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bitbanger
04-10-2009, 04:14 AM
I have been reading everything I can find about the Slinger IKS but I haven’t found any detailed theory of operation. I have read a lot about the overview operation of which basically the receiver requests authentication from the card which is extracted from the ROM image and whatever the ROM image cannot provide is requested from the sub’d client Slinger. Note: when I use the terms server and client in the following I am referring to the Slinger units not the ISP internet system.
I have a Slinger on order awaiting the next build release from the mfgr which will be shipped next week. I have read there is a lot of freezing occurring; some of which has been attributed to the user ISP while the rest being attributed to new product debug.
That being said, I have a performance concern and theory of operation questions relating to the concern.
With the release of the next build, not knowing if the build is for a few hundred or thousands of units, how will the increase of new products accessing the Slinger server unit(s) affect the freezing situation. Is the freezing attributed to Slinger server unit overload or internet delays or just new product development or what??
Another question would be is how often is the receiver requesting authorization from the card –miliseconds, seconds, minutes,………….
Not knowing the detailed theory of operation, I can picture two scenarios:
When required, the client requests specific authorization data based on the channel selected and only receives the data required for that channel all of which is dependent on the receiver numbers. The bandwidth being eaten up by all the client specific data sent, the server having to crunch that data and then transmit it back to the client.
Or
When required, the client requests authorization data from the server and the server dumps all the data it has and the client sorts out what is applicable to its needs.
Where I am going with this is the bandwidth required to access the server from thousands of clients(if indeed that is the freezing issue cause). Would the system be more efficient if everyone used the same receiver numbers and instead of the thousands of clients having to request data, the server could just continually broadcast the data and let the client sort out what it needs. Could we have a fast server channel for public numbers and another channel for more specific private numbers that require more bandwidth?
Am I a clueless newbie or am I thinking on the right track for a serious tester????
Thank You Very Much for your time and responses

havok
04-10-2009, 04:18 AM
its only been out for 2 months and already having problems. thats not good!!

bitbanger
04-10-2009, 04:48 AM
But it's not bad either - at 2 months the balls haven't even dropped ;-)

Development = testing = bugs found & reported & repaired = lots of time to perfection or failure - 10 years to get to the moon

Some concepts are valid but before the technology required - i.e. we may need to wait for all to have gigabit bandwidth from end to end

If no one buys waiting for perfection, no development stimulus, no testing feedback

Our fingers are crossed..............

dork1
04-10-2009, 04:49 AM
its only been out for 2 months and already having problems. thats not good!!

Or. Its only been out for two months, and its got bugs? Hell Nfusions been out for well over a year and there having problems too.

havok
04-10-2009, 05:12 AM
remember that when n2 is gone all of u that have to go private. now how many of u know someone that will share their private information with u. u will see how many will be stuck with their thumb in their a@@ when the switch is made!

bitbanger
04-10-2009, 05:19 AM
Can we get back to my original post??????

Anyone know the specifics of the freezing issues are??
I'm just curious about what I've committed to without any preconceived expectations
Thanks

Zerokill
04-10-2009, 08:19 PM
No one knows what the freezing is attributed to. And if it is bad engineering that requires a "new product build" then the manufacturer surely is NOT going to release that info...that would piss off the beta customers something fierce.

When there is something new....there are always the people that got to have it first... these are called BETA CUSTOMERS. They find the bugs/problems and report them...thus the manufacturer can make a "better" product for the FOLLOW-ON customers.

The problem with this is that if the BETA PRODUCT is so bad that it gets a bad rep...then there are very few FOLLOW ON customers that will pay $200+. Thus it's not worth it to manufacture the product and support dries up (especially if the souce code has not been released).

That is why it is pretty important for the source code to be released in a timely manner...both CLIENT and SERVER.

cover
04-11-2009, 03:27 AM
My simplistic view sees Slinger as a type of emulation, in many ways like st19. When st 19 needs information not available locally it gets it from a remote source - the aux card. When Slinger needs anything that is not available locally, it gets it's information from a remote source - over the internet. Both have problems dealing with ecms that rely on specific 'timing' that can only be exactly correct with a real card in the card slot. Other wise the timing needs to be spoofed in such a way that the IRD finds it acceptable. that makes both methods an easy target of timing check ecms - just like FTA.

Another thought... there will be support so long as the Slingers continue to sell - again just like FTA. There will be a lack of support when sales drop off for any reason.

Just my two pence worth - and I could be wrong...

Cover

wildthang
04-11-2009, 05:18 AM
Here's your answer posted by the IKSEngineer today 4-10,
C&P
Server Migration - April 10, 2009

By Monday, we will have a new, reliable server in operation with no restrictions on CPU, bandwidth, etc.
The current server is complete crap, but will be left live for people to test their slingers over the weekend
Also, software version 1.09 will be released!.
The current server is knocking users off when CPU quota is exceeded, and hence all the freezing for some people..


Can we get back to my original post??????

Anyone know the specifics of the freezing issues are??
I'm just curious about what I've committed to without any preconceived expectations
Thanks

bitbanger
04-12-2009, 04:32 AM
Thank You Everyone for Your Replies.....................

mruk69
04-12-2009, 07:56 PM
Guys, if you have a Slinger you need to visit this site and CC daily to get the latest news. IKS Engineer answers most of the questions posted on CC.

For all the gripers complaining about freezing and such, you are the kind that should old off buying items the moment they come out. Keep reading threads on the problems and whenever you decide that the problems have been worked out, then order the product.
Don't get me wrong, but there are countless threads on the same problems. If they had bothered to read both forums they would of realized what the problems are and the solutions.