[Darkbob]

Ok... still in the rumor phase BUT they are getting stronger. Royce is very conservative and he even posted a note in the news section saying that he has HEARD rumors of an N2 hack. He has not SEEN a hack. Well... we have all heard rumors of an N2 hack for a year but none of them made it to the news section of Royce's page - so this rumor is different. Not a confirmed hack at all but a very strong rumor.

This thread is also interesting:

hxxp://www.satscams.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470

Satscams has been a reliable source for info for a long time now and some big-wig types over there are talking seriously about a hack.

The hack invloves the Rom 101 card so I guess the price on those is going through the roof... lafs... well let's just hope it's all true. But if you go and buy a 101 on spec and it turns out to be total BS don't blame Royce or me or anybody. It's a calculated risk and those don't always pay off.

--DB

[smilingjack]

It is being advertised several places, high price $500, middle price 350, Low price $ 250,
still utter bullshit they are claiming things that can't be done on plastic with PPV & porn wide open.

Read the whole claim and you will see what I mean. A newby would know better than to believe it.

And the no garentee part is a laugh, even if it did work, as soon as charlie gets his he will blow it away and you will be out all that money.

You Gonna buy another one when the first one dies ? This is not a code sale it is a card sale, you start all over with buying a new card from them.

Forget it. Save your money, P. S. satscams himself has not said anything, good or bad wonder why and who he owes that he is keeping his mouth shut.

There are claims on the web that satscams himself is a scammer and the forum is a set up for a BIG SCAM.
Do a search for satscams and read all about it.

[vmod32]

It's always someone else who's seen it, so again I call bull.

[mili]

Don;t forget the end of the HU. P4 hacks were offered left and right. These turbulant times are the Nirvana of scammers.

mili

[Darkbob]

True enough. It's probably just another scam in the works. But this is the first "rumor" that has made it to the front page news section on Royce's site. No disrespect to Mili who has a rock solid reputation, but Royce's word is considered gold. For him to even hint that something MIGHT be brewing is big news.

Nice to see a ray of hope. Still... SJ is right. Hold onto your $$$ for now.

--DB

[sparkplug]

wouldn't some kind of sample be given to some 1

Originally Posted by sparkplug

wouldn't some kind of sample be given to some 1

Been done already and some more going out from what I hear. This should all break in the next couple of days to a week. Until then, hold on to your wallets and don't rush out and buy anything. Better to pay an extra $30-$50 when you know what you are buying will work 100% than to gamble now and maybe get burnt..... but it does look like it is the real deal as certain people who I trust and who have no reason to BS anyone (ie: longtime testers and not dealers) have said good things. I still haven't seen it with my own eyes so I am not offering any kind of guarantee but I would be most shocked if these guys lied about what they have seen first hand with their own eyes (no grainy videos with cameras moving all over or still pics).

Sj, Was nice of you to close that thread yesterday without letting me respond after cutting me down.
Yes i dont know shit about magic cards, They are the shittist device i have ever used. Just plain garbage like the loser who created them.
No i have never fucked with my port settings. Most programms you dont need to.
But to make me look like i know nothing, then close the thread is somthing you would do.

You want a challenge, Then challenge me. We'll see who knows more about satellite testing. Ive been doing this for years before you. i can tell just by your posts.

Anyways,
Seems you guys have lost alot of good members here since you became a mod.
I dont think Mili did the right thing, You are a power tripper Thats for sure. This mod thing has gone right to your head.

Mili, Do me a favor, Look up Sj's hacked 101 thread. Before it was edited.
That will prove if you are lieing to all the faithfull members here. I know what was there......

Sj, How about you post the ulr where you copied that post from? I would like to see it. I know a few other members would to. Im sure it show the time it was posted.

Lets clear this up and ill drop it. Mili is free to ban me if he thinks im out of line.
If you do, it just shows who's right.

Later

Now sir this is starting to sound like some of the silly endless arguments that flew in the face of reason during the first big Magic crisis. Forget the personal affronts and stick to a rational course, lets wait and see, that is the reasonable approach and one that will avoid rifts caused by tension. We should all remember that, enough is enough.

understand cimba, Just pisses me off that he didnt have the nerve to let me respond.

Anyways..........

[smilingjack]

Originally Posted by HuSatellite

Lets clear this up and ill drop it.

Later

OK It is posted on a half dozen sites, and it is posted here again right now by littlelarryjr, In fact I think it was his site I copied it from.

As I said before there was or was supposed to be a statement included that I thought it was a scam. I admitted may have made a mistake and forgot it. I did not include any place to get it though AND AFTER ALL I POSTED IT IN THE SCAM AND BULLSHIT THREAD with a dozen other scams I have ran across, many of which I also posted at satscams for investigation.


P. S. I DID NOT close the thread, Mili did. I was just gettin wound up

Now that it is clear drop it, I even amended the original post to include a apology if there were any misunderstandings over the information.

[knarf]

I mod at another site. Getting tired of all the bs claims all over the net about people seeing a hacked card. Seems where ever I go I see it. I guess people are just getting desperate. Imo I dont think charlie or dave will put up with anyone hacking their cards anymore. If hacks do come out I think there will be people doing time. Hope not me-hehehehhee

[RORER-714]

if people break the speed limit ,,will get a ticket....,,,,most will chance it to get "there"

Originally Posted by smilingjack

It is being advertised several places, high price $500, middle price 350, Low price $ 250,
still utter bullshit they are claiming things that can't be done on plastic with PPV & porn wide open.

Read the whole claim and you will see what I mean. A newby would know better than to believe it.

And the no garentee part is a laugh, even if it did work, as soon as charlie gets his he will blow it away and you will be out all that money.

You Gonna buy another one when the first one dies ? This is not a code sale it is a card sale, you start all over with buying a new card from them.

Forget it. Save your money, P. S. satscams himself has not said anything, good or bad wonder why and who he owes that he is keeping his mouth shut.

There are claims on the web that satscams himself is a scammer and the forum is a set up for a BIG SCAM.
Do a search for satscams and read all about it.

Ummm, I remember others suggesting that satscams was a scam not so long ago and you deleted the post.

Finally come to your senses?

[Markman]

knarf,
lol , no one in Canada would be doing any time.

this stuff is like porn in china.. hay their are risks but .. their is still tons and tons of it all over the place .. and that is a Communist country.

you can't stop porn in china ,drugs all over the world .. or dish leaching in north America

they can slow it down .. make it that the dealers are big dangerous guys.. that will kill you if you blink wrong in front of them.. But to stop it.. i don't think so.

[smilingjack]

Col do a yahoo or google search for satscams.

[knarf]

sorry, mili does not allow buying or selling on the forum.
Particlary in the bullshit & scam thread.

[thsatman4u]

can someone tell me if MLB PACKAGE went to N2 and if so when i just got back into town after 3 weeks in the mideast

[knarf]

Originally Posted by thsatman4u

can someone tell me if MLB PACKAGE went to N2 and if so when i just got back into town after 3 weeks in the mideast

I dont know what day but yesMLB went to n2.

Originally Posted by smilingjack

Col do a yahoo or google search for satscams.

Not interested. I knew for months that satscams was full of themselves.

that I have to agree with!

Get peeps to trust you, then.... FUCK THEM ALL OVER!!!!!

[smilingjack]

I think the idea is a good one.
He should have a spot (like this one) on every dss froum and every forum should have a rep in that forum.

The only thing I do not care or is his "trusted sites" list, some of them are pretty shakkkkkey and he has left out a lot of old time sites that never scammed people.

He should be independant and npt approve of anyone, just go after the bad guys.

I agree partially with what you are saying. But the other side of the coin is that dealers are so convinced that a hack doesn't exist. (based on old thinking from N1 era) That just about everyone has jumped on the everything has got to be a scam unless someone like mili is setting on it, tells you it works and is prepared to make money off of it.

People like Mili and polaris are walking a very thin line right now by selling something that only partially works and will not work very long. So from a point of view, they would be scammers as well.

Just so you know, my point of view is. If you are stupid/desperate enough to buy it at this time. HAH!

I guess it boils down to who can be trusted to police, the self apointed police?

[smilingjack]

Originally Posted by Col Hogan

I agree partially with what you are saying. But the other side of the coin is that dealers are so convinced that a hack doesn't exist. (based on old thinking from N1 era) That just about everyone has jumped on the everything has got to be a scam unless someone like mili is setting on it, tells you it works and is prepared to make money off of it.

Well every site is saying the same thing basicly, don't believe it till you hear it here, and it is directed not to the world but to their members who they are trying to protect and their sponsors who they want to direct sales to.
It is kind of a generic saying and if we find out for sure a hack is a good one we will let people know it even if mili does not sell it (until mili gets it or goes out of business)

We are in a unique position here, we are in no ones pay. The store supports the forum. We do not have a hundred sponsore to answer to or lose their money. If you will notice we also support and offer help and files to things that mili does not even sell.

Originally Posted by Col Hogan

People like Mili and polaris are walking a very thin line right now by selling something that only partially works and will not work very long. So from a point of view, they would be scammers as well.

mili and polaris are trying to support a product that they sold / sell that never quite got to be what was promised when they agreed to handle the products. They were both caught in the middle of a profit fight between the manufacturer and the programmer who were two different people and did the best they could to satisfy their customers, more than a lot of forums and dealers did or even tried to do. With magic or with many products thay did not go too well or had problems. You either cut the stuff off or you do the best you can with what you have to work with.

The magic card has worked for over a year and any reasonable person would have to admit they got their money's worth out of the investment, maybe not all of what they expected, but more than a sub or other method with a five minute learning curve would have given them. It was designed as FREE TV FOR DUMMIES and it works.

Originally Posted by Col Hogan

Just so you know, my point of view is. If you are stupid/desperate enough to buy it at this time. HAH!

I guess it boils down to who can be trusted to police, the self apointed police?

That was my main point. When they start to name certain places as trusted, it takes away the independance of the site, the list only means those places have not been caught scamming themselves, and it directs people to them and away from other places in the who may be deserving to be on the "trusted sites list" but for some reason have not kissed enough ass (or whatever they do to get there) to get on the lsit however the 'trusted sites' have sponsors that have been caught scamming or at least cheating customers.

They should not recommend anyone.
They should just go after scammers and ANY SITE THAT SUPPORTS THEM OR ADVERTISES THEIR SCAM PRODUCTS.

[Darkbob]

Mmm... somebody hijacked my thread. Ok... a bunch of somebodies.

Word of advice for SJ (take it if you want it): When dork ass low life scum-bag users start dissing you, just nuke them. I always got a time-out when I needed one. The guy steps out of line - you slap him down fast and hard. Simple as that. Don't let him walk all over you or it just encourages more idiots and next thing you know the forum is a mess. In general I think you do a hell of a job here but HuSatelite is a moron and needs to go.

As for the rest of you who want to start talking about Polaris and the MC and whatever... go start your own threads.

This thread is about the new Rumors. Are they true? What have you heard? Post if you know anything.

--DB

[smilingjack]

If a problem can be worked out, I like to work it out rather than banning people.

But if you remember from the site wars....my finger is never far from the ban & delete buttions if I feel it is necessary. Also the IP block if that's called for.

I think HU and I came to terms, that seems to be over.....for me he is picking on seaboard and seaboard will talk him to death, maybe even with the big orange letters, hehehe

Now I just have to convince LLjr to behave before it comes to banning him.

As far as we know there is still no N2 hack that can stay up for any legnth of time so unless it is code that you can update it is not worth the money.

Ok, here goes. I can assure you I am normally not this long winded.

Originally Posted by smilingjack

Well every site is saying the same thing basicly, don't believe it till you hear it here, and it is directed not to the world but to their members who they are trying to protect and their sponsors who they want to direct sales to.

Umm.. I belong to 6 other sites and I have never heard anyone say this. If it's true, prove your point. Or perhaps these sites have not heard of mili?

Originally Posted by smilingjack

It is kind of a generic saying and if we find out for sure a hack is a good one we will let people know it even if mili does not sell it (until mili gets it or goes out of business)

We are in a unique position here, we are in no ones pay. The store supports the forum. We do not have a hundred sponsore to answer to or lose their money. If you will notice we also support and offer help and files to things that mili does not even sell.

That may be so, and I am sure some people would thank you for supporting things besides private scripts & magic cards. Your lack of sponsors and advertising payout and advertising revenue has put you in a position to deny or delete posts, or remove users simply because you can't/wont answer their questions or reply to their comments or tolerate their presence?

I put the question to you. The mods/admin here are the police. and without a world of advertisers to answer to. who keeps you in line? if your answer is a simple as mili, don't even bother replying please.

Originally Posted by smilingjack

mili and polaris are trying to support a product that they sold / sell that never quite got to be what was promised when they agreed to handle the products. They were both caught in the middle of a profit fight between the manufacturer and the programmer who were two different people and did the best they could to satisfy their customers, more than a lot of forums and dealers did or even tried to do. With magic or with many products thay did not go too well or had problems. You either cut the stuff off or you do the best you can with what you have to work with.

MC was never what it was promised to be, that should have sent everyone a warning sign. Ie: N2 blocker support.

The "struggle" between the manufacturer and the programmer doesn't exist. Never did. (I don't blame mili for this) You would think that if the manufacturer and the programmer were fighting, they wouldn't meet on a regular basis for coffee at tim horton's.

Basically the Quebec cartel all got together and said "we are loosing money now, lets pull out until the engineer we are paying shit to discovers a way around N2."

Sorry girl, but you deserve MUCH more credit than you are given (chas134).

So within hours you seen (if you noticed) all of the sites go down, that were alegedly fighting with each other etc.

dssangels
modchipmtl
dssneo

and their are others.

Originally Posted by smilingjack

The magic card has worked for over a year and any reasonable person would have to admit they got their money's worth out of the investment, maybe not all of what they expected, but more than a sub or other method with a five minute learning curve would have given them. It was designed as FREE TV FOR DUMMIES and it works.

Moneys worth?
What about unhappy customers?
What about fried cards?
What about Fried programmers?

Please don't act like it's never happened. or the software you promote now to program the cards is the cause of it.

Originally Posted by smilingjack

That was my main point. When they start to name certain places as trusted, it takes away the independance of the site, the list only means those places have not been caught scamming themselves, and it directs people to them and away from other places in the who may be deserving to be on the "trusted sites list" but for some reason have not kissed enough ass (or whatever they do to get there) to get on the lsit however the 'trusted sites' have sponsors that have been caught scamming or at least cheating customers.

Well, it takes very little common sense to realize who is puling the strings at satscams.com. Without evidence and without proof, these guys proclaim scammers on a regular basis.
If you used their formula for identifying scammers and applied it with a little bit of common sense, everyone would be a scammer.

Originally Posted by smilingjack

They should not recommend anyone.
They should just go after scammers and ANY SITE THAT SUPPORTS THEM OR ADVERTISES THEIR SCAM PRODUCTS.

Well, let me ask a question. If I sold you a product. with lifetime support, without giving you an interpretation of my meaning of "lifetime" would I be scamming you if you came back and bitched because you didn't have your idea of a "lifetime"

Now, If you sold me the same product with a "lifecycle" support promise. I may stop investigate your definition of "lifecycle" and still buy your product.

I could easily use satscams formula for declaring scammers apply it to the symantecs of the "mili store" and call him a scammer. (I don't believe this is the case).

You know the old fable about the blind man looking for a stone at the beach...

Personally I believe their are 5 people involved in satscams at the owner level. and they are simply using satscams to keep people in line until they find a fix for n2 themselves or come to the conclusion that it can't be done and set everyone up for a big fall.

1. The same people always seem to be id as scammers resurfacing at satscams
2. The 5 I believe are involved have NEVER been brought to justice
3. They never seem to have strong evidence to prove or disprove their arguments
4. They really don't seem that technically inclined

Final thoughts

Well I have had the soap box long enough. Either way I don't care. If a fix surfaces and is wide spread I may buy into it after it gets proven. Till then. who cares. Get some rabbit ears or buy a sub. I am not going to get excited about what anyone says.

l8tr

[smilingjack]

Originally Posted by Col Hogan

Ok, here goes. I can assure you I am normally not this long winded.


Umm.. I belong to 6 other sites and I have never heard anyone say this. If it's true, prove your point. Or perhaps these sites have not heard of mili?

That may be so, and I am sure some people would thank you for supporting things besides private scripts & magic cards. Your lack of sponsors and advertising payout and advertising revenue has put you in a position to deny or delete posts, or remove users simply because you can't/wont answer their questions or reply to their comments or tolerate their presence?

I put the question to you. The mods/admin here are the police. and without a world of advertisers to answer to. who keeps you in line? if your answer is a simple as mili, don't even bother replying please.


MC was never what it was promised to be, that should have sent everyone a warning sign. Ie: N2 blocker support.

The "struggle" between the manufacturer and the programmer doesn't exist. Never did. (I don't blame mili for this) You would think that if the manufacturer and the programmer were fighting, they wouldn't meet on a regular basis for coffee at tim horton's.

Basically the Quebec cartel all got together and said "we are loosing money now, lets pull out until the engineer we are paying shit to discovers a way around N2."

Sorry girl, but you deserve MUCH more credit than you are given (chas134).

So within hours you seen (if you noticed) all of the sites go down, that were alegedly fighting with each other etc.

dssangels
modchipmtl
dssneo

and their are others.



Moneys worth?
What about unhappy customers?
What about fried cards?
What about Fried programmers?

Please don't act like it's never happened. or the software you promote now to program the cards is the cause of it.

Well, it takes very little common sense to realize who is puling the strings at satscams.com. Without evidence and without proof, these guys proclaim scammers on a regular basis.
If you used their formula for identifying scammers and applied it with a little bit of common sense, everyone would be a scammer.


Well, let me ask a question. If I sold you a product. with lifetime support, without giving you an interpretation of my meaning of "lifetime" would I be scamming you if you came back and bitched because you didn't have your idea of a "lifetime"

Now, If you sold me the same product with a "lifecycle" support promise. I may stop investigate your definition of "lifecycle" and still buy your product.

I could easily use satscams formula for declaring scammers apply it to the symantecs of the "mili store" and call him a scammer. (I don't believe this is the case).

You know the old fable about the blind man looking for a stone at the beach...

Personally I believe their are 5 people involved in satscams at the owner level. and they are simply using satscams to keep people in line until they find a fix for n2 themselves or come to the conclusion that it can't be done and set everyone up for a big fall.

1. The same people always seem to be id as scammers resurfacing at satscams
2. The 5 I believe are involved have NEVER been brought to justice
3. They never seem to have strong evidence to prove or disprove their arguments
4. They really don't seem that technically inclined

Final thoughts

Well I have had the soap box long enough. Either way I don't care. If a fix surfaces and is wide spread I may buy into it after it gets proven. Till then. who cares. Get some rabbit ears or buy a sub. I am not going to get excited about what anyone says.

l8tr

Well I don't know what kind of sites you belong to but I belong to about 20 and they all worry about their members being scammed.

Posts and members are monitored and controled at every site, without some rules and the enforcment of said rules it would be chaos like some sites I have seen. Mods and admins HERE are teachers and yes to some extent policemen.
On some sites they are just policeman and let the members help each other, we keep getting scholded by mili for spending so much time on this.

I know nothing about magician & louis except what has been written in forums, I live 1500 miles from where they are supposed to be, but who knows, they may actually live next door to me.

I do know that as many as 6 dealers were actually louis. When he gave up all his sites including magiccard.tv went down too.

The waffer2004 program does fry cards, it was banned here and other places until there was no other program to keep the cards going. A lot of good dealers got caught in whatever went on, it sounds like you may know a lot more than we do about the principals. we bore the brunt of the reaction because we are the only dealer forum that sold MC, the rest were just stores.

Due to the continuing "cat and mouse game" between the companies and the hackers "lifetime" may always be short, all it takes is one good ECM formula to knock out the best program or device.

The mods here do this as their hobby we do not get paid or compensated and frequently are not told a lot of information about what is going on, we are volunteers, not employees.

Gee and I wondered where my paycheque went to ! lol

[Darkbob]

Ok... I found a bit more info on at least one dealer who is selling "The Fix". This is the one located on Matheson Blvd in Markham Ontario. $550 cdn! At least they offer the amazing 30/30 guarantee.

"30 seconds or 30 steps past the front door whichever comes first."

hahahhahahah.

Even if it worked I think I'd pass for now. Let's let some richer dudes test this puppy out and get the kinks worked out.

--DB