St19xl-2.8.00 cardless

[day_tona2]

in the emu file section CARDLESS DISH Not tested on bev.
http://bellexpress.vu/forum/local_links.php

[day_tona2]

i had to push r to reset the emu after i start up st19 every time not shure if its a bug on my side or not if i dont do that it dosent comunicate with the card.

[msl4]

I had to press keyboard "R" 13 times and then keyboard "Q" one time to get it to scroll.

Bottom line.........it works now.

[Miles Long]

Running the DOS version from a floppy, it tells me No Core! even though the ST19.COR file is on the floppy. I even tried putting the file name on the command line.

[cover]

Running the DOS version from a floppy, it tells me No Core! even though the ST19.COR file is on the floppy. I even tried putting the file name on the command line.

Same problem here- says NO CORE and the core file is on the dos boot floppy. This is the stream updated core file, updated 7/24 after the latest ecm. I'll try puting an older version of the core file back on from 7/13 and report back on the results.

[SilentReaper]

Running the DOS version from a floppy, it tells me No Core! even though the ST19.COR file is on the floppy. I even tried putting the file name on the command line.


I was starting to think I was the only one who had this problem.


Same problem here- says NO CORE and the core file is on the dos boot floppy. This is the stream updated core file, updated 7/24 after the latest ecm. I'll try puting an older version of the core file back on from 7/13 and report back on the results.


I doubt it will have any effect, from what I've found, if you simply start st19xl without using any bat file or command switches it will start and does see the cor file, cause if you change the cor file name and start it up the same, it will say "no core!"

[RoadRat]

change your command line to read like this

st19xl.exe -m -o -pe1

thats if your on Com 1.

Basically change all of you "/" to"-". and you sould be good to go.

RoadRat

[cover]

change your command line to read like this

st19xl.exe -m -o -pe1

thats if your on Com 1.

Basically change all of you "/" to"-". and you sould be good to go.

RoadRat

OK, replacing the "/" with "-" onthe command line fixed the 'no core!!" problem.

But now I have 'smart card not inserted correcty nag and ST19 is hung (waiting after it displays the keyboard controls on the monitor. It is not halted at the a prompt. It is just waiting for something.

If I hit R, it says waiting for RST - nomatter how many times I hit R, it still says the same thing 'waiting for RST'

I normally only need to replace the st19.exe file and reboot the dos floppy and the IRD comes back up. That does not work with this version.

I tried pulling the wedge card out to get 'plese insert your smart card' nag and then rebooting the floppy and then inserting the wedge card. That doesn't work either. ST19 never scrolls no matter what I do. And I get the 'smart card not inserted correctly' nag.

Any ideas?

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[SilentReaper]

change your command line to read like this

st19xl.exe -m -o -pe1

thats if your on Com 1.

Basically change all of you "/" to"-". and you sould be good to go.

RoadRat


Well cover just beat me to the punch, thats exactly whats going on here also.

[JT]

To further detail what RoadRat is saying, right click on your .bat file (that's the one with the little yellow gear on it labled ST) , then select edit, then change the / preceding all the commands with - instead. Also, reset is required to boot this version of ST19. PGM made that clear with his original post. That means if the system doesn't boot on it's own, push capital R and it should reset and boot.

[JT]

Another thing is to make sure your running the right 'species' of this version for the way your running st19. There are windows, dos and linux versions included in the file.

[SilentReaper]

JT -- been there tried all that. Now one thing I am unclear about in post #10, do you mean the reset mod will be required for this version to work properly or just using the shift+R reset?

[cover]

To further detail what RoadRat is saying, right click on your .bat file (that's the one with the little yellow gear on it labled ST) , then select edit, then change the / preceding all the commands with - instead. Also, reset is required to boot this version of ST19. PGM made that clear with his original post. That means if the system doesn't boot on it's own, push capital R and it should reset and boot.


Well, those original post notes (to hit R) were not here, nor were they in the txt file. In any case, hitting R does not help.

I even put v2.7.09 back on to be sure my setups are oK. They are OK.

Hitting R does not work with either of my two setups. No matter how many times I hit R - same results - smart card not inserted correctly on IRD, and waiting for RST on st19.

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[JT]

Just the shift R reset should do it, a software reset. Didn't see any issues myself, so kind of stabbing in the dark here. I'll go back and read PGM's original post and word it just like he did. Maybe that will help.

[SilentReaper]

Hey cover, try this, it worked for me after all this stuff, change the / to - on all the command switches, but make sure you don't have -s in the bat file.

Boot up your dos floppy, DO NOT do a shift+r reset, just wait a few moments and then shift+S to turn snooping on, then boot your IRD, I tried that and my IRD is running fine now.



Anybody else thats been having problems with this dos version let me know if it works for you.

[zorin]

I'm running under DOS, and I also had to change the command switches from "/" to "-" to find the .cor file.

Once the program starts, it does not automatically generate a reset. Pressing any of the following commands on the keyboard will generate a reset: r, R, v, V, s, S.
I didn't try any more, but I assume any of the others would generate a reset as well. Once I give it a reset, everything runs well on a 301.010 . My 508 generates a reset, and does not need the additional keypress.

Oh well......... a small bug in what looks to be a major rewrite.

Keep up the good work, PGM, and thanks!

[McLovin]

so should i put -r in the command line to force a reset? not home now so i can't try it.

[zorin]

so should i put -r in the command line to force a reset? not home now so i can't try it.

No, wait until the program starts then press "R" on the keyboard.

Putting "R" in the command line does not work.

[cholla chomper]

This is what my command line looks like and working great did take a reset to start

ST19XL.exe -m -s -t -o -w -pe1

[Little Kenobe]

st19xl.exe -m -w

that works perfect for cardless with emu board on com1

[t160hq]

Started out trying this and like others ran into several problems.

On intial try just replacing the st19xl.exe file got no core!

After trying "/" to "-" and reducing the .bat to basics:

ST19XL.EXE -a -m -pe1 st19.cor

and pressing several buttons s S ect finally got it to boot up
but it would search for keys and eventually give the message
this channel is eligible for instant upgrade. Change the channel
and would repeat the cycle never getting the keys.

After trying several things (faster computer, latest firmware on receiver,
upgrading firmware on two ic interface) with no luck. I replaced the
st19xl.exe with ver 2-7-09. Rebooted and picture came up with freezing.
Did a shift C to save the core. Changed back to ver 2-8-00. Rebooted
comp and receiver and everything worked perfect.

Keys rolled quickly and no extra button presses were needed to reset.

The only two things I think were necessary is the "/" to "-" in the .bat

And a saved working core from the previous version of st19.

The rest may or may not have had any effect. I included the extra steps
just in case.

I used the ironhead 2 chip flash for the atmel in the interface.

t160hq

[JT]

Thank you t160hq. I managed to reproduce the error, but had yet to figure out an easy fix. I did still have to push r, that's little case r, on the keyboard to get reset and boot up. However, going back to version 2.7.9, booting up until video, then saving the .cor (shift+C), then updating to st19 v2.8.0 took care of it. It seemed like I was getting slightly different results with and without snooping in the .bat file (-s) too.

[tiki91]

has anyone tried pulling the card out of the reciver and pushing it back in to see if that will generate a reset.

[t160hq]

Glad I could help JT.

On the reset mine has the mili two chip with reset mod. Which is
likely the reason I don't need to hit the r for a reset. Just a guess
though.

t160hq

[JT]

Internal 3 chip max/mel's here. It seemed like when snooping was enabled, had to reset. When snooping wasn't enabled, didn't have to reset. Results with this version seem to be all over the place. Haven't figured out a pattern or specific cause to it yet. Updating the .cor sure seemed to help though.

[chemlab]

I had trouble with it too... Had to hit R to make it wait for reset but nothing, and then I turned on snooping and it started working.

[McLovin]

used a saved cor from the old version, tried different command lines, still no go.

i get past the downloading program guide and can watch the info channels. when i switch to a regular channel i get card not inserted properly (301.010 ird).

on some tries, after the program guide is downloaded, the ird will turn itself off then on again.

using a homemade max232 with an atmel.

[t160hq]

This version does seem real picky about what it needs to make it work.

Just enabled snooping in the batch. Mine booted up without needing
reset.

Another strange one. Tried my old avr interface with a 8515 and it dosen't
work at all. You just get smartcard not inserted correctly.

So you may need that upgrade to the atmel in a max mel.

t160hq

[zorin]

In my system updating the .cor file made no difference, nor did changing anything in the command line.

The presence or absence of an aux card makes no difference.

Perhaps some of the ambiguity can be explained by the presence or absence of a reset mod on the interface board. My 301.010 does NOT have the reset mod and needs a keypress to give a reset. My 508, by necessity, does have a reset mod, and starts without a keypress. I am not even sure if the 301.010 would generate a reset even if the mod was in place. A 301.013 SHOULD generate a reset pulse, but I would have to try one to be sure.

[RoadRat]

Has anybody got this version to work with a 921 or any 103 for that matter? Thanks in advance.

RoadRat

[pecker88]

Has anybody got this version to work with a 921 or any 103 for that matter? Thanks in advance.

RoadRat

No, not me. The communication b/t a 522 at fw L468 and st19 2.8 is very flaky. Hardware is ruled out, st19 v2.7.9 works fine.

[pgets]

I start the batch file and hit "R". Get ATR. Plug in receiver. It scrolls, satelite counts up, guide loads and then as soon as it trys to roll keys...I get "Invalid Opt Code"... Anyone else getting that also? BTW--using 301.101 receiver

[baron 1]

Has anybody got this version to work with a 921 or any 103 for that matter? Thanks in advance.

RoadRat
I have been trying this on 2 921's no luck after it gets the proper keys etc. It will do a reset by itself every 10 sec or so or invalid opcode but that is more rare.

[jughead69]

Same here on a 522, keeps resetting...

[Eldune]

This version does seem real picky about what it needs to make it work.

Just enabled snooping in the batch. Mine booted up without needing
reset.

Another strange one. Tried my old avr interface with a 8515 and it dosen't
work at all. You just get smartcard not inserted correctly.

So you may need that upgrade to the atmel in a max mel.

t160hq

I am using old avr 8515 and i got smartcard not inserted correctly. then I enabled snooping and its working.

[cover]

Hey cover, try this, it worked for me after all this stuff, change the / to - on all the command switches, but make sure you don't have -s in the bat file.

Boot up your dos floppy, DO NOT do a shift+r reset, just wait a few moments and then shift+S to turn snooping on, then boot your IRD, I tried that and my IRD is running fine now.



Anybody else thats been having problems with this dos version let me know if it works for you.


This step-by-step procedure worked fine and the IRD came up OK with the 'not authorized' nag. Took about 4 minutes for the nag to go away and the audio/video to come in - maybe for the keys to roll, although I saved core at 11AM ET today 24 July 08. Just checked for key updates and that was exactly what took so long - the keys updated at 5:40 PM ET today so they had to roll in my core.

I believe you should 'fix it till you break it' so I did a little experimenting...
I saved core (shift-C) and powered off the emulation PC and waited until the IRD failed and reset and got the 'smart card not inserted correctly' nag. Then I left the IRD powered on and I powered up the emulation PC and let it boot up to the 'starting' display. I then hit shift-S and the scroll started, the IRD took off with the satellite search screens stepping through until the audio/video popped in with no delay this time.

So it seems I can leave the IRDs powered up and just hit shift-S after rebooting the emulation PCs and that's the only change I need to make for this version to work. (not counting the change from"/" to "-" and removal of the -s in my batch file command line)

Of course I need to keep keyboards on the emulation PCs which is a minor irritation since all my emulation PCs are bare bones with no monitors and no keyboards - just floppy drives for dos boot. I guess that's minor - just needs a little more room on the shelf for the keyboards with the emulation PCs in my basement.

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[McLovin]

finally back up again after using the old st19 to update my cor with the latest keys.

hopefully now that it's running it will be able to keep up with key changes.

this problem with the new st19 is clearly a timing issue.

[OverEasy]

Anybody have any luck with the windows version of 2.8.00 ? No luck here with mili's max/mel on a 301.013.

[youngw]

This is weird.
When I boot emu up nothing happens, have to reset a few times to get to scroll. When finally boots, guide downloads and previews work. As soon as I go to change channel scren goes black and after a few SNIC message comes up. Using maxmel/mili and 301.010
PGM working on a more stable version?
2.7.09 works fine but freezing obviously...
I have aux card also...
Can anyone explain why this version is so unstable?

[pecker88]

remember back a few months when the new release of st19 had problems with emu boards and reset mods??

When this happened, rom103 based ird's didn't work with the new release b/c they had the reset mod.

Me thinks the current bug in v 2.8 is similar in nature.

[pecker88]

This is weird.
When I boot emu up nothing happens, have to reset a few times to get to scroll. When finally boots, guide downloads and previews work. As soon as I go to change channel scren goes black and after a few SNIC message comes up. Using maxmel/mili and 301.010
PGM working on a more stable version?
2.7.09 works fine but freezing obviously...
I have aux card also...
Can anyone explain why this version is so unstable?

Why unstable? Perhaps b/c he has re-written a LOT of code, hence the version 2.8 designation rather then 2.7.1x. It is towards the goal of a complete emu of the st19xl cor.

give the guy a break...come on!! How many versions have been unstable?
Out of 38 public releases, I can remember 2 being unstable...including the current v2.8.

Both 'unstable' versions have something to do with the reset/timing with ird.

Now, how many versions of other testing software have been unstable?? Well, if we are talking Enigma or USBAtmega, it is almost every one.

Just sit back and use one of the other 15 testing devices until PGM sorts this out...don't worry, he will figure it out.

[JT]

This is weird.
When I boot emu up nothing happens, have to reset a few times to get to scroll. When finally boots, guide downloads and previews work. As soon as I go to change channel scren goes black and after a few SNIC message comes up. Using maxmel/mili and 301.010
PGM working on a more stable version?
2.7.09 works fine but freezing obviously...
I have aux card also...
Can anyone explain why this version is so unstable?

I got the impression quite a lot was added to this version. There are always bugs when you do that.

[JT]

..don't worry, he will figure it out.

....probably before the end of the weekend or sooner I bet. :D

[secondary]

Confirmed new version works with rom 102 based irds flawlessly. With my 942 rom103 based ird it does not work with multiple pc's dos or windows. Looks like a timing issue, as its processing the data it does multiple resets then back to processing then resets again. I am greatfull of pgm's work dont get me wrong

[nwbee]

My issue with 301s is that I keep getting smart card not inserted correctly. My bat file already had -'s. I plug in ird then run my bat file. Its starts but nothing happens. I can either press S (which toggles snooping but somehow resets first) or R. When I do that, I get sat check, guide d/l, then not authorized. After about 30 seconds, I get a black screen for about 2 mins, then card not inserted correctly. Any suggestions?

[gmtmaster79]

can someone post St19xl-2.8.00 on rapidshare?

[tiki91]

My issue with 301s is that I keep getting smart card not inserted correctly. My bat file already had -'s. I plug in ird then run my bat file. Its starts but nothing happens. I can either press S (which toggles snooping but somehow resets first) or R. When I do that, I get sat check, guide d/l, then not authorized. After about 30 seconds, I get a black screen for about 2 mins, then card not inserted correctly. Any suggestions?


you will need to update keys on your core file first then it should work

[nwbee]

Will this happen every time keys roll?

[cover]

you will need to update keys on your core file first then it should work

Will this happen every time keys roll?


Actually, yesterday at 7 PM ET, I used a core that was stream updated and saved and removed from the floppy drive at 11 AM ET. Subsequently, the DN keys had rolled at 5:40 PM ET so my core was not updated with the latest keys when I later used it at 7 PM ET. It took about 4-5 minutes for the keys to roll and until they rolled I got the 'not authorized" nag. After 4-5 minutes audio/video popped in just fine.

Just to be sure, I then saved core and rebooted. The IRD came up and stepped through the Satellite search screens and the audio/video popped in immediately.

So, at least in this one case the core did not have the latest keys and st19 still worked ok after the 4-5 minutes delay until the keys rolled.

So, based on my sample of one, I'd guess that once you get it going, the keys will roll OK.

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[cover]

My issue with 301s is that I keep getting smart card not inserted correctly. My bat file already had -'s. I plug in ird then run my bat file. Its starts but nothing happens. I can either press S (which toggles snooping but somehow resets first) or R. When I do that, I get sat check, guide d/l, then not authorized. After about 30 seconds, I get a black screen for about 2 mins, then card not inserted correctly. Any suggestions?

I had to remove the -s from my batch file command line. Then with the IRD powered on and the 'smart card not inserted correctly' nag displayed, I booted my st19 emulation PC. Then I wait until the ST19 boots up and gets past the "found aux card" and finally gets to the "starting..." line. At that point I hit shift-S and the scroll starts and the IRD takes off to step through the satellite search screens. After that it's normal with the startup either immediate or delayed while the keys update. The -s had to be removed from the command line. It would not scroll until I removed the -s.

This is with a 4900 or 3900 IRD.

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[JT]

can someone post St19xl-2.8.00 on rapidshare?

It's already there. :)

[jayel]

Confirmed new version works with rom 102 based irds flawlessly. With my 942 rom103 based ird it does not work with multiple pc's dos or windows. Looks like a timing issue, as its processing the data it does multiple resets then back to processing then resets again. I am greatfull of pgm's work dont get me wrong

I agree, I've tried everything with a 522 but no good, got same results with resets.

[secondary]

I have tried A clean image (cleaned with Nagraedit patch for 103 internal no intercept) and I dont see any resets. I wonder if theres a trick to get the right cor going on this version, currenty working on it.

[midgetcoach]

510 and 921, both boot up fine but picture freezes on and off. Seems like a timing problem.

[michsat]

It's already there. :)

Do you have a link please?

[cover]

I stand corrected... In my earlier post I said I believed that v 2.8.00 would roll the keys. I was both right and wrong... It seems st19 v2.8.00 can roll the keys but needs a reboot to do it. At least for me...

The DN keys rolled around 10PM ET today 25 July 08. I think they went active around 10:40 PM ET, because my st19 IRD froze about that time. The IRD then rebooted and I got the 'the smart card inserted is not the proper card for this receiver' nag. I left the IRD powered on and did not save core - just rebooted my dos emuation PC. Hit shift-S and st19 started to scroll, the IRD sequenced through the satellite search screens and then gave me the 'you are not authorized...' nag for about 4-5 minutes until the keys rolled. So it appears that in my case st19 will not roll the keys on the fly, but needs to be rebooted to get them to roll.

Next time this happens, I'll check to see if the new keys are reported and I'll try saving core before I reboot the emulation PC to see if the keys actually got downloaded but could not be activated without a reboot. I'll know that is the case, if the keys are reported to have rolled and after saving core, the st19 boots up and starts the audio/video decoding immediately without having to wait for the 4-5 minutes. That would mean the keys rolled, the keys downloaded, but a reboot was required to activate them.

I'll get to the bottom of this key issue yet...

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[JT]

Do you have a link please?

It's in the files section here as well as most other sites.

[cokemn]

Ok guys this is what it took to get me going.

not this sl19xl.exe/m/a/s
not this sl19xl.exe-m-a-s
THIS sl19xl.exe -m -a -s


dish 6000 IRD

[Angus_mm]

2.8.0.0 is working on Bev. Using UltraAux 1.0.8 and an old AVR.

[cover]

Ok guys this is what it took to get me going.

not this sl19xl.exe/m/a/s
not this sl19xl.exe-m-a-s
THIS sl19xl.exe -m -a -s


dish 6000 IRD


Yes, you always need to put a space between the commands.

A question though...
Did it actually work with the -s in there? Mine would not work with the -s. I had to remove the -s from the command line and then hit shift-S after st19 started. This is with a 3900 or 4900 IRD and dos boot floppy in the emulation PC.

It seems that with this version of st19 (v2.8.00), there is a lot of experimenting with each setup to get them going and the exact configuration and steps needed are configuration dependent.

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[av8wkr1469]

I found if I took off the card reader from com 2 from the computer. This ver. is cardless...it works great. Still have to hit cap R to get the reset going. But, with the card reader hooked up to com 2 I did not get a reset no matter what I did.

[dssexpert]

Both 2800 IRDs. Have maxmel setups without reset mod. 2.8.01 did NOT work for me. When snooping is turned on, I see NO communication at all. Switched back to 2.8.0 and everything working fine. 2.8.01 does NOT work for me...

[cover]

Both 2800 IRDs. Have maxmel setups without reset mod. 2.8.01 did NOT work for me. When snooping is turned on, I see NO communication at all. Switched back to 2.8.0 and everything working fine. 2.8.01 does NOT work for me...


Same here...

I could not get v2.8.01 to run with my 3900 and 4900 IRD and two chip maxmels. I do not have the reset mod. Finally went back to v2.8.00.
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