USB Atmega take apart

[Fred Raud]

For those interested. change extension to '.rar'

Fred Raud

[mili]

We have an attachement restriction in place for a reason here. Please upload files at www.bellexpress.vu/forum then link to them.

mili

[Fred Raud]

sorry,,im not a regular here,,wasnt aware

Fred Raud

[smilingjack]

You took it apart
It works
that's all the free TV care about
coders, can't you get along with each other

[Fred Raud]

whos not getting along?

its a legitimate project and im not pulling any punches with it and have no agenda other than to take apart the usb atmega


Fred Raud

[Fred Raud]

i also see someone changed the title of my thread?

Fred Raud

[Wiley-X]

Fred, what are you really expecting here? Mili sells these things and you are threatening his (and Fab5's) business by posting a "take apart". This is the first step to reverse engineering the card and then the legitimate buyers might lose their support.

So whom are you really helping here? If the coder stops support, this is just another AVR-X.

[pecker88]

Fred, what are you really expecting here? Mili sells these things and you are threatening his (and Fab5's) business by posting a "take apart". This is the first step to reverse engineering the card and then the legitimate buyers might lose their support.

So whom are you really helping here? If the coder stops support, this is just another AVR-X.

U forgot to mention, magic and enigma. I think it would be hilarious if the POS is reversed. Maybe then it would have the chance of performing up to its potential. Fab obviously lacks the skill/desire to make it perform correctly. Oh yeah yeah, he 'broke' some of the timing routines. More like, he took code from the dvbn guys because his isn't open source.

From reading...the damn AR and remap locals don't even work...come on!!

[smilingjack]

It look like a SI or court
So I changed it
that what you are doing
.
Calm down guys, This has happened to every thing that the made.
I've got schematic for every thing them made, most posted here. hahahaha
Usually no coders, but be people trying to make their own
or crack the code.
.
Fred, use some pictures, not many people have power point,
I had to converts them for my other form.

[Fred Raud]

there is no threat going on here,,(it wasnt labled 'take apart' it was labeled 'investigation') ,,

as far as who im really helping here,,im hoping im helping anybody who checks it out and thinks to themself 'wow,,thats pretty cool,,id like to do that',,or thinks to themself 'so thats what those things look like nekkid',,,or even on the simplist level 'ok so the chip really is an atmega 2561,,makes sense',,point being,,it would be awesome if some people took a look at it and felt the slightest bit inspired to do something more than log on daily to download files and only report in when their chit dont work,,

i can say this much,,for those that think that my intentions are to dump it and share it with the world,,they dont know me very well,,im so disgusted with people in the hobby that unless something really moves me,,i have no interest at all in sharing what i get when i do dump it,,if a group of people got together and really worked on dumping it and did more than post about how much they deserve everything for free,,then i might be inclined to help a little,,but i think that most that live in the real world know that the likely hood of that happening is slim to none,,first off,,by the time i get this thing dumped,,the card swap may be completely done,,and people dont have enough sense to learn from projects like this to leap from for future projects,,and second off,,I am far from an emu expert,,much less an AVR expert,,so by the time i can make sense of how it works,,people will be on to the next widget on the market,,like i said,,im not pulling any punches here,,its a fun thing to take things apart and learn how they work,,but my days of spoonfeeding ungrateful groups of people are long gone,,

and as for those that think that im on some mission to discredit the usb atmega256,,,,you are far from the truth as well,,I called it 'investigation' cause it described what i was doing,,investigating,,i had some people tell me that it wasnt a atmega256 on board and spoke with the usual 'i got it from an inside source' authority so i investigated to see if it was indeed true,,those that know me know ive never tried to run a business via this hobby,,so i have no reason to attack this device,,and i certainly have no sympathy for those that purchased it and are now crying about service,,it is my firm belief that anybody who does not subscribe to the provider for their main source of tv,,and only use this hobby as a means to learn and the excessive channels is just a perk of some hard work,,is a fool,,this hobby offers an education that you will not get at any university and at a substantial lower cost,,i know people often reply about not having time to learn how things work etc etc,well then i guess those people will be stuck depending on others and really shouldnt complain,,but we all know that isnt going to happen,,

well,,enough soap boxing for me today,,I am going to see if i can find where yall upload files now that im at a place with a decent connection,,and if anybody has any questions about methodology or has some suggestions on how i coudl have went about this better,,ill be around for the rest of the night,,

yall be good,


Fred Raud

[Fred Raud]

It look like a SI or court
So I changed it
that what you are doing
.
Calm down guys, This has happened to every thing that the made.
I've got schematic for every thing them made, most posted here. hahahaha
Usually no coders, but be people trying to make their own
or crack the code.
.
Fred, use some pictures, not many people have power point,
I had to converts them for my other form.
yeah i realized afterwards that alot not only dont have powerpoint,,but some that do have some issues with the coloring and contrast(it shows up great on my laptop,,but not so great on my desktop),,only reason i chose powerpoint is my work is asking me to step up and give some presentations,,so i figured this would be a way to get some practice,,ill probably convert to pdf or something(unless someone wants to be kind enoug to do it for me)

Fred Raud

[smilingjack]

Well,
we don't have a any coder here
and we don't have any builder's here
Just free TV 'ers
.
hahahaha
"days of spoon feeding ungrateful groups of people are long gone"
That all we have here, look at the stickeys,
.
convert to pdf is the way to go
takes great pictures and words too.
.
Power point comes only with "office" and the PP reader sucks

[fubr]

I think cojones has it converted.

[mannybeef]

i think its cool fred

for me and many others this is not possible for many reasons

i have the time to do it sure, most dont

i dont have the equipment, most dont

i dont have the know how or procedures, most dont

and even if i was to hang around one of you know how guys
i would have the time and know how
but i still wouldnt have the equipment lol

so thanks for being crafty and cool and sharing
maybe this will allow at some point for atmega128 fixes to work for
usbatmega256

[rg6a]

Now that's a name that I remember (if it's the original Fred Raud) and if so, he's a good guy, so tread lightly. ;-)

[Hurricane22]

Now that's a name that I remember (if it's the original Fred Raud) and if so, he's a good guy, so tread lightly. ;-)

I'm sure he is the same youre talking about, he posted the same "investigation" at C-C


Nice work Fred!

[Wiley-X]

Sorry to sound offending... I don't personally use one of these, I just know that Fab5 and Mili have sold quite a few of these and (as far as I know) Fab5 has not released any source code.

I just want to emphasize that I am all for group efforts and collaberations.

It's just that I know there are a bunch of people out there (some of them unhappy about the current support this device has received) and if the coder loses the only incentative he has to produce updates (selling the hardware), then this device will go the way of the above mentioned devices.

I don't know Fred personally, but I'm sure he is a swell guy, with noble intentions. It's a shame that more cool gizmos (like the Atmega128) have not been released with a broader understanding of the code and such that there are multiple sources of freeware for the darned thing. Heck, I'll bet Atmega128's sell better now than they ever have!

[Fred Raud]

Sorry to sound offending... I don't personally use one of these, I just know that Fab5 and Mili have sold quite a few of these and (as far as I know) Fab5 has not released any source code.

I just want to emphasize that I am all for group efforts and collaberations.

It's just that I know there are a bunch of people out there (some of them unhappy about the current support this device has received) and if the coder loses the only incentative he has to produce updates (selling the hardware), then this device will go the way of the above mentioned devices.

I don't know Fred personally, but I'm sure he is a swell guy, with noble intentions. It's a shame that more cool gizmos (like the Atmega128) have not been released with a broader understanding of the code and such that there are multiple sources of freeware for the darned thing. Heck, I'll bet Atmega128's sell better now than they ever have!
sorry man,,i dont care if he loses incentive,,anybody who isnt self sufficient by now,,or well on their way,,hasnt been trying,,i gather from his posts he doesnt care if people dump it and learn from it,,he has all but put a reward out to do so,,

bottom line is hacking is hacking,,whether it be against a tv provider,,or against a pirate device,,anybody who thinks there are rules in the game is fooling themselves,,as much as i have no sympathy for the providers for securing their cards as poorly as they do,,i have teh same lack of sympathy for a pirate device designer,,this is all about learning for me,,im not trying to run Nagra or fab5 out of business,,in a capitalist society it is their responsibility to ensure their economic security,,not mine,,

on a side note,,i wish i had got one of these cards sooner,,i played with the software,,and aside from an issue with the software locking up the first time and not shutting down til i restarted my computer(that was probably my computers issue) its really easy to use and i didnt need any guides to get my way through it,,i didnt need to install any drivers or 'support' files for the software,,and if i had a DN ird here ready for a card i probably would have been watching tv in a matter of minutes,,pretty nice,,

Fred Raud