total newbie with nozkt mod question?

[skinerd]

none............... a modded IRD eliminates the need for a vaild bin, and that's all it does....essentially....

[JT]

Don't sell the mod short skinerd. It does at least one other really cool trick. It makes it so your tiers do not fall off. It took me a bit to figure out how to really take advantage of the mod, but I'm sure glad I did. (actually, it was skinerd that took the time to help me out with the whole process in the first place) If there is any doubt in your mind about whether or not you can do the mod yourself, PM skinerd and see what he says. My experience is skinerd is unusually reliable and helpful. I much prefer to run a 3M, but the nozkt gives you an unmatched level of reliability. We're calling them viagra receivers in my neck of the woods because they don't go down until I tell them to.

[JT]

You will still have to use a non-blacklisted bin, but it will not have to be valid. An officially blacklisted bin/cam id will still give you the 745 error even with a nozkt unit. It's the ability to just make up a bin with either unclone or just doing a line edit in Extreme HU that eliminates the need for a valid bin. I have not yet done it with the line edit like Chief has repeatedly outlined how to do, but I'm sure the end result is the same. Download a copy of unclone from the download section to see how to make up your own bin. I know the term non-blacklisted implies valid, but that is not exactly what it means. An officially blacklisted bin/cam id will give you the 745 no matter what you do with it. The no zkt will run a non-valid, non-blacklisted bin/cam id. The no zkt unit is unable to determine the status of the cam id unless it is officially blacklisted. I hope I haven't confused you more than helped you with this explanation. You do not need to start with a valid HU card, it will not matter if the card won't even get channel 100 when you originally acquire it.

[Chief]

JT, bless your heart...let me confuse you just a bit more - your instructions are great - your terminology is just a bit off target. You most definitely can use a blacklisted bin with a modified IRD.....and the CAMID MUST be valid. Remember - "valid" and "subscribed" are two different things. One of those line-edit-generated phony cams you've heard me talk about are most definitely valid...but, or course, they aren't subbed, as they don't even exist in DTV's database of CAMID's.
Lots of people get confused with this issue...you still need a valid (not necessarily subbed) CAMID with a modded receiver just like you do with a regular receiver. The advantage comes from being able to obtain that CAM from optional sources, such as from a P4 card, or the aforementioned fake one. With a normal receiver, you must bring the ZKT tables along with your valid CAM when you patch it to a bad bin...and of course, that's impossible with a P4, since it can't be read, and obviously there's no tables available for a made-up CAMID. Therefore you use a receiver that ignores the ZKT tables, hence the name.
As you told Bowser, "I hope I haven't confused you more than helped you with this explanation".... ;)

[JT]

Well, I tried. Thanks for the correction Chief. I guess I just never considered the Cam Id's I've made as 'valid'. I will be suprised when and if they ever blacklist them though. I think the main difference is just how I think of it. I have no problem at all making it work just how I want it to. I know I can make my nozkt unit give me a 745 error if I try...but that's not really how I want it to work. Sorry if I muddied the water for anybody.

[Chief]

OK, three replies here....Bowser, yes, that's how I'd interpret it...the dealer's card is looped, the bin is blacklisted, or probably both. You more than likely can reprogram it and use it on whatever kind of receiver you like, modified or not.

JT, you did just fine, bud...it's just that lots of people get confused over the NoZKT issue. Not a problem, and you didn't confuse anyone.

Base 10...You've stated that "ANY number is valid"...that you can "pick ANY CAMID you like and you'll see that it works in a properly modified receiver"...so try something for me. Take a good subbed bin, patch the CAMID from a known blacklisted bin to it, and try it in your NoZKT receiver.

If it doesn't go 745 within a few minutes, I'll kiss your ass 'till your hat flies off.

[Chief]

OK, whatever....I have my terminology, you, yours....but we're both running in the same race, so no harm done.
It appeared that you were implying that DTV blacklists the ZKT, and the CAMID is of no significance....oh, forget it.
Cheers to you, no insult intended. :)
Bowser, have I got you pulling your hair out yet? :D

[JT]

It's clear as mud now....if we haven't confused the issue yet, it wasn't for the lack of trying. It sounds like bowser was able to sort it all out though. At least lets hope so...

[skinerd]

The zkt issue, which is bypassed with the nozkt mod.
With the mod you are able to change the camID to any number and the receiver will accept it as a good card, zkt checks are nullified, but, the camID must be "valid" or non-blacklisted or it will eventually go 745, might take it a few minutes but it will go 745. The mod allowed the card to be accepted as a good card, but if the camID is blacklisted, then when that number comes down in the stream, it goes 745.
Put a camID modded card in a non-nozkt receiver, instant 745, try it.......
Put a blacklisted camID on a valid or subbed card in a nozkt IRD and 745, maybe not instant but give it a few minutes...the IRD accepted it, but the stream shuts it down....same effect you would get with a blacklisted bin on a normal receiver......

Blacklisted simply means that the camID has been disabled, or turned off, data sent to tell the IRD that the camID is not longer valid, camIDs are updated regularly, done in packets of 256 at a time, with millions of camIDs out there, it may take a few minutes for the particular camID chosen to be updated, and shut down.


There is a better crack done, it does allow all camIDs to be used, but it is not pubically available and probably won't be unless it is needed....I am not sure how it works, but it was developed by the same folks that developed the nozkt mod, so I'm sure it does work......

[skinerd]

Don't sell the mod short skinerd. It does at least one other really cool trick. It makes it so your tiers do not fall off. It took me a bit to figure out how to really take advantage of the mod, but I'm sure glad I did. (actually, it was skinerd that took the time to help me out with the whole process in the first place) If there is any doubt in your mind about whether or not you can do the mod yourself, PM skinerd and see what he says. My experience is skinerd is unusually reliable and helpful. I much prefer to run a 3M, but the nozkt gives you an unmatched level of reliability. We're calling them viagra receivers in my neck of the woods because they don't go down until I tell them to.

Not selling it short, all I said was it "essentially" all that is done is that a the need for a valid bin is eliminated. Yes there are some other benefits too, using a non existant camID results in tiers never dropping or being wiped, for example.....
it, however, does absolutely nothing for the use of a 3M...except eliminate the valid bin need....

[4x4]

bowser , are you talking about the ad being in the Shopper ???
You must be in the same area as me if so ..
Ya that is the noZKT mod ...
I know a couple guys that have had it done by him and they say it works the way it is supposed to but they are bending the truth a bit there ...

PM me where your at ....

[skinerd]

Sounds like they are trying to make it sound like it is more than a nozkt mod, when really that's all it is.......I know of no other firmware changes that can be made........

[skinerd]

Thanks every one for the help I think I understand the basics (alot more to learn)

I am worried if I buy what the dealer calls an "invalid" card I wont be able to unloop it if it is looped. Or even worse the card is baked/no good because someone else has wrecked it trying to unloop it. Is it easy to wreck a card? The dealer said he has no idea about the history of the card. He does have alot of positive feedback on ebay from people buying these "invalid" cards so the cards are probably unloopable/programmable. What does everyone thing of such a purchase? Conversly who is to say the "valid" cards dealers sell are actually valid - it doesnt mean the card is a virgin - it just means there is a valid bin and non-blacklisted cam id loaded on it correct?


Buying any card that is not said to be good is taking a chance, it may be shot, which happens, and not useable at all.........saying it is invalid then sending a bad one covers his butt......there are plenty good cards available, from reputable sellers, I'd stick with those...