it.
Even more mind boggling, Dish knows the real life identity of one notorious pirate and his associates who have been providing smartcard "fixes" using cloned account information for years, but there is no litigation against him. He readily admits at xxx.satscams.org (http://www.satscams.org/) that his real name is Fred Marshall and that he talks with JJ Gee (Nagra head of
security) on a timely basis. Since Dish won't blacklist these public accounts and talks to the "pirate" coder, I guess the only logical explanation must be that Dish is behind the piracy themselves, much like NDS was "supposedly" behind the piracy of the Nagra 1 smartcard (now being settled in court).
Because there is a lot of money involved, there is a LOT of bullshit going on in this industry!
Now we move to FTA piracy, the only kind of "piracy" that seems to matter to Dish, at least as far as lawsuits go. It is no secret that every major FTA importer/distributor in the USA has been sued by Dish. In addition, dealers, sales pitch men and others involved the industry are being sued too. I happen to be one of them. The whole indsutry is under
legal assault because Dish wants to put FTA out of business. Permanently.
FTA is perfectly legal. The unit is designed to receive free-to-air KU/C-band transmissions that are being broadcast in the clear. IN fact, FTA has been around since the 1970s, whereas Dish got started in 1994. In fact, the CEO if Dish, Charlie Ergen, was an FTA salesman and C-Band dish installer himself back in the late 1970s. Basically, he used
to do my job back in the day, but now he is sueing me because FTA, is a REAL threat to his business.
An FTA unit can be used to pirate Dish ONLY if a third party bin is loaded onto the unit. All the major importers/distributors load these units with FACTORY bins that can only decode free-to-air transmissions. However, some end users are loading third party bins to their units in order to pirate Dish. Thats too bad and Dish should find those people who design such pirate code and prosecute them.
I have also been informed by a technical expert that once again, Dish has the technical ability to disable FTA piracy, but they choose to be lax. Instead, they ride this "wave" of FTA piracy for their own benefit. For example, during the period August 2005 - June 2006, Dish didn't perform a single electronic countermeasure nor attempt to disable any FTA
pirate box in any way, shape or form. This wasn't because they technically couldn't, but because they wanted the FTA piracy community to build up to hundreds of thousands of pirates who were being "hooked" and spoiled by free Dish programming. On or about June 20 2006, Dish activated a new stream revision that rendered all pirate FTA boxes useless
for a period of nearly 2 months, thus proving they had the technical capacity to disable pirate FTA. During this "downtime", it is clear that Dish benefitted enormously from former pirates who decided to go legit and activate an account with them.
During the period September 2006 - October 2007, once again, Dish did absolutely nothing about FTA piracy and it started to flourish again. On or about November 2007, Dish started a campaign of weekly stream changes to disable FTA pirate boxes. And once again, their activations surged.
The bottom is that this 'cat-and-mouse' game is all about money and shareholder quarterly reports. Even though it is generally accepted that rival DirecTV offers superior programming and more HD channels than Dish, it seems like during the period 2005-2008, Dish new subs have been surging ahead, whereas they had always been way behind DirecTV prior to this period.
Technically, I have been told that Dish can stop FTA piracy if they wanted to with agressive receiver firmware updates in conjunction with smartcard revisions that would utilize a subscriber's private account information to encrypt the keys in such a way that a subbed account would actually be needed in an FTA pirate bin to still work. In fact, the
Canadian provider ExpressVU utilized this method effectively to secure the NFL ticket from all pirate FTA boxes. The only reason it seems they did this was to be in compliance with their NFL contract that states the contract is void if the NFL signal is pirated. Thus, more proof that Nagra can secure their signal, but only do so when they "have" to by law or legal contracts or whatever. But it doesn't matter if they have no such agreement with all the other media providers...they just prostitute those signals away for free because they are not liable for any damages.
Well, that is basically it. I hope Mr. Zakarian has a starting point to begin his legal research into Dish piracy and throw the book at them for being so complicit in this piracy.
The FCC and people in Congress need to know about Dish's so called "piracy" problem and how they at the same time they exploit the situation for their own gain and are trying to bully the FTA industry into shutting down.
__________________
They have a LOT to prove.
-theDSSguy