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spirit
04-04-2009, 06:13 AM
Does anyone have the slinger working with a two way satellite system? The latency times can be quite long for all the reasons they do not make a good gaming ISP. If it is a go I think I'll get one. Let me know so I can order.
spirit
04-05-2009, 03:56 AM
I can understand that not too many have two way satellite. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Could someone comment on the speeds required to get the job done possible including any dish actions that might be implimented. I'm not asking for the crystal ball outlook, just a few intelligent comments from someone.
smitty28
04-05-2009, 09:13 AM
From what i read...dial up speeds are fine....as long as you have a reliable steady connection and have an ethernet port....youre all good
The problem with sat internet is not so much the delay, 20,000 miles to space and back takes 6 to 8 seconds.
the problem is gonna be to manytimes the bird resets your modem or the clouds, or lord knows what just stops transmission for a few seconds.
When I had sat ISP there would be periods of 5 minutes sometimes I would have no internet access.
Yes right now it will work somewhat I even took one to a freinds to test with my laptop and a router and after a few cases of beer and homeaide whine I councluded it would be better than nothing but it was a pain in my ass to sit and watch without any freezing or black screen.
OK the next week end I went back to his house set it up with the new release of the software and same result, would work for freezing only like 3 or four times in and hour so I left it. I had to go back over there twice that night and next morning. the light would go oarange and the only way to get it back to work was to re program the networking part of it then it would go back.
slinger issue?
sat isp issure?
I have not deteremend and going to my buddies house is bad for my liver.
the short version to answer you dude is.....DOnt exspect much but do exspect to be able to watch somewhat.
I hate to discurage a potential customer for mili but got to tell it like it is to the members and he would not have it any other way so if you get one good luck and maybe you will find a way to make it work better.
BTW the friend was on the new spaceway sytem and aimed at the spaceway sat. good download times up load I think is where the problem is and the distance.
From what i read...dial up speeds are fine....as long as you have a reliable steady connection and have an ethernet port....youre all good
I would like to hear someone using dail up chime in on this. I have had a few ask me and I cant answer them yet as to what to do,
all they have is dail up
headoffur
04-05-2009, 04:04 PM
The problem with sat internet is not so much the delay, 20,000 miles to space and back takes 6 to 8 seconds.
the problem is gonna be to manytimes the bird resets your modem or the clouds, or lord knows what just stops transmission for a few seconds.
When I had sat ISP there would be periods of 5 minutes sometimes I would have no internet access.
Yes right now it will work somewhat I even took one to a freinds to test with my laptop and a router and after a few cases of beer and homeaide whine I councluded it would be better than nothing but it was a pain in my ass to sit and watch without any freezing or black screen.
OK the next week end I went back to his house set it up with the new release of the software and same result, would work for freezing only like 3 or four times in and hour so I left it. I had to go back over there twice that night and next morning. the light would go oarange and the only way to get it back to work was to re program the networking part of it then it would go back.
slinger issue?
sat isp issure?
I have not deteremend and going to my buddies house is bad for my liver.
the short version to answer you dude is.....DOnt exspect much but do exspect to be able to watch somewhat.
I hate to discurage a potential customer for mili but got to tell it like it is to the members and he would not have it any other way so if you get one good luck and maybe you will find a way to make it work better.
BTW the friend was on the new spaceway sytem and aimed at the spaceway sat. good download times up load I think is where the problem is and the distance.
The delays should not be that bad. The actual propgation of radiowaves take about 1/4 second round trip to the satellite belt and back. Indeed there are more delays using sat internet, but if you try pinging a server via sat internet you will see pings in the order of 800ms. The 800 is from ground to space to ground to the server you are pinging and back.
The short answer is you should have no more than a 1/2 second delay and likely everything will work fine.
spirit
04-05-2009, 07:04 PM
I checked my ping times (Run--CMD--dos screen) using a wireless connection from my laptop to popular sites like goog, yahoo, and even my website and response times ranged from 600mSec up to 1,600mSec. The average was around 800mSec. Do these ping times scare anyone who might say the times are just to close for reliable operation? I tried to ping Mili's site and the response "timed out" was the message. Now that brings up the question as to where the server resides. It would seem to make sense that they are state side because that is where the real sub is. For other reasons it would make sense to have the server out of country. This would add additional delay. Since the data packs are small (from what I read) dialup would beat a sat system hands down. Could someone give me a server location at or near where the actual one resides so I might ping off of it along with others that have up and running systems so we could compare times. Understanding the timely flow of data is critical. Is the data flow from the server to the client one way? Or is it a request/answer with two times the delay times? I'm not trying to talk this into the ground, but with a simple data gathering from the working and nonworking we could talk about time limitations maybe allowing for a tweek in the system design or many saving time with something that will never work. For those who know much more than I do perhaps you could take hold of the thread and steer it in the right direction. I may have to buy one and try it. Thanks!
Dailup will work with this setup:
Vista
Use ICS
(right click on dialup connections )
dialup connection properties
click on sharing tab
check - allow other network users to connect through this computers internet connection.
Use a crossover cable to connect the slinger to the computer.
might have to set firewall to allow upd packets in the windows firewall exceptions or advanced sttings
or use a real firewall and when it pops up tell it to always allow when asked.
I have not tried dial up yet but the ics should work like zoom said to do it.
problem is most dial up is very slow not the 56kbps it can be.
where I lived it was always like 28kbps.
spirit the hughes does work with it and could might even work with ics only problem is a hughes modem, any newer one you get uses 192.168.0.1 as the internet gateway and windows wants to use the nic as 192.168.0.1 also. I never seen a windows ICS way around this so you would have to have a static ip from hughes or a modem that did not use the same addy as a gateway or there would be no way to avoid a network collision on that IP
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