What happened to st19 v2.8.19?

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st19 v2.8.19 has been on other sites for a week now...

Are there not enough members here who care? I understood the 48 hours delay, but this is extreme.

I come here partly out of habit as this was the first site I found that had info on st19. I also have found help here when I needed it early on. with st19. But when you look at previous versions of st19 and the number of recent downloads, the number is so small that it would appear that everyone is getting their copy from another source. I can't believe that 'everyone' donates and thus gets their own personally delivered copy.

I also noticed a decrease in interaction on at least the emulation forum in general.

Don't know what all this means, just an observation.

For me, I'm looking into Slinger as the next technology that will come to the forefront as the N2 demise is imminent. At least until when and if N3 is cracked. Not holding my breath on the N3 crack, the DTV folks that are still waiting, are out of breath by now after about 4-5 years of waiting.

The Slinger forum seems to be gaining a lot of interest now.

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[ruciz]

I think 18 is still working for the masses, so 19 was forgotten about... it did come out the 27th if I recall correctly... todays the 5th... or 4th some places..

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I think 18 is still working for the masses, so 19 was forgotten about... it did come out the 27th if I recall correctly... todays the 5th... or 4th some places..


Actually the v18 started freezing the same as everything else around March 26th. v19 was created March 27th and was generally available around March 29th but has never shown up on this site. I found it on another site and wondered if there is no more interest in st19 here? Thus, this post...

Ii is obviously to be short lived as DN phases in N3. Looks like Slinger may be the next possibility but has it's own set of problems too...


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[ruciz]

I wasnt aware it was freezing. is V19 freezing now too? noticed at a buddys place he was ST19 and Yes Man was a frozen man for most of the movie.. guess its time for V20! the last before N3..

[Zerokill]

A good many of the people running ST are donators that get the updates emailed to them directly.

I am predicting that interest in Emulation and the MaxMel device will increase a hundredfold here shortly...call it partial intuition and partial knowledge that there are "things brewing" in the underground world.

Emulation is FAR from dead my friend....and be careful which sites you get your copy from....it is a MUCH better idea to donate and get on a good emailing list for a fantastic product...you never know when something "good" will go underground.

[ruciz]

maxmel devices are dead my friend.. They are too old and better, faster, and more compatible contraptions are out now, should they be needed.

The principal though - stellar. Full control over the card on-the-fly, that will never die. I hope the underground has good developments that don't drain the pocketbook tho. This hobby has gotten fairly boring recently :(

Remember N2 phase in, emulation was the last to come up.. always. everything else was fixed first, and then ported to emulation until St. then ST was the ONLY thing going, due to its reliance on a valid cam to do its homework.. It would be nice to go back to the AVR days though :)

[sirdrinks]

Anyone know if Cancom is still selling his emulator kits?

[ruciz]

nope, he publically left a long time ago.. due to PGM

http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80259

[QwerkE]

maxmel devices are dead my friend.. They are too old and better, faster, and more compatible contraptions are out now, should they be needed.

The principal though - stellar. Full control over the card on-the-fly, that will never die. I hope the underground has good developments that don't drain the pocketbook tho. This hobby has gotten fairly boring recently :(

Remember N2 phase in, emulation was the last to come up.. always. everything else was fixed first, and then ported to emulation until St. then ST was the ONLY thing going, due to its reliance on a valid cam to do its homework.. It would be nice to go back to the AVR days though :)

Boy, you really need some work on your emu history. Max/mel devices are far from dead. What would these newer, better contraptions out today be that are so much better? Emulation was not the last platform to be working with N2, it was one of the first. And finally, AVR's and max/mels are quite similar other than the AVR is mounted on a wafer. A lot of AVR's use the very same atmel 2313 chip as max/mel boards do. The ones that don't use an atmel 8515 chip. AVR's also emit RF leakage at a frequency that can be tracked by search and rescue radios.

And yes, Cancom is officially retired. Last I heard he'd even had a fire sale for all the equipment left on the shelf. He is still supporting his products though.

[sirdrinks]

Wow, that's too bad, he made really nice little internal units, I've been running one in my 510 for a couple years now...did he ever post any Gerber files for them? Going to be testing RQCS soon...

[ruciz]

Boy, you really need some work on your emu history. Max/mel devices are far from dead. What would these newer, better contraptions out today be that are so much better? Emulation was not the last platform to be working with N2, it was one of the first. And finally, AVR's and max/mels are quite similar other than the AVR is mounted on a wafer. A lot of AVR's use the very same atmel 2313 chip as max/mel boards do. The ones that don't use an atmel 8515 chip. AVR's also emit RF leakage at a frequency that can be tracked by search and rescue radios.

And yes, Cancom is officially retired. Last I heard he'd even had a fire sale for all the equipment left on the shelf. He is still supporting his products though.

Why do you think cancom retired? his devices were being rendered useless by direct connection (no mel, no frequency creation, simpler and cheaper design) and it connects via USB rather than serial. The schematics of such item is right on this forum, and PGM added flags to his program for that support. now CEMU, which is running off a base of ROM10 hacks still uses this protocol -- if support isn't already there to handle the baud rate conversion I am sure it could be easily added, or drivers modified...

Emu did work, but it was a rocky road in comparison to other methods.. anyone remember the 'ghettoroll' phase? or the famous ROM101 emu that we adored until 102s came to play?

I just can't see any new system hack that requires a MaxMel setup present.. Im not saying emulation won't work, just if people can use a netbook running a small linux distro and connect direct via USB to the IRDs why bother gettng a noisy full tower setup with some serial cards for the same purpose?

[ynotchutup]

Emu Been Berry Berry Gud 2 Me. It's been working most of the time for as long as I've been testing since '99. I'll miss it if it goes but times change. As for maxmels vs. USB, I built our house a couple years ago and put in CAT6 and phone line to each location that will be used for TV. My emu machine is in a loft, out of the way and I can access it from anywhere using a laptop and Teamviewer. I can run emu for 4 STBs from one out of the way location no problem. So how do you think a USB solution will be better? What's the length limit on USB, 16Ft? If it can be longer with active cables it would be a nightmare to pull it through our insulation packed walls anyway. I don't think PGM added the reset requirement because he had something against maxmels. He said it was to be correct in his implementation of the emu of the card. You have plenty of experience with emu and other forms of testing and I'm sure have your reasons to dislike maxmels/emu but it's been great for me and a few of my close friends. BTW it doesn't get much easier to support than logging onto an emu computer via the net and exchanging st19.exe or cemu.exe. Much easier than writing to a card for a friend or relative, and I've had cards got tits up while writing for no reason at all. Never had that happen with emu.

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[ruciz]

I have nothing against maxmels at all, don't get me wrong. its just better ways to do the same thing these days... anyone who went through the trouble of making a maxmel interface, digging up a power hungry beater system with a floppy drive in it with a bunch of serial ports, adding a trick reset line to suit ST know...

USB is one chip, maybe 2 depending how fancy you want to get or how long you are making the cables... I have heard of 75 foot runs working perfectly and have seen 30 foot ones without incident.

I mean if you have the setup then you are good to go, if you don't why bother when you can simplify it so much?

[QwerkE]

I have nothing against maxmels at all, don't get me wrong. its just better ways to do the same thing these days... anyone who went through the trouble of making a maxmel interface, digging up a power hungry beater system with a floppy drive in it with a bunch of serial ports, adding a trick reset line to suit ST know...

USB is one chip, maybe 2 depending how fancy you want to get or how long you are making the cables... I have heard of 75 foot runs working perfectly and have seen 30 foot ones without incident.

I mean if you have the setup then you are good to go, if you don't why bother when you can simplify it so much?

I've messed with the USB versions of max/mel set ups. They suck. One of Cancom's three chip boards is the way to go. You don't need a floppy and can run many versions of cemu and st19 off of one computer. It sounds to me like your relatively new to emulation ruciz. I've been running it since N1 and it's been as reliable as anything out there and far better than most. I don't have one yet, but a good DVB board will do everything an FTA receiver will do including IKS, and that's emu too. Bottom line is, a new era is coming and we don't know for sure what will be the best way to go. I don't think it will happen, but we may all end up subbing. :oAs adaptable as these emu set ups are, I'd say emu has as good or better chance of still working as anything else on the market at this time. The armulator looked promising, but those guys seem to have left the building.

[ruciz]

I know of no where you can get the at90s2313 chips anymore, they are not being made. ATTiny2313 is a much better chip anyway spec-wise. They were hard to get when N2 was coming into play 3 years ago... can't see them being much easier or cheaper now.

USB work fine if you set it up properly with ST flags for your baud. Otherwise you gotta be running a win setup and modify the serial->usb drivers or nothing agrees with anything.

I had used that design myself with the caps, and the 4066 chip for switching.. I have been building the setups since in N1 days, read some of my posts I am far from new at EMU... its the preferred way of testing in my eyes.

I guess I am cheap and lazy though. I build everything I can, built my own programmers, my own glitcher (never do that again), own maxmel boards, buffered jtag devices.. I just find the USB design to work better than the maxmel, as no chip programming is need, and is much easier to make yourself as you don't even have to drill a hole in your clad. it also 'emulates' the card more accurately, as it passes the card info along rather than making a mel flash to hold the info that needs to be updated with new card revs. (well, if you want it to look 'legit')

If you are a buyer rather than a builder, why bother with USB unless you need it? you can buy the system to run it, buy the lava cards, buy the maxmels, your 100 or 200 feet of cabling, the 3100s and just connect the pieces. If you are a builder, and you have built a maxmel and have built a USB version - its night and day.

[Workmen]

No cables on new usb design! Aux goes in ird card slot! LOL Alot of change is coming!!!

[sirdrinks]

Can someone (Workmen or Ruciz) point me to this new USB design? I've upgraded to a dell studio laptop and of course, the GD thing doesn't have any old school ports, not even a damn PCMCIA slot...of course, plenty of USB ports though...USB pisses me off, I almost always pick the wrong orientation when trying to plug something in!

[ruciz]

I got the transparency and bom printed out that I use to etch with.. I don't have the files handy as my computer decided to piss off and destroy its 2.5tb data I was building since 2004. Miserable thing. Now to get that apple & time machine so this don't happen again.

It is on this site though, the thread even shows how to modify the windows drivers for the proper baud rate to work with CEMU.. when I get more time I will try to dig it up.

actually heres one version, read through the tread I think they cover the non atmel version futher in.
http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76543 (I am sure it can be live, but you will have to C&P to be safe)

[JT]

I haven't seen one myself, but I hear the second generation USB paddles will allow the switching on and off of the atmel and some other neat tricks. Sounds to me like there is some new and exciting emu boards, if you want to call them that, coming out here in the relative near future. There may even be hope for N3 emu if the right information about the N3 encryption also becomes available at the same time. ;)

[ruciz]

I think the N3 will be IKS sharing, no card hacks for at least 6-8 months if N2 has shown us anything... These devices interface the IRD to a computer, all we need is someone to write that pic or other controller code to interface directly to the net so we can take out the computer.... *Hope I am wrong, hope I am wrong*

Switching mel? what benefit would that offer over direct cam emulation? if you powered off a mel you would lose your camid and DNASP wouldn't you, as thats what its there for, correct?

Soon as you get some schematics feel free to share, I got a lot of clad and a laserjet thats itching to print some new etching patterns...