5100 dead hard drive questions

[Rental_Metard]

Hey Guys,

I had a hard drive die on a 5100 a few years back. On top of that I ended up
messing up my TSOP to the point that jkeys would not let me write any more. I
just recently decided to dust the unit off and see if I could get it back up and
running. The good news is I can now get it to flash program in jkeys, I had to
jump OJ1 whereas before I was just grounding pad 1.

So my problem is this, I can not for the life of me get this unit to stream
update to the most recent s/w version. I can write software into the tsop no
problem, but I can not find anything online recent enough for the new nagra 3
cards. I have a saved E546 but once again I program it and all is well but when
I stick the card in it gets no programming as the software is too old for N3.

My question is would the dead hard drive be preventing the reciever from stream
updating? I also did a sector erase in flash 2 to try and force an update but
that did not work either. I've searched around a ton for a DCKD software that is Nagra 3 ready (E6XX) but could only find one and when loaded would not detect sat signal. The problem seemed to be with the file though as other files of earlier software would detect signal no problem.

Another thing I noticed is flash edit detects my bootsrap but when I read in jkeys the bootsrap is always XXXX. Would this be related to the dead hard drive? If not is there a way to fix this?

My last question is I've looked over the list of approved hard drives and have been checking ebay. Some of the approved drives can be found but are listed as "BARE OEM DRIVE". After a bit of google searching the description I come to is "An OEM bare drive is one that is pristine out of the factory, with no partitioning, formatting or any software (http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/75562-what-oem-bare-drive.html#) on it". Should I be able to simply plug that drive in and skip the zero fill part of the remarrying steps?

I see I've written a bit of a novel here, sorry I just wanted to make sure I provide as much info as possible. Thanks in advance for the help.

[skinerd]

There are 3 types of 501/508/510 tsops, 501, 508 moved bootstrap and 508 moved ird info, it depends on which is selected as to the reporting.

the 1st 2 mentioned are normally DT08 while the moved ird info uses SKs. You need to flash it with a file modified to what you are trying to accomplish.

Also you can use any size compatible drive, 40, 80 or 120 gig, and it will work fine.

A new drive should be blank, a quick zero may be need to assure that.

[Rental_Metard]

There are 3 types of 501/508/510 tsops, 501, 508 moved bootstrap and 508 moved ird info, it depends on which is selected as to the reporting.

the 1st 2 mentioned are normally DT08 while the moved ird info uses SKs. You need to flash it with a file modified to what you are trying to accomplish.

Also you can use any size compatible drive, 40, 80 or 120 gig, and it will work fine.

A new drive should be blank, a quick zero may be need to assure that.

I've managed to somehow make it this far without proper knowledge of DT08 or Sk's by using programs such as Codespace (for b3v) and then using my sub when N3 came out. I'm reading up on it now though...just not 100% up to date yet.

What I am trying to do is confirm that the ird is working properly (i.e. will stream update) before I get a replacement drive for it. I just checked and the files I had loaded on it defaulted to - moved bootsrap in flash edit and I did not adjust that, so that would be what I have had loaded in the TSOP.

That being said I did not do anything in the sense of DT08 or Sk's. Although would that be causing me the inability to stream update or the bootsrap read of XXXX in jkeys?

I should probably correct the stream update issue before getting too concerned about the Sk's...unless you feel the two are related?

From my brief reading of the DT08 it looks like that requires a cam image (something I do not have of my sub, and as far as I know can not get off of the current card). So would I be correct in assuming that I will need to use a program such as flash cloner to retrieve the SK's from the 2700 (subbed ird) and then apply those SK's to the TSOP on the 5100?

[Rental_Metard]

Ok So I just checked out Flash Cloner, and my 2700 TSOP didn't have SK info on it. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction of what I would need to do. I have converted both a dish 501 and 508 in the past to bev. The 501 was used for testing (which is the one in question in this thread). The 508 I did for a friend and was as simple as zero'ing the hard drive, put in virgin TSOP and EEPROM with matching ird number and boxkeys to his subbed receiver. Married the hard drive and then sector erased and let it download the latest bev software. After that it was as simple as plugging in his subbed card and it worked no problem.

I have no problem doing some reading on the proper method to accomplish what I am after, I'm just not sure what the next step would be without valid SK on the 2700 and also no cam image of the subbed card.

[Zerokill]

"Legacy" receivers (old school style) receivers, such as the 2700 do not use SK's...they use DT08 (which explains why you can't find the SK's in your 2700 bin....

Skinerd told you the correct procedure...you are going to have to convert your 501/5100 to use DT08 if you want to clone your 2700 over to it. Do a search on Skinerd's posts, I'm sure he has posted the proper way to do this, he is quite the expert on PVR/DVRs.

[skinerd]

I have converted some PVRs that refused to stream update, most update just fine but once in a while one will not.
Use a virgin tsop to marry the drive then a later one to update with if needed.

Actually flash cloner should do all the cloning work, chances are the 501/5100 does not use SKs anyway.

Also, cloning was easy back in N1 days, N2 complicated it with SKs, but still easily done.

[Rental_Metard]

OK I will have a search for topics on making 501/5100's use DT08. I should mention that I also put in a flash from the 501 into the Flash Cloner utility and it also had no SK info (all FF'ed out). However I don't know enough about DT08 to be able to say one way or another whether all the info needed in that section was there. Thanks for the help guys, I'm sure with a bit of persistance we can get this guy back up and running properly.

[Rental_Metard]

I have converted some PVRs that refused to stream update, most update just fine but once in a while one will not.
Use a virgin tsop to marry the drive then a later one to update with if needed.

Actually flash cloner should do all the cloning work, chances are the 501/5100 does not use SKs anyway.

Also, cloning was easy back in N1 days, N2 complicated it with SKs, but still easily done.

Oops didn't see your post here. Yea I have ran across a 4700 once that I fought with for the longest time trying to figure out why it would not stream update. In the end I had to just progam it with new s/w if I wanted it updated.

You mentioned that flash cloner should do all the cloning work. I have it open right now and there seems to be 3 options of interest.

move SK/DT08 on clone - I assume this should be chosen
Move RSA Keys on Clone - not sure if this should be selected or not
Move Bld Data on Clone - Also not sure

From your description earlier it sounds like I should have the "moved bootsrap" selected in Flash Edit (which it has been so far).

What would be nice is if I could find a way to make this guy update (even if sector erase would work I'd be happy). I do not have a replacement hard drive for this unit yet. I probably wouldn't want one if it could not update....I spent about 2 hours on the weekend searching for the correct TSOP to bring the s/w up to date and only found 1 file, which had issues with detecting sat signal.

Then again I do have a 508 on the way through ebay. If I get real lucky it might have the same build config. I am under the impression that a 501 & 508 use the same software and the only difference is in the size of the harddrive?
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[Rental_Metard]

Some bad news on this guy. I tried to load in a virgin tsop found at the dishmod group s/w P063. No problem erasing the flashes but had troubles when trying to load the TSOP. Here is what has been done:

1) Erased Flash 2
2) Erased Flash 1
3) loaded in virgin eeprom
4) Attempted to load flash 2 but got error right away and nothing loaded
5) erased flash 2 again (when I erase I always do 3 times)
6) tried to load flash 2 again, this time it loaded about 3% and then gave another error

Now what happens is when I start up jKeys the device ID, Device & IRD Model are present but all other info is blank (box keys, build cfg etc.). When I try to enter either flash or eeprom programming I get the following error "Error reading from DCUControl register". Once I click ok I get the secondary error "Could not initiate access.". After I click ok I am in the flash programming screen however erase, read & program ability is completely disabled.

I've tried with a few different versions of Jkeys all with OJ1 jumped. I am confident that the JTAG is hooked up properly.

So have I succesfully created a doorstop now or is there some hope of getting this guy back to life? I should mention that this is with a simple JTAG as my buffered is broken....but I did just order a new buffered from diygadget.

I've done a bit of googling on the particular error that I am getting but aside from people having found random solder blobs shorting out chips (which I have looked for) I haven't found any solutions. I've also checked the temp of the chips in the ird and none of them are running hot.

[SHADOWZONE]

No harm done though, Just fully exit JKeys and restart before attemping to erase and flash again. Some 501's are tempramental so keep trying different techniques. It's been awhile since I have done any of mine, but I believe I used JKeys 2.910. Check all your connections good, I soldier a parrell cable to all mine so all I had to do was ground 0j1 to ground, case ground should be good enough. Grounding is not necassary to erase just to flash right before you hit O.K. Recheck that you are using the proper pin connections either in forum or files section or I can dig up the proper connections needed. I believe some 508's required a vidmod. Need any other help ask again.

[Rental_Metard]

Ok it seems that persistance did pay off in this case. I double checked everything with a multimeter and all of it checked fine. I then decided I would start trying out different things one at a time in Jkeys. The first thing I did was unjump OJ1 and hooked it back up to my PC. Sure enough the trap sets but I get flash codes fffff error which I have seen before in 301's. I then hook OJ1 back up and was able to erase the flashes and load in the virgin s/w. The weird thing was I did check OJ1 with the multimeter and the jump was good and solder wasn't crossed on to anything that it shouldn't have been.

Anyhow the virgin flash now gives me a good bootstrap read in Jkeys! Unfortunatley I hooked it up and got the Dish display like should be expected. So I went back into Jkeys and erased SA 60 in flash 2 (3 times) and hooked it back up in the stream. It looks like this guys still refuses to stream update :mad:

Is it possible I am missing something? My experience with PVR's is a bit limited but I have tons of experience with other models like 2700, 4700, 301's. I do not have a card in place after I do the sector erase, but I have never needed to have a card in with other models to do a forced update.

This may or may not be interesting or of some help to solve the problem but after doing the sector erase the ird seems to perform as if I had not done anything at all. What I mean by this is the receiver can be turned on and go to system info screen...should it be able to start up and act properly after a sector erase?

I think next step would be to take a read from SA 60 and then open it in something like Hex Editor to see if it is all FF'ed out (I assume this is what the sector should be after being erased but I have never had a reason to check).

Any other ideas would be appreciated.

[Rental_Metard]

Out of curiosity I did go ahead and read SA60 after I had done the sector erase and in Hex Editor is is all FF'ed out. Has anyone every had success erasing all three sectors that prompt a forced update? I believe they are SA52, SA54 & SA60. Also I'm not sure if you are allowed to ask in here or not, but there is nothing in the download section. If anyone has a updated b3v DCKD 5100 s/w they could send me I would greatly appreciate the help. Otherwise I will keep on with trying to figure out why this ird refuses to update itself.

[SHADOWZONE]

I don't use bev so can't help you there, I can give you a virgin dish 501 or can probably tell you where to get a bev virgin. ( same bootsrap as your reciever or edit it. )

1. Edit your IRD & Boxkey #'s in the virgin TSop ( use FlashEdit ) save file

2. JTAG reciever erase Eprom and both Tsop images ( 3 times on each to be safe )

3. Write virgin Eprom & saved Tsop image U7
( You must conect 0j1 to ground to flash TSop at the O.K. screen, you may have to unplug and replug reciever.)

4. Put reciever in stream for up to 30 mins. ( pluged in and turned off )

5. check software version in info screen ( it should have definitely updated )

6. If harddrive is still good you can Remarry the drive to reciever by erasing SA17 if memory serves.

7. If harddrive is not any good and U want one you have to get one of the limmited types usable in the 501 20 to 80 gigs. but only exact drive on the list and format it.

If you need a harddrive list or any other help, ask.

[cpm]

This worked for me last year....

DVR 501 DCEA.
Loaded tsop with a working DN P369 firmware and Atmega - getting picture.
Erased SA52.
Hooked up to 91W direct to receiver (no switch).
Left it for 40 mins.
It streamed and upgraded to E661 bev firmware.

I do have a E553 DCKA tsop image - I can post it if it's any use ?
Or the E661 (but it's for DCEA).

[Rental_Metard]

I don't use bev so can't help you there, I can give you a virgin dish 501 or can probably tell you where to get a bev virgin. ( same bootsrap as your reciever or edit it. )

1. Edit your IRD & Boxkey #'s in the virgin TSop ( use FlashEdit ) save file

2. JTAG reciever erase Eprom and both Tsop images ( 3 times on each to be safe )

3. Write virgin Eprom & saved Tsop image U7
( You must conect 0j1 to ground to flash TSop at the O.K. screen, you may have to unplug and replug reciever.)

4. Put reciever in stream for up to 30 mins. ( pluged in and turned off )

5. check software version in info screen ( it should have definitely updated )

6. If harddrive is still good you can Remarry the drive to reciever by erasing SA17 if memory serves.

7. If harddrive is not any good and U want one you have to get one of the limmited types usable in the 501 20 to 80 gigs. but only exact drive on the list and format it.

If you need a harddrive list or any other help, ask.

Thanks for the help. I've done all of those (excluding the hard drive parts). I've just tried out a different virgin eeprom and the results were a bit different but still not successfull. This time after I did the sector erase the ird did start to blink off and on, however it just kept blinking off and on for about an hour and a half before I pulled it back out of the stream. Jkeys showed that nothing had changed.

I'm going to try and load a more up to date dish TSOP in hopes that the software will be current enough to recognise the G3 card. From there it will be nice to confirm at minimum that the ird is picking up a good signal strength even though it will tell me it is on the wrong sat. I know the feed itself is fine, but would like to check the signal reading as something seems weird how this will not update.

[Rental_Metard]

This worked for me last year....

DVR 501 DCEA.
Loaded tsop with a working DN P369 firmware and Atmega - getting picture.
Erased SA52.
Hooked up to 91W direct to receiver (no switch).
Left it for 40 mins.
It streamed and upgraded to E661 bev firmware.

I do have a E553 DCKA tsop image - I can post it if it's any use ?
Or the E661 (but it's for DCEA).

I do have a E554 in DCKA but unfortunately that version is a bit early for the G3 card. I have in the past loaded TSOPS with build cfg's that were not a perfect match. Although I don't like to do it, that has worked for me before when in a bind. I guess it wouldn't hurt to give it a try atleast. If you do upload it just make sure you save as public dump in flash edit so none of your personal info is left in the file.

[cpm]

I'm thinking that if you do load up the E554 then erase SA52 you could find the stream update will take.

I tried to upload my E661 DCEA tsop image here - but the forum wont accept .zip files.
So - uploaded the file here 'hxxp://bellexpress.vu/forum/local_links.php?catid=11'
which I'm hoping you can get to - I think it's all part of Mili's network.
The file name is '5800-24AB-DCEA-10S-E661.zip'
I changed my private info before posting it.

[Rental_Metard]

Thanks a lot, I'll have a try a bit later today and let you know if it worked out. I did try the E554 TSOP and that was also a no go. It would not update itself by power off and saved as update without my permission. It wouldn't even update with the sector erase. To be honest it seems like this one receiver just refuses to update no matter what.

Last night I loaded up up a DN P369 and was able to confirm that it was getting a good signal from the b3v sattelite. I then sector erased and it did blink as if it was trying to update, but I left it in the stream overnight and this morning it is still blinking :rolleyes:

Anyhow thanks for uploading that file, I hope the difference in build config will work out. Like I said, it has worked in the past for me with the first two letters being correct provided you write a virgin eeprom too.

[Rental_Metard]

cpm, thanks for taking the time to upload the TSOP file, unfortunately it did not workout (black screen). I guess at this point I'll hope for the right build to show up in a TSOP bank. I also have a 508 I bought off ebay which should be here in the next couple of days...I'll cross my fingers that the 508 also happens to have a DCKD build in which case I should be able to use TSOPS from that ird.

[gizmolite]

the black screen is a bin issue or you're tring to watch a channel that has gone N3