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mili
06-29-2008, 02:28 AM
Bell has been swapping for the past month pretty agressvely while DishNet just added a card swap channel to channel 998 which some people can see some can not.
What does this all mean for us? Well it all depends if if the new card they swap to (ROM240 and ROM241) is hacked and if hacked how it is hacked.

Scenario 1:
The new ROM24X cards are hacked to pieces by glitching (unlocker) or by finding back doors (ISO programmer) like the ROM10x cards were. ROM card enthusiasts will continue to program their ROM24X cards at the privacy of their homes. Every single FTA receiver will keep working provided their manufacturers are dumb enough to keep supporting old IRDs. If they got half a brain as businessman they will throw new IRDs on the market and sell antoher 5 million units in 3 months. Depending on the speed and memory requirements of the new hacks, Atmegas, USB Atmegas, Armulators and the rest of emulator devices may or may not survive. PC based emus will also be up, along with DVB cards. This would prove that Echostar does not want piracy to stop and this swap was only done to show DTV and the CRTC and FCC they are very serious about stopping hackers, NOT.

Scenario 2:
The new ROM24X cards are hacked in a laboratory requiring serious hardware and educational investment which cannot be reproduced in a home setting using simple hardware and software. ROM card enthusiasts will be shit out of luck and will buy a fucking Viewsat including me. In this scenario the extracted information will be used to enable FTA receivers once again. Every single FTA receiver will keep working provided their manufacturers are dumb enough to keep supporting old IRDs. If they got half a brain as businessman they will throw new IRDs on the market and sell antoher 5 million units in 3 months. Depending on the speed and memory requirements of the new hacks, Atmegas, USB Atmegas, Armulators and the rest of emulator devices may or may not survive. This would prove that Echostar is stuffed entirely by idiots and they once again threw millions of dollars out the window by buying cards from a proven group of morons called Kudelski who put a halfass effort into securing their signal. (my bet is on this one since Kudelsky will want to sell Echostar another 30 million useless Nagra 4 cards two years down the road)

Scenario 3:
The new ROM24X cards are completely secure (yeah right). Only card sharing network enabled FTA receivers (IKS) will keep functioning. ROM card enthusiasts will be shit out of luck and will buy a fucking Neusat including me. Older FTA receivers will be sold an IKS upgrade kit (dongle and shit like that) to enable them to receive authorization keys via the Internet. IMHO fat fucking chance for a secure Nagravision platform so don't never mind this scenario.

Now how long do we have? In BEV's case I'd say end of August, mid September barring unforseen complications with the usual gradual phase out of channels with complete migration to the 240 stream (I know there is only one stream but for the sake of the average idiot I will us this trerm) done by the end of October.
In DishNet's case I'd say completed by January.

Pros and cons of a successful laboratory or software hack.

Pros:
1, The historical halfass or purposeful negative effort put in manufacturing of a secure smart card by Kudelski.
2, Purposefully keeping hacking alive so they can snatch DTV's clients away by Charlie.
3, Hoping to milk FTA manufacturers in lawsuits and use the courts to outlaw FTA and eliminate the competition by Charlie Ergen.


Cons:
1, Accidental securing of their ROM24X cards therefore putting their Signal Integrity departemnt on the street. (yeah right)
2, The complexity of smart cards and the smaller components used make micro probing extremely difficult and maybe impossible.
3, ST finally stopping industrial espionage and they manage to keep the exact specifications of the CPU a secret (yeah right)

milli

badger6
06-29-2008, 05:27 AM
* I concur.




* = ( least I think I do)

mtmt1us
06-29-2008, 05:31 AM
...... ROM card enthusiasts will be shit out of luck and will buy a fucking Viewsat including me....

Now I have heard it all Mili. You don't have one now do you ???

Just kidding LOL :D

badger6
06-29-2008, 06:07 AM
Now I have heard it all Mili. You don't have one now do you ???

Just kidding LOL :D

That was classic !! Freeze frame this one.

cojones
06-29-2008, 10:27 AM
:confused:run that by me just one more time :confused:

Praxis
06-29-2008, 10:43 AM
Good post Mili, very informative. Now it all depends on how fast (if at all) the new cards are hacked. As you said I wouldn't be opposed to joining the FTA team if thats the only way to go - hopefully it wont come to that.

Biggen1
06-29-2008, 04:02 PM
I will buy a Viewsat from Mili in a Sec. if he ever decides to sell them......

Come on Mili give In.........



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mannybeef
06-29-2008, 05:10 PM
my vision of whats to come, by mannybeef LOL


all FTA's are going to need a card slot,, for sure. iks ,,maybe as backup

all Cards will be already open when purchased, and ready to program
with a back door already on them and eventually software to work with them
and it will be a card "modding" service you send in to get it popped and
workable.

i think all reciever mods will need to be done by pros initially ,, for the majority of people,, BUT the modders will enable the IRD to have a "jtag mod"
so we can just jtag the VIP ird when we want later.this of course when they unlock the locked sectors.

armulator st19 atmega's will be working just fine.

we will see though,, just having fun.lol

sirdrinks
06-29-2008, 06:14 PM
This is what I would like to know, what's up with the month + of inactivity on their behalf? Is the SI dept. on layoff? WTF? It's almost like they gave up (yeah right)...

OverEasy
06-30-2008, 11:54 AM
Mili, I'm hoping for a good Cookie Monster story say around february ! !

fubr
06-30-2008, 06:43 PM
This coming up january?

rg6a
07-01-2008, 06:57 PM
I'm not that optimistic that the new cams will be glitchable. I really think it's over. :-(

PS everyone was laughing at the P4/5 intro's and figuring in six months..............

old school
07-01-2008, 08:49 PM
Game over guys, we're dead...again. :D

desrever
07-01-2008, 10:40 PM
Yup my guess end of the road :(

HCCAfan
07-01-2008, 11:00 PM
the sky isnt falling......

havok
07-02-2008, 12:21 AM
the new cams will fall! kudelski has shit hardware!!

madmadmad
07-02-2008, 06:47 AM
i think the answer lies in how quick they hack bev after the swap. as usual this is what makes testing fun

burnt_servo
07-03-2008, 01:49 AM
I will buy a Viewsat from Mili in a Sec. if he ever decides to sell them......
Come on Mili give In.........
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i agree ... i trust milli .....

if he was selling pansat's or similar , i would be buying from him

buying fta's anywhere else can be a crap shoot because the clones are getting so good with some models .