Card Upgrade In Progress

[daiva]

:eek: :eek::eek::mad:I just went on ekb (google dishlist) It seems Dish has started a card exchange EKB reads as follows

Channel 998 now houses a "Smart Card update info". This channel is available at 61.5°, 119°, 118° and 148°. It is also mirrored on channel 5961 except at 119°. This replaced a test channel at these locations. All the 5961 test channels have been removed.


I have checked this out it is very true has anybody heard a date for which card exchange will be complete also has anybody heard of any hack info please let me know sooon:D

If not it could be a very cold winter for us hackers

[smilingjack]

That is old news

[Wiley-X]

Very old news. As far as I know, Dish has not started implementing the card swap.

When he does, it will take several months to mail out over 18 million smartcards to legit sub's.

Last time (blue card to yellow) it took 7 months from the first cards issued to the actual stream swapover (and the yellow card was hacked less than 30 days later).

[daiva]

I just talked to lead tech friend of mine at Dic he says he has begun to see these cards and as you said 7 months this means by new years we could be blacked out for a little while i hope im wrong !!!!!:rolleyes:

[helpless5]

I have a couple subbed units (811's) from d*sh with internal cards. They have already called to swap out these units for new ones. They say it is due to upgrade in HIDEF programming. I'm sure it also has to due with card. It will be interesting to see where testing stands this time next year.

[Wiley-X]

I have a couple subbed units (811's) from d*sh with internal cards. They have already called to swap out these units for new ones. They say it is due to upgrade in HIDEF programming. I'm sure it also has to due with card. It will be interesting to see where testing stands this time next year.

No, that really is an upgrade from Mpeg-2 to Mpeg-4. Has very little to do with the card swap. The Mpeg-4 swapout is supposed to be completed by late August.

Receivers with internal cards will simply have their embedded card disabled and the cardslot activated to accept the new card.

I have access to hundreds of subscribers and NONE of them have reported that they have received a card yet. In fact I don't know anyone that has received a letter yet explaining the card swapout (like when they swapped the blue for the yellow).

[Wiley-X]

I just talked to lead tech friend of mine at Dic he says he has begun to see these cards and as you said 7 months this means by new years we could be blacked out for a little while i hope im wrong !!!!!:rolleyes:

I don't know why your friend would be seeing them, when they do the card swapout, Charlie will sub-contract a company to do the mass mailing of smartcards... Echo* headquarters and the customer service outlets probably will not be involved with actually handling the smartcards.

I am thinking that Charlie will hope to limit access to the new cards (at least initially) only to authorized sub's. Just like when ROM102's were fresh, it was hard to get a hold of a few until natural subscriber churn flooded Fleabay and other outlets with them.

[hughnohoo]

dish also has a card nag on 3 of the test channels around 5800-5900...2 say new card needed now for this channel, other says new card needed by 12/1 for this channel.

[dellsam34]

I would say it's just another stupid step from charlie, By enabling card slot for cardless receivers they will be much easier to hack than what they are now at least it's not affordable and risky for most "testers", he could have used the money he spent on new cards to swap the remaining MPEG2 receivers with MPEG4 ones which may work better for him as most hackable receivers now are MPEG2.

[greenie-monster]

I just talked to lead tech friend of mine at Dic he says he has begun to see these cards and as you said 7 months this means by new years we could be blacked out for a little while i hope im wrong !!!!!:rolleyes:

Isn't it funny how when it comes to rumors, everyone knows someone with a secret.

I talked to my friend, who said his brother's mother-in-law's nephew said pigs could fly.

[unkown_2u]

card upgrade lol thats why cards on sale for 179.00 right?Also why would there be a threat of charlie looping cards again if they were swapping em?I think the looping rumor sounds more logical w all the autoroll blockers floating around,is it just me or is anyone havin trouble finding 1 that does not roll and works?If anyone using one please point me in the right direction cause after 7-13-08 autoroll blcker all that would wrk 4 me an

[unkown_2u]

why dnt i get the card upgrade chnnel im on 3900 rom102 dish the channel not on mine

[unkown_2u]

is davia a charlie spy ckeck out his post he tries to figure out the next step before it happens .like when the 106 keys were added he wanted to kno how to make em roll ,but before that he neede to know how to change the keys ?he seems fishy

[unkown_2u]

See what i mean ,theres prob. gnna be a card swap in the future and he already wants to know asap if anybody hacks the new card.

HIS QUOTE: also has anybody heard of any hack info please let me know sooon

[drgr2005]

No, that really is an upgrade from Mpeg-2 to Mpeg-4. Has very little to do with the card swap. The Mpeg-4 swapout is supposed to be completed by late August.

Receivers with internal cards will simply have their embedded card disabled and the cardslot activated to accept the new card.

I have access to hundreds of subscribers and NONE of them have reported that they have received a card yet. In fact I don't know anyone that has received a letter yet explaining the card swapout (like when they swapped the blue for the yellow).

Although it's a week old news, I still wanted to report that I've received a purple card to replace the existing ROM102 I have.

[Wiley-X]

Purple one? Let's see a scan of it. I have red one's (prepaid) and yellow...but haven't seen a purple one yet...and I have close connections to a lot of subs!

[carlos hamilton]

i have seen purple ones as well

[drgr2005]

Purple one? Let's see a scan of it. I have red one's (prepaid) and yellow...but haven't seen a purple one yet...and I have close connections to a lot of subs!

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[dellsam34]

Hope to see them hacked very soon. at least we know now that a hardware mod most likely will not be necessary for VIP receivers, thanks charlie for the help.

[dellsam34]

Any updates about the card swap for both bev and dish, I just found this on the internet and I'd like to share it eventhough it's not new:

"Bell has been swapping for the past month pretty agressively while DishNet just added a card swap channel to channel 998 which some people can see some can not.
What does this all mean for us? Well it all depends if the new card they swap to (ROM240 and ROM241) is hacked and if hacked how it is hacked.

Scenario 1:
The new ROM24X cards are hacked to pieces by glitching (unlocker) or by finding back doors (ISO programmer) like the ROM10x cards were. ROM card enthusiasts will continue to program their ROM24X cards at the privacy of their homes. Every single FTA receiver will keep working provided their manufacturers are dumb enough to keep supporting old IRDs. If they got half a brain as businessman they will throw new IRDs on the market and sell antoher 5 million units in 3 months. Depending on the speed and memory requirements of the new hacks, Atmegas, USB Atmegas, Armulators and the rest of emulator devices may or may not survive. PC based emus will also be up, along with DVB cards. This would prove that Echostar does not want piracy to stop and this swap was only done to show DTV and the CRTC and FCC they are very serious about stopping hackers, NOT.

Scenario 2:
The new ROM24X cards are hacked in a laboratory requiring serious hardware and educational investment which cannot be reproduced in a home setting using simple hardware and software. ROM card enthusiasts will be shit out of luck and will buy a fucking Viewsat including me. In this scenario the extracted information will be used to enable FTA receivers once again. Every single FTA receiver will keep working provided their manufacturers are dumb enough to keep supporting old IRDs. If they got half a brain as businessman they will throw new IRDs on the market and sell antoher 5 million units in 3 months. Depending on the speed and memory requirements of the new hacks, Atmegas, USB Atmegas, Armulators and the rest of emulator devices may or may not survive. This would prove that Echostar is stuffed entirely by idiots and they once again threw millions of dollars out the window by buying cards from a proven group of morons called Kudelski who put a halfass effort into securing their signal. (my bet is on this one since Kudelsky will want to sell Echostar another 30 million useless Nagra 4 cards two years down the road)

Scenario 3:
The new ROM24X cards are completely secure (yeah right). Only card sharing network enabled FTA receivers (IKS) will keep functioning. ROM card enthusiasts will be shit out of luck and will buy a fucking Neusat including me. Older FTA receivers will be sold an IKS upgrade kit (dongle and shit like that) to enable them to receive authorization keys via the Internet. IMHO fat fucking chance for a secure Nagravision platform so don't never mind this scenario.

Now how long do we have? In BEV's case I'd say end of August, mid September barring unforseen complications with the usual gradual phase out of channels with complete migration to the 240 stream (I know there is only one stream but for the sake of the average idiot I will us this trerm) done by the end of October.
In DishNet's case I'd say completed by January.

Pros and cons of a successful laboratory or software hack.

Pros:
1, The historical halfass or purposeful negative effort put in manufacturing of a secure smart card by Kudelski.
2, Purposefully keeping hacking alive so they can snatch DTV's clients away by Charlie.
3, Hoping to milk FTA manufacturers in lawsuits and use the courts to outlaw FTA and eliminate the competition by Charlie Ergen.


Cons:
1, Accidental securing of their ROM24X cards therefore putting their Signal Integrity departemnt on the street. (yeah right)
2, The complexity of smart cards and the smaller components used make micro probing extremely difficult and maybe impossible.
3, ST finally stopping industrial espionage and they manage to keep the exact specifications of the CPU a secret (yeah right) "

[stimpy]

bell is going to switch center ice porn nfl and ppv to n3 sept 6 and the rest a month later if everything works out

but thats only what i been told so it could be wrong

[Wiley-X]

bell is going to switch center ice porn nfl and ppv to n3 sept 6 and the rest a month later if everything works out

but thats only what i been told so it could be wrong

Told by whom? If you aren't getting reliable information from a source in or close to Bev...please don't spread rumor....info you gather on other sites is NOT reliable information.