FTA - N3 IKS/CardSharing

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N3 IKS/CardSharing

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IKS & CardSharing Whats The Diference??

Ok so people seem to be getting a bit confused with this whole Name changing sh!t..

So let me try and help clarify this if I can IKS stands for Internet Key Sharing ok.?? Wrong name for it by the way Nfusion people LOL they simply decided to coin that name for themselves but what there doing is Control Word Sharing over the internet using their stb's..

Card sharing is the same exact thing but with a different set up whether be it with an AVR a Max & Mel or a DVB-S card and whatever else they're using now days..


There are some subtle differences like for example the reason why Card sharing is called that, it's because usually in a Network there is a Bunch of Sub cards being used to share the control words over the internet, so that the network will work flawless with out the hick up of too much users and not enough controls words for all the channels..

Technically the Same thing different Name and Set up that's all..

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N3 Nagra 3 & The IKS Myth VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfr6tX6QQ9U

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IKS Explained ...Risky or Not ? You Decide ..

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There is lot of rumors going on if IKS is secured. Well in short it is - and then it is not. Just to give you a few points on security with IKS:

1) IKS runs on a centralized server that is a share point to servers which relay on this server. Your box is connecting too relays not the IKS Server.

2) IKS servers require UDP connection, not TCP. You can think of UDP as more secure, but the real difference is that UDP packets travel one way (request is sent from the receiver and then fullfilled by the server but there is no guarantee on data delivery of the packet from the server, meaning that the server drops the link with requestor as soon as it gets it - it may deliver it later on however). The relay - is really a relay in UDP sense - (requests can be made to one server but another server may fullfill it). Since there is no constant connection being open it is almost impossible to catch the very small (tidy) request and data travel from boxes to IKS.

3) IKS Servers accept only connections that have a receiver ID attached to the data package. No request from PC or other device can be made - this really gives much trouble in identifying what the content is of the IKS package or intercepting it. I am not sure if the package itself is being encrypted somehow - but it will be easy to do if it isn't. With encrypted packages, even if someone intercepts it - that interception would become useless.

4) In order for the providers to hunt you down they will need to know what servers that nFusion boxes are connecting too. To find out, they will have to intercept the traffic from the centralized server which is located off-shore (but hard to do explained before). I could not locate the servers by looking at the routers access logs - I can only find the servers it is connecting too --- and surprisingly I saw many different connections (rotating relays) --- which gives me positive vibes about IKS.

5) All the providers can do is see that your connection is making some request for data that is being transfered from a server and has been identified as suspicious - but before they can even take any action upon it - the new server can be re-set and there you go, another round of finding it again will be needed. This is time consuming and very very tidious and an expensive task (not that the providers cant afford it). Even if the provider proves that the traffic from your internet connection is suspicious - they can not prove that it came from your requests and your receiver (they cant trace back anything beyond your router/modem).

6) "Dave" did go to after the small people on the first occasion of IKS (more then 10 years ago -- ohhh yes do not be surprised IKS is nothing new --- it has been used back in Dave days when a computer was needed that will serve already descrambled packages to the receiver using waffer boards or card emulators) - but "Dave" had to physically prove that this was happening from people trying this (hardware needed to make this function) - unlike today (no additional hardware is needed - so hard to tell if you are really doing anything wrong).

The final decision is always up to you to make. I do not want to sound encouraging or disapointing - use your own judgment - do lots of reading

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IKS doesn't mean you won't go down, it just means that you can come back up much faster.

If your hooked up to the net with your nfusion and you come home and turn your box on it will tell you if there is any new updates and gives you the option to update your box with the click of the remote button.

If your watching TV on stand alone (emu ON) and it goes down you simply click menu + user settings + emu off and IKS will kick in when you exit to TV.

99.9% of the time its IKS all the way.

I don't worry about anyone getting my IP address from the nfusion iks server as it does not collect anything other than an error log saying what failed.

Most have not noticed that IKS and Files are on 2 different servers and are ported to 1 that you are connected to.
That should be enough for people to guess there is more than 1 server at work here. I think last count there were 5 ported thru a chain across the web to 1 point of access. That point of access can be changed with a click of a button. So what if someone gets the main click boom somewhere else we go.

Anyone that wants to can easily run a proxy on your system and your bouncing around the world anyways.

Now to the whole sending keys things. The iks does not at anytime send keys to your box.(Its illegal) It does how ever send data to your box so your box knows what to do to get itself going. Kind of like A.I coding. No not any of the pyro team will explain that part for a good reason. Why give up a trade secret. I hope this helps some of you out with what your wanting to know.

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Ok heres something to think about

I will make a short post on this with just a quick example only,ok say it does log ips,which it dont,but say it did,what server logs the ip,and is there anything illegal on the server,,no,,ok one server may hold info,7 servers later may have the control words,heres a few quick examples

Just randomly shooting this out, but say if:
Host = Give updates (Server)
Client = Receiving updates (STB)
Server AA - accesses a random IRC server on 10 different channels and locks em up
Server AB - accesses a random IRC server on 10 different channels and locks em up
Server BA - same all the way to server 00
Thats a multitude of servers, too many for any interesting party to try and locate.

Now heres the beauty, client connects to server a1 asks it if anyone tried to download any software from stb if yes then kill stb, if not jump to server L6 read encrypted message tells it to copy code bla bla then jump to server k1 and copy code bla bla then jump to server z9 bla bla and copy code jump to server 9A execute code new chan to join in x amount of days server bla bla backup server bla bla

This method for 'example only' of course, absolves the client from doing anything illegal sure its just going for a chat session. In the mean time securing the Host as it just too time consumming to decrypt code and manually seep through millions of servers looking for a phantom channel. Sure why bother closing a channel down its already not in use anymore.


Sorry to burst all those IKS hater's bubbles, but IKS is not even illegal in America. There is no extra threat due to IKS. The illegal act is you sitting your fat ass down on that sofa, and watching PirateTv content that you did not pay for. That violates the content's copyright thereby making it illegal according to the DMCA.

An IKS packet is not even covered by the DMCA. Why? It CANNOT have copyright by virtue of the fact that control words are derived from a scientific process. So the DMCA cannot be applied to control words. It CANNOT be copywritten. Is that plain enough to understand? There is no law that makes it illegal. Period. Not today. IKS is perfectly safe today. What the law says in the future is anyone's guess.

The legal threat from an IKS FTA box is identical to a non-IKS FTA box. The threat comes from it being an FTA box. IKS is moot. It adds nothing and detracts nothing from the legality of an FTA box.

It's not IKS or FTA that matters anyways. YOU are the criminal. Not your hardware. YOU are watching Pirated content you did not pay for. That is where the crime occurs--when you watch content you did not pay for. That violates the contents copyright making the DMCA actionable.

Do you really think in 2 years the providers have not tried very hard to stop or bust the servers,,if they could by law? We all no they have tried,but there still there..

All this is rubbish started by other FTA makers who know game is over for them. Lets start some crap about nFusion.

Take it for what its worth no one can prove otherwise ,study the laws before speaking and know how something works before trying to guess how it works,as none of us no how any of it is ran,all we can do is guess.......

none of this means its safe,just passing on what i know,its up to end user to determine..

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What is a dongle?

a serial (RS-232) to ethernet (RJ-45) adapter.

Do I need to buy a dongle?

no, at this point it is optional.

How does a dongle work? Will it work with dial-up?

Depending on the receiver, but it's basically just a small adapter, one end plugging into your serial port(RS-232) on the receiver and the other end is a female ethernet (RJ-45) connection port.
The dongle connects to a router, although you could connect it to a PC to share a connection as well, including dial-up(each brand of receiver might have different requirements, ensure dial-up is suffiecent for your unit and dongle first)

If connecting to a PC it requires a special ethernet cable called network cross-over cable. If you're connecting to a router just a standard ethernet cable is needed.

Will the dongle allow my receiver to be like an nfusion or neosat?

yes, this device will allow the receiver to run by IKS and can keep the receiver going when an ECM hits. (read up on Nfusion and Neosat for more IKS information)

do i need to be constantly online?

If your bin file goes down, the dongle uses the internet connection to keep running, so depending on the application you might need to have it constantly online, or just when the bin file goes down from an ECM

Is there a wireless solution?

Yes, you can use a few different options, but all include buying a separate adapter. see this list from nfusion discussions, all of these devices will work with a dongle just the same.

Nfusion: List of Capable Working Bridges
This is the complete list of wireless bridges that you can buy for your Nfusion to allow it to connect to the internet *(constantly updated)

Need A Wireless Router

- WGPS606 Netgear Wireless Print Server


Capable with Any Router (wired or wireless, does not require a wireless connection)

- SLINKLINK™ POWERLINE ETHERNET BRIDGE (very good product)
- XE102 Netgear Wireless Bridge
- Netgear WGE101 802.11g Wireless Ethernet Bridge
- Logitech Play Link Wireless Extension
- 85Mbps High Speed HomePlug Ethernet Adapters
- Linksys Game Adapter: WGA54G ver 2