[Bandit5906]

C & P from R***e's:

I am going to warn webpage owners, forum posters and end users about the danger that is lurking on the net, I am talking about satellite companies informants who are all over the underground forums, web pages and chat forums, some are very passive and they sit around reading and collecting information, others are very active who post, probe, throw accusations around and ask sensitive question in public forums to gather information.

Informants have their own reasons to do what they do, some are paid to do this work, others sell “valuable” information to satellite security companies here and there to make extra money, some get in to legal problem and they end up signing the deal with satellite companies to cooperate with them for lenient sentence, there are few exceptions who do this deed because they have beef with certain person.

I can guarantee you that every chat forum has few members who are informant for one of the satellite companies, some are well known and others are behind the scene, some even befriend the mods and admins to get the information they need, others could be mods and admins on certain forums without the knowledge of the rest of the mods/admins or the members.

The more aggressive satellite company (DTV) is not hacked at this time so we do not see too many busts, lawsuits or Dear Dave letters at this point but rest assure they have their informants in place to keep an eye on the future hack, possible hackers and the situation of their competition, they have already sued all the capable hackers who have hacked their cards in the past even when their new card is not hacked yet.

The less aggressive company has been aggressive lately, it could be a coincidence that there was huge argument on one of the chat forums among few people, few weeks later one side got visited by authorities, just before that I had to deal with a situation which I can not disclose at this time and few weeks after, 4-5 more sites got served with Anton Pillar order.

Satellite companies have adopted the different tactic for last 4-5 years, they do not charge criminally because in the court the burden of proof is on them and majority of the people got away, now they go after people with civil lawsuit which is hard to deal with, burden of proof is on the accused this way and they also like to drag this on so defendant end up going bank corrupt.

I have spoken to few people who are going through lawsuits and they told me that it was amazing how all the so called evident were gathered from web sites, chat forums, private messages, phone conversations and ip trace based, here is a site you can go to see how you can gather all past information from even the sites which were shut down or abandoned years ago http://www.archive.org/ just go to way back machine and type in any past or present site to see what comes up.

Bottom line is do not post, message or disclose anything that can come back to haunt you, for the webpage owners, be vigilant with people who are probing others for any information that can harm anyone period regardless of your feelings toward that certain member.

[ghost71799]

Hey dude DTV is hacked, I have no problem with you or anyone else who doesn't want to believe in it.

I have saw a working card in a DRD420, the person who did it told me it would be out soon enough.

You are right about DTV wanting to put handcuffs on the party who done the work.

I will not tell who I am talking about either as he does not want to be famous, I have no doubt that everyone knows who he is.

Are you worried about what you post here?

I am not worried about what I post here it is the Bahamas after all; however I will not tell the name of the person involved in the hack.

All I can say is what I saw, as it is I don't care about DTV anymore because I have Dish.

ghost

[Twostep]

Ghost, you're doing the very thing that Bandit just warned about - and if DTV thought for a second that one of your acquaintances in the Bahamas actually had a 420 receiver running wide open with a cracked P4, the resulting invasion would make the US "Shock and Awe" campaign pale in comparison.

Point being, doesn't matter if it's BS or not - it would be wise to STFU about it, unless you want some REAL heat.

[seaboard18]

There is absolutely no protection that can assure anonymous surfing or posting via chat rooms, news groups, irc and including email exchanges. That is the bottom line. Sting operations are carried out on a daily basis by local, state and federal and including international organizations. However, the focus for these operations fall into specific groups, such as child porn and national security operations. Although satellite testing sites and other related sites are a target once the need arises and funding is available..

Sting operations have become a billion dollar business for law enforcement agencies in the past 20 years. An example of this is focused on assets of the site owner and the assets of the buyer of illegal apparatus, in this case, an integrated group of materials or devices used for decryption of satellite signals.

Seizure of assets that will result in a profit for funding other operations is considered before the operation is carried out in most cases, especially large operation such as this that require thousands of hours of man power. The prominent individuals will be busted, a few non-prominent individuals will also be busted, but to a lesser extent. The operation ebbs and the operators of the affected corporation will try to recover some losses in Civil court.

The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right against unreasonable searches and seizures. It requires that a warrant may issue only upon probable cause, and that the warrant particularly describe the persons or things to be seized. Not all seizures, however, require a warrant. A seizure that constitutes an arrest requires probable cause to be reasonable, and a stop usually requires reasonable suspicion of the particular person or persons stopped, although stops like those at drunk driving checkpoints may be justified by a plan that places explicit and neutral limitations on the conduct of police officers with no requirement of individualized suspicion.

[Bandit5906]

Seaboard18;

Maybe you could re-state that for the masses? Especially the final paragraph?

All I was trying to say was "CYA" and don't state that your 301's (with AVR-X) are working perfectly, IMHO!

[Twostep]

Bandit, it means that in the United States a search and seizure, VIA an arrest warrant, must have probable cause in order for it to be legally carried out. For example, if there's probable cause that a meth lab is operating in someone's residence (smell of chemicals) then the cops can kick the front door down, if necessary, barge right in and seize any and all related items - provided the probable cause to do so in the first place has satisfied the judge who will issue the warrant.

There are some seizures that don't require a warrant - for example, if you're stopped by a State Trooper for speeding and he sees drugs, a pistol, etc lying in your floorboard when you get out of the car - no need for him to contact a judge. Bam, items seized and your ass is off to the Graybar Inn.

[fubr]

Awhile back when the great migration from dave to charlie was happening, I was into it big. I had the whole neighborhood and most of the county up on charlie. The tweakers loved to mow my grass or wash my car for a working system that stayed up . One guy was thinking smart. He brought a goat over to the house and told me he figured that he could tie it up in the yard and if I would move the cinder block around every day that would be the same as mowing my yard and at the end of summer we could cook him.......Well Mrs. fubr was not amused. The point of the story is, one day I was not working at the time so I did ALOT of ird's and card and had 7 stacked in the living room and had a desk and pc right there. Programmer, jtag parts card you name it all laying out in plain view. Had a long driveway with me and one other place at the very end a old lady just had moved in, The same guy owned all this land around and it was the only way in.anyway to make a short story long I seen LT. Bubba go down the hill and then Detective Tibbs pulled in my driveway with a unmarked car, Now realize I also had a security cam that a tweaker traded me and saw them coming. So while I sit there soiling my skivvies(shitting in my pants) I told ole lady to hide this shit or keep him busy while I did. She said UH UH UHHH, I said fuck it never-mind she was speechless. I went out the back door and around the front and picked up a rake to act like I was already outside working while she covered the shit up.
Around back I had two dish 500 and 2 dish 300 and a old dave dish still up and in the front I had a direc sat Internet dish. and a web of coaxes running to every shed and building and Ethernet cable stretched to and fro,

He was looking for that lady's son who wrecked his car the night before and left it cause he was geeking out to bad. I told them I have not seen him.
Well HERE comes bubba walking up through the wood in the back yard following a trail that went to the bottom where he parked his car. I guess he thought dude ran up the trail. He walked up to me and DECtive. Tibbs and said he dint see him then looked at me and said Any good movies on this week.

They left. and I got out the wrenches and took down all but the one dish 500 and put all the ird's in a whole different part of the farm. slowly got out of it then and later moved to get ole lady away from all the people while I was not home before she got raped or robbed by those ignorant assholes.
Moral is > is the local cops going to spend that many man hours to prove you watch tv and to catch you at it.

Just glad chief Gillespie was not around

[fubr]

heard it was some kind of LINE oF Site law that if they saw something they did not need a warrent but that they could not come inside unless I said ok or they had a warrent.

[Bandit5906]

Still all of us need to heed the warning, IMHO!

[seaboard18]

Originally Posted by Bandit5906

Still all of us need to heed the warning, IMHO!

Hi Bandit,
Everyone should heed warnings that is discribed in your original post. People who visit these sites do so for information that deals with obtaining a means to unsecure a secure satellite signal so that they can gain access to free tv. If the information is unavalable here, either free or not free, they will go elsewhere to find the information they seek. Its not possible for people to heed these warnings if the forum's are to survive and for people to obtain the information they desire.

[qrubim]

It’s called plain site. If it’s on top of the table or an “OPEN” closet or cabinet they don’t need a warrant. If it’s in your trunk, or “CLOSED” closet/cabinet they can not touch it. but be careful a quick hand can open the door then say it was open…

[Bandit5906]

Folks, all I am trying to do is inform you of the possibilities! These are things I had myself forgotten about and in doing so I have exposed myself to possible problems with the DN internet informants. When you openly admit and expose yourself there can be repercussions. Think about it, IMHO!

Originally Posted by qrubim

It’s called plain site. If it’s on top of the table or an “OPEN” closet or cabinet they don’t need a warrant. If it’s in your trunk, or “CLOSED” closet/cabinet they can not touch it. but be careful a quick hand can open the door then say it was open…

To take this one step further.........if the search warrant is for say a stolen piano, they couldn't legally look in a desk drawer. You wouldn't be able to find a piano in a desk drawer so anything found in that drawer would be what's called, "fruit of the poison tree" and legally inadmissable.

[mili]

Fubr how could you say no to that goat man? I mean if the old lady left you you could have had an extra use for it and still could have eaten it at the end.

mili

[A-Team]

Don't worry he'll be even fater next rotation.

[fubr]

Originally Posted by mili

Fubr how could you say no to that goat man? I mean if the old lady left you you could have had an extra use for it and still could have eaten it at the end.

mili

Thats just plain wrong but maybe a backup plan

This one guy close by had a couple of heads move in on him, his wife left and they took over his house, would not leave. started cooking the shit in his house, would make him leave for awhile.
They started moving in on another guy and he dropped the dime on them and when they busted this first guy and the two unwelcome quest they took all his shit out of his house that had anything to do with drugs.
They left a few cards and ird's this guy was getting ready to bring me. He had one of my loaner ird's there that had a visible lock installed and a permanent jtag connector.
He served three months and when he got out he brought me all my shit. Said they never even asked him about it.

Information is free It is not illegal to read these sites but the info they get can only be used against you under a warrant type deal.
Now what the first post is talking about is people befriending others and getting personal info from them like sending card to be unlocked or ird's to work on cause they cant seem to do it.
It is not illegal to buy or sell ird's that have not been modified or cards for that matter. But it does put a bullseye on you. Really dont know the laws I wished that lawyer guy that used to post was still around.