[riverman]

I was told that *********, ********** and Skyhigh Electronics were raided today in Toronto for selling Nexus 2313 unlockers.

The following sites were busted and Anton Pillar orders served in Canada

crazycircuits.com
dishmonkey.com
modchipit.com
skyhighelectronics.com
al7bar.ca
dishfun.com

Looks like the Syndrome manufacturer in Montreal was busted also along with the Nexus manufacturers but this last one is not confirmed.

[bobsmith161]

yep they finly got *********, ********** man that sucks lol
who are you talking about

[mili]

He is talking about dishmonkey and modchipit. I removed the censoring on those words.

mili

[bobsmith161]

so is it bad to buy from canada?.....better play it safe and buy from mili

[breakinpar]

that list is untrue... post some facts please

[larryking123]

Yep he is right, modchit and dishmonkey are offline
I hope that have a very good shredder, cause there are gonna be a lot of crying people in the next couple weeks.

COD, umm, just check canada post records ummm.

Anton Pillar
I see no reference of the raid on there main support site

there is refernce to it.
some say server dbs, other anton pillar
and time to clean house

[DB]

That sucks, I know allot of people that bought from dishmonkey. Hope they stay out of trouble.

can they trace sales back to the buyer? and what could they do about it?

[himeros]

You could move to Cuba.

Originally Posted by wpelc2003

can they trace sales back to the buyer? and what could they do about it?

the "dumbing" of America at its finest! dont worry about it son and yes ill take fries with my order thankyou very much

are you suppose to get a phone call from some one saying they are Advanced Electronics and Gadgets asking if you were satisfied with the product ?????

[Bandit5906]

Thank you mili for looking out for us!

[fubr]

This guy must have had a order pending and now he has SHIT.
You are showing signs of a case of diareah of the mouth but I ask you to name a dealer thats stood the test of time with the big dogs as long as Mili.
I have seen many come and go and many sites too.
And I am talking major players not renkie dink dealer's

I like the MO method myself sucks to wait but a time goes by it sucks even more to worry about getting a letter.

[Bandit5906]

I know what a letter can do to you and have a few of them to my "credit"! Take the time to source everything out and then order and wait.

Price is not always everthing when it comes to the law, IMHO!

[delavoie]

taken from another site. posted by a mod.
An arrest warrant has been issued for a Milton Anderson AKA: Mili in the Bahamas, a ward of the United States.

Any truth to this ?

[fubr]

Now that pisses me off The inmates have faster internet than I do if that is true.
Are you stupid or what

[mili]

Haha good one. The morons are crawling out.
I got a new card processor from Europe and they are cool. Should be as most their clientele is generally unacceptable by USA card processors. They do sometime call customers who paid with them to make sure I don't pull the transactions out of my ass.
As to whether I am safe to buy from let my track record speak for itself. You always do your research on the dealer and if possible buy with a money order and fake name. THat is common sense. I never engaged using payment methods I deemed dangerouns for my customers. PayZip has problems because they are a Trhird Party Payment Procesor according to Mastercard and I know for a fact that long before I done business with them they went to court several time refusing to cooperate with DTV and they won in Singapore. So morons crawl back into your holes and the rest of you take a step back, do an inventory who you done business with and if they were busted indeed what data they may have on you.
There are a few issues I want to address.
I had the opinion which I did nto hide for years that buying from Canada is not a good idea. I could not have ben too voiciferous or I would have been (and was) accused to be a fear monger and try to scare people from buying from the competition. I am not one who like to brag about being right but this once I will say "I told you so".

mili

[delavoie]

Originally Posted by fubr

Now that pisses me off The inmates have faster internet than I do if that is true.
Are you stupid or what

If your referring to me, arrest warrant doesnt mean arrested and in jail. Hopefuly all of this shit is just rumours.

[fubr]

duh! I was speeding the joke along to the next level
get it?
rumor> warrant> jail. ha ha
You think If a warrant was out that the guy would be on the net?
You think anybody with knowledge of a warrant would tell a mod on another site? If they did the mod would be a ratt so whoever posted that where ever is just a attention whore. Now I dont know where or what was said so maybe they put in there post "rumor or I heard" or some such shit.
But damn dude for you to post on here asking that question is silly. If it were true we would not be here. And another thing anybody involved in this would be under some type of gag order so not to here from people involved is a bad sign.

[delavoie]

Originally Posted by mili

Haha good one. The morons are crawling out.
I got a new card processor from Europe and they are cool. Should be as most their clientele is generally unacceptable by USA card processors. They do sometime call customers who paid with them to make sure I don't pull the transactions out of my ass.
As to whether I am safe to buy from let my track record speak for itself. You always do your research on the dealer and if possible buy with a money order and fake name. THat is common sense. I never engaged using payment methods I deemed dangerouns for my customers. PayZip has problems because they are a Trhird Party Payment Procesor according to Mastercard and I know for a fact that long before I done business with them they went to court several time refusing to cooperate with DTV and they won in Singapore. So morons crawl back into your holes and the rest of you take a step back, do an inventory who you done business with and if they were busted indeed what data they may have on you.
There are a few issues I want to address.
I had the opinion which I did nto hide for years that buying from Canada is not a good idea. I could not have ben too voiciferous or I would have been (and was) accused to be a fear monger and try to scare people from buying from the competition. I am not one who like to brag about being right but this once I will say "I told you so".

mili

Milli question for you..
Technically would it be possible for the USA to arrest you if you were to travel into the usa? The reason i ask, i have lived and worked down where you are, but in a different industry. We were in online gaming, and as you probably know, the usa doesn't like us either. I know of some people in the gaming industry being arrested/held in the usa, because they accepted or allowed payments or bets from americans. What's your take on this?

The good thing is all these raids were CIVIL. There are no arrests and no criminal charges. Most likely Dish and BEV cooperated zooming in on these guys so chances are they are sharing the info obtained. Lets do the worst case scenario first.
COD delivery is impossible to deny if Canadapost coughs up the records (given)
All computers and papers are now in the wrong hands along with gaypal account info. Dishmonkey advertised on most every satellite forums under the Sun. Dumb and lazy forum owners take gaypal most often than not as payment for banner advertisement. Others on these dealer's account who paid with gaypal or gotten paid from gaypal will be followed up on as well. It is safe to assume those gaypal account names are known, will be subpoenaed and their holders scrutinized. Most likely the data obtained will be put to use in one form or another. If not by bev as some say they lack the resources then by Charlie. There is already a talk about a shift of approach by Charlie as you can see on dishnewsonline and I quote.
"EchoStar spokesman Mark Cicero declined to say whether the company is stepping up its litigation campaign. "
If they do make that shift then demand letters a'la Dave will flow. Forum owners remember pirateden and decodernews.
These dealers are under a gag order and can't comment. Pressure is being applied to them and they will break giving up names and contacts. As of right now hardware manufacturerers are either busted or running scared. The price of stuff will rise for sure. There are dealers based in China, Mexico and the Caribbeans. I'd never dealt with anyone else but mili so I can't comment on the others but they are out there. All being said worst case scenario is demand letters for Americans from Charlie and Canadians by bev, forum owners attacked, leading coders located and prosecuted a'la Dexter and ATR and Umpire.

Now after all the doom and gloom here is the best case scenario.
Nothing will come of the resords seized and they will sit back and be content busting these fellows. They wanted to take out the big players only and scare the rest into giving up and taking off. End users will not be pursued and no further busts will come. The delears busted will be either taken to court or will settle for all they're worth.

Reality probably will be between the two scenarios. Rumors will fly, paranoia will reign, the industry will shit itself for months but then carry on.

[mili]

If there is a sealed warrant in any country for anyone it is not disclosed and you find out the hard way if you go to those countries. There was this Russian who cracked e-book reader and when went to the USA to attend a conference he was held and charged. You use common sense and err on side of caution.

mili

[fubr]

Originally Posted by Badnews Bob

Reality probably will be between the two scenarios. Rumors will fly, paranoia will reign, the industry will shit itself for months but then carry on.

well said

[kimmichael44]

It gets tougher every day for a foreign offender with the amount of linked personal data available to be flagged at the border crossing points.

The Bahamas seems like a great place to hold up.

[fetajr]

so IF I bought a few Atmega128's over the last few years from dishmonkey and they were all COD, would that mean I could be screwed?

Yes you could be screwed alongside with everyone ever buying COD from these dealers. The magic word is CULD BE!!!
There is a good chance that you won't be though. In either case since you can do nothing about it might as well find something else to worry about like bird flu or global warming. Investigavions take about 8 months and if and IF there will be letters coming expect them in a year or so. With the Dave letters some people got them 2 years after they bought parts from busted usa dealers. Maybe moving soon would be a good idea if you are a return customer and bought lotsa shit from these fellas and had them delivered to your address and your name.

[kimmichael44]

In Canada they have been very hesitant to prosecute the individual and have continually gone after the person(s) profitting. It appears that this was a civil action so whoever instigated this action would have ben looking to stop the sale of certain items that they could prove were causing them damages. Legal cases are very expensive for all parties so the gain needs to be large enough to justify the expense. With the political situation in Canada there would be no advantage for the government propose legislation to go after satellite users directly.

This shows that the Echostar based Satellite companies are having trouble combatting this through cheaper and easier ECM methods.

[Baby Jaguar]

fuckem, I bought lots over the years from DM, why worry though. you wont get jail time, only a fine, and you can beat that too. The trick is to always know a bigger fish to fry. That way you'll always have a barganing tool. LMAO!!!!!!

[delavoie]

Originally Posted by fubr

duh! I was speeding the joke along to the next level
get it?
rumor> warrant> jail. ha ha
You think If a warrant was out that the guy would be on the net?
You think anybody with knowledge of a warrant would tell a mod on another site? If they did the mod would be a ratt so whoever posted that where ever is just a attention whore. Now I dont know where or what was said so maybe they put in there post "rumor or I heard" or some such shit.
But damn dude for you to post on here asking that question is silly. If it were true we would not be here. And another thing anybody involved in this would be under some type of gag order so not to here from people involved is a bad sign.

Like milli said.. if you have a warrant you wont know it until you arrive in the country that the warrant was issued in.