[mili]

As you know I am not too informed when it comes to DishNet and even less than when it comes to the HDTV aspect of it.
My questions are:
1, What models are the nicest to have?
2, What is the exact hardware involved?
Dish (LNB count)?
Set top box if any?
How many cables to the receiver (set top box)?
3, Can a DigiLock be installed?
4, Do they have a JTAG port?
5, If you use a ROM with a private blocker how often is it or the IRD hit and what the most likely nature of the ECM?
6, Anybody has a complete system that wishes to part with it?


Thanks

mili

[t160hq]

My questions are:
1, What models are the nicest to have?

Dish only makes one model. The 6000U.
It comes in two versions:
6000U----Just the receiver
6023UQ----Same receiver but two dishes and a multi-switch that allows you to link both dishes and run one wire to the receiver.

Both come with the Enhanced HD Adapter that can receive QPSK or 8PSK HD signals. If you pick up one used make sure you get this with it. It costs 100 US to get one if you don't already have it. Some but not all programming requires it.

An optional 8VSB Tuner Cartridge allows you to receive local analog and digital off-air broadcasts. Extra 149 US. Not included with the system.

2, What is the exact hardware involved?
Dish (LNB count)?
Set top box if any?

Two dishes. One dish 500 with a Quad LNB. One dual LNB and dish for either the 61.5 or 148 orbital slots. HDTV programming is carried on both sats. All channels. Not sure what Multi-switch is used but I would guess it's a SW64. That means six wires to the switch and up to four sat receivers. One wire to each receiver. It works on all DN receivers Legacy or Dish Pro. The downside of this switch is it can't be mounted outside. The power supply for it is not water proof. That means running six wires from the dishes to a inside location. Then single wire runs to individual receivers. Up to four receivers with a SW64. Any dish models not just the 6000.

How many cables to the receiver (set top box)?

One from the dishes. To the TV depends on the TV and the HDTV hookups on it. Surround sound system if you are going to use one and how you will be hooking it up. (R+L, fiber optic, digital coax).

3, Can a DigiLock be installed?

Yes but with great difficutly. Because of the triple layer construction of the PCB boards it's very hard to cut the traces necessary to install the lock. On the plus side a 6000 receiver has never been hit in a ECM no matter what's on the CAM. (3M, Legit Tiers, Blocker).

4, Do they have a JTAG port?

Yes. Hookup is a bit different then standard Jtag ports. Most Jkeys versions work with the 6000. More TSOP's though. I believe the 6000 has 2.

5, If you use a ROM with a private blocker how often is it or the IRD hit.
and what the most likely nature of the ECM?

The 6000 has never been hit. At a guess I would say it would be along the lines of a TSOP America's top one hit if it ever happens. But since they have never done it, my guess is they either can't or won't.

6, Anybody has a complete system that wishes to part with it?

Not me. But if you want new, Sears in the states carries them. They run about 725 US plus tax. Checked them out about two months ago. DN sells them on their website for 699 US. Me, I perfer a cash on the counter walk out the door sale. Personally, I like to give addresses of major local political figures when asked. Warped sense of humor I guess.:-)

If you want one let me know. After all you have done for me, least I can do (This website for one). My cost plus shipping. I'll get exact figures and get back if you want it.

t160hq

[mili]

Thank you very much for the detailed description. It is for a friend whome I will tell all this and let him digest.

mili

[fubr]

Originally Posted by mili

Thank you very much for the detailed description. It is for a friend whome I will tell all this and let him digest.

mili

6000 do hav 2 tsops and are fading fast because of the original builder has lost the contracrt and Echo is sole owner of most of these as the new one are running out of warrenty. they do not build new ones as of now and are trying to get rid of what they have on hand now.
they do have more features and I know they are more expemnsive but do not have a HDD recording capablity but from what I have heard they are good ird and that part of the reason they are not building anymore.
my thought on the matter anyway.
BTY they do have a different jtag but it is the same pricible.
sorry I cant bre more specific on the 6000 I will find out and post an update

[t160hq]

Intresting Fubr. I wonder if they are planning on replacing it with a new model or just dumping the whole HDTV idea.

I never thought HDTV would take off anyways. It's the most poorly planned and implemented change in TV since TV was invented.

Unless they start making it a lot simpler to set up and operate and get around the "Oh my gawd, You mean I have to spend 900 bucks more just to get a few channels of HDTV!" After spending 2000 to 5000 on that brand new HDTV and comming to the shocking realization that no HDTV signals are availiable.

I know I would be a bit pissed off when I spent that kind of money and got home to find out I can't get any of those great pictures seen in the showroom. Without sending another grand or so for a sat and Progressive Scan DVD.

I really expect HDTV to go the way of 4 channel stereo, 8-Tracks, and S-VHS Vcr's.

t160hq

Wouldn't that be a Kick in the ass as they have launched the Nimiq2 for that purpose to be included in programming.

[fubr]

Originally Posted by t160hq

Intresting Fubr. I wonder if they are planning on replacing it with a new model or just dumping the whole HDTV idea.

I never thought HDTV would take off anyways. It's the most poorly planned and implemented change in TV since TV was invented.

Unless they start making it a lot simpler to set up and operate and get around the "Oh my gawd, You mean I have to spend 900 bucks more just to get a few channels of HDTV!" After spending 2000 to 5000 on that brand new HDTV and comming to the shocking realization that no HDTV signals are availiable.

I know I would be a bit pissed off when I spent that kind of money and got home to find out I can't get any of those great pictures seen in the showroom. Without sending another grand or so for a sat and Progressive Scan DVD.

I really expect HDTV to go the way of 4 channel stereo, 8-Tracks, and S-VHS Vcr's.

t160hq

thing is the company building this 6000 they get 15 month warrenty, well since it is coming close to 15 months the builder is gonna be out of the loop they do have a model 721 out which has 120 gig hdd and eartenet connection and all kinds of multiports on the back these on work with ROM 11 cams far as I know, so the 6000 Echo is rebuilding and getting back in the feild soon as possible cause they dont want to own them they want the builder to have to replace any that go bad. also the 508 is a newwer version of 501 with 120 gig hdd. the older 3750 and any 2700 series or 37/49 series is still good to work with becuse they can update the software on the board to accomodate the damn Rom 11 yellow nag. yes the 721 have all kind of hi fi sterio plugs and I do know they are huge 4 time bigger thasn a 301 twice as big as a 501.
no hell no HDTV is one day be only option 2 or three years it will be hard to buy a IRD new without HDD. and the 721 have internet and soon (yes it gets better) HDTV w/dvd recorder all in one dont know the model but heard alot of plans. no details.

[t160hq]

LOL. One small problem. The cutoff point for the current standard is 3 years. Maybe about 2 million HDTV sets out there. Even if they convince another 10 million to buy them...

I sure don't want to be the ad man that explains to the advertiser that we are going to be able to brodcast your ad to 12 million homes. Not 100 million like we used to.

Or to the TV viewer. Well your going to have to spend about 200 dollars per tv to receive just what you had before. Not any better anything! If you still want tv you have to buy these boxes to get it.

Can you say consumer boycott. LOL

t160hq

[fubr]

personally I think they are making millions , it is like radio we listen to ads and stupid promotions even political plugs but is free. now they want to charge us for tv where on most channels are commercials mostly telling us how they have the best programming and how great they are and now this. I read a post the other day where this guy said t charlie told him he could not use a 4000 (been out of stream to long)because of the new software. Trust me that is B.S. It will take a update they just want him to trade and pay for a newer IRD. Echo is going thru a mojor structur change rite now and I hope like hell the rite person gets pissed and starts leaking......hope I am not getting off topic I like the site and the advice and do wish to comply.
FUBR

C'mon in...it's great reading...I too hope he gets pissed and leaks...it would be one for the testers against all the BS out there right now...
Keep it going guys...very informative and educational reading.

[fubr]

If anybody has a 7100 or a 7200 with anything other than at least a 20 gig HDD it is simple to put in a bigger one the ird will even format it for you. standard is 20 gig rite now but i heard some success with 40's.
thing is have to solder in to the 32 pin dip socket to get tsop and make lock is pain cause of the different chips but these models will get winked alot just not back to address 00001. just have to reboot and get rid of this receiver not authorized nag. not excatly sure how but maybe somebody can fill in the blanks for me as I too have one I would like to keep going I had it up for 4 hours once and when it went out i put ir back up.
anyone interested I can find the link for the HDD upgrade and send it. If not I will not waist my time looking for it. thing is site no longer exist but I have it on my Hard drive if I can figure out a way to send it.

nothin to it but to do it

[mili]

t160hq I sent you an email to the registered addy you got here it seems you did not get it. Please email me with the list of hardware needed and the price, my friend wants to get one. He is one of those who just figured that the TV is only part of the equation and does not even have a progressive scan DVD player.

mili

[t160hq]

Yep 40 gig drives work in the 7200. Got a list of confirmed working 40gig drives.


Maxtor 7200 RPM 27.2 GB ATA/66 Model #92732U8 (this one is the one I used myself) Reported around 19 hours
of recording time.
Maxtor 7200 RPM 20 GB ATA/66 Model #92049U6 (Thanks to Scott) Reported around 24 hours of recording time.
Maxtor 5400 RPM 40 GB Model #94098U8 Kit #K0194000U (Thanks to Mark, model # thanks to Matthew, Kit #
Thanks to Mitch)
Maxtor 5400 RPM 27.2 GB Model #K0192720U (Thanks to Anthony)
Maxtor 5400 RPM 30.7 GB ATA/66 Model #93073U6 (Thanks to Skuno)
Maxtor 5400 RPM 36.5 GB Model #93652U8 (Thanks to Steve) (FYI This seems to have been a really popular drive
to upgrade with)
Maxtor 5400 RPM 46 GB Model #93652UB (Thanks to James) Reported around 28-29 hours of recording time.
Maxtor 17.2GB ATA/66 Model #91826U4 (Thanks to James)
Maxtor 17.4GB Model #91741U4 (Thanks to Chris)
Maxtor 61.4GB Model #96147U8 (Thanks to Roger) Reported at a tad over 50 hours recording time.
IBM Deskstar 37.5 GB Model #31L9070 (Thanks to James)
IBM Deskstar 5400 RPM 25.0 GB Model #25L2652 (Thanks to Dave)
Western Digital 5400 RPM 30GB Model #WD307AA (Thanks to Jay)
Western Digital Expert 7200 RPM 27.3 GB Model #WD273BARTL (Thanks to Timothy)
Western Digital Caviar 7200 RPM 45 GB Model #WD450AA (Thanks to Ryan)
Western Digital Caviar 7200 RPM 18.4 GB Model #AC418000 (Thanks to D)
Seagate 7200 RPM 20.4 GB Model #ST320430A (Thanks to Rich)

All these drives have been tried and do work.

They even have a group in Yahoo where you can get software to rip the
programs from the HD and burn them onto DVD's.

t160hq

[t160hq]

7200's and the like are flakey at best. Only recently has DN and Microshit stopped fighting enough to make them work the way they should. With the latest upgrades to receiver and HD they do pretty well.

I have noticed that 3am download of guide info has gone from a few minutes to ten or more. But it works better than it ever has. Haven't lost a recorded or planned record in the last 4 months.

t160hq

Originally Posted by t160hq

My questions are:
1, What models are the nicest to have?

Dish only makes one model. The 6000U.
It comes in two versions:
6000U----Just the receiver
6023UQ----Same receiver but two dishes and a multi-switch that allows you to link both dishes and run one wire to the receiver.

Both come with the Enhanced HD Adapter that can receive QPSK or 8PSK HD signals. If you pick up one used make sure you get this with it. It costs 100 US to get one if you don't already have it. Some but not all programming requires it.

An optional 8VSB Tuner Cartridge allows you to receive local analog and digital off-air broadcasts. Extra 149 US. Not included with the system.

2, What is the exact hardware involved?
Dish (LNB count)?
Set top box if any?

Two dishes. One dish 500 with a Quad LNB. One dual LNB and dish for either the 61.5 or 148 orbital slots. HDTV programming is carried on both sats. All channels. Not sure what Multi-switch is used but I would guess it's a SW64. That means six wires to the switch and up to four sat receivers. One wire to each receiver. It works on all DN receivers Legacy or Dish Pro. The downside of this switch is it can't be mounted outside. The power supply for it is not water proof. That means running six wires from the dishes to a inside location. Then single wire runs to individual receivers. Up to four receivers with a SW64. Any dish models not just the 6000.

How many cables to the receiver (set top box)?

One from the dishes. To the TV depends on the TV and the HDTV hookups on it. Surround sound system if you are going to use one and how you will be hooking it up. (R+L, fiber optic, digital coax).

3, Can a DigiLock be installed?

Yes but with great difficutly. Because of the triple layer construction of the PCB boards it's very hard to cut the traces necessary to install the lock. On the plus side a 6000 receiver has never been hit in a ECM no matter what's on the CAM. (3M, Legit Tiers, Blocker).

4, Do they have a JTAG port?

Yes. Hookup is a bit different then standard Jtag ports. Most Jkeys versions work with the 6000. More TSOP's though. I believe the 6000 has 2.

5, If you use a ROM with a private blocker how often is it or the IRD hit.
and what the most likely nature of the ECM?

The 6000 has never been hit. At a guess I would say it would be along the lines of a TSOP America's top one hit if it ever happens. But since they have never done it, my guess is they either can't or won't.

6, Anybody has a complete system that wishes to part with it?

Not me. But if you want new, Sears in the states carries them. They run about 725 US plus tax. Checked them out about two months ago. DN sells them on their website for 699 US. Me, I perfer a cash on the counter walk out the door sale. Personally, I like to give addresses of major local political figures when asked. Warped sense of humor I guess.:-)

If you want one let me know. After all you have done for me, least I can do (This website for one). My cost plus shipping. I'll get exact figures and get back if you want it.

t160hq

Is thier a beast that has hdtv and dvr that has not been hit besides the (6000 wich has no hard drive?) O and can use a rom3 card?