[mili]

I think Charlie is starting to activate all the new tricks in the new firmwares. Preliminary logs show that they are starting to change the session key more often and not just at boot-up. This has been confirmed for the 2800 receivers. Devices actually calculating the session key will be in some trouble as the algorithms have changed and repeated session keys will be negotiated by the IRD. It looks like D-Day for Dishnetwork has arrived! Expect massive attacks to start on all receivers within 1-2 weeks. The attacks will focus on the 16 byte session key. Users will complain of black screens and search for new keys but in reality, the keys will not be changing.

Other news.

FTA Dealers are being pursued and nasty letters sent to them. They are either closing down shop or will get it in the butt. You can see most have pulled advertisings already on forums as they know advertising legal FTA stuff on pirate forums is what got some FTA dealers into trouble already. Expect the legal action to pick up alongside of ECMs.

Other news.

A lot of prominent members in this hobby have been turned by Charlie. Careful people!!!

mili

[alsouthster]

jesus Mili, how's it going otherwise?

[OverEasy]

"Devices actually calculating the session key will be in some trouble "

Mili which Devices are you talking about IRDs ??

[fubr]

I have the gift of seeing into the past.
I will let you know how it turns out.
I saw black screens, new members panicking cause they got in game so late.
smart people working hard to get us back up and a few people claiming they know stuff but cant talk about it in public.
and of course the best ones remain silent and throw us a bone via a proxy for our testing fix.....
Damn I love this shit

[bisk]

a big Fuck you to Charlie and a Blow me to bev, bring it bitch, there will always be someone smarter and better that will learn how to get around all there new bullshit, i say fuk em all !!!

[fubr]

thanks for the ole heads up Mili
we will see in a few whats up.
Now this guy above me dont like charlie is the impression I get

[alsouthster]

haha Fubr!!
if I was to upload a schematic of my palm could you read it?

[fubr]

Mili dont dig this shit out his ass, he usually is on to something.
better than our guessing and speculation

[alsouthster]

I wasn't being ironic! your post is the one of the best I've ever seen

FUBR PREDICTS!
I have the gift of seeing into the past.
I will let you know how it turns out.
I saw black screens, new members panicking cause they got in game so late.
smart people working hard to get us back up and a few people claiming they know stuff but cant talk about it in public.
and of course the best ones remain silent and throw us a bone via a proxy for our testing fix.....
Damn I love this shit

[studmonkey76]

Mili,
if you have more info on this, can you please post
will it just effect FTA, rom cards or what? thanks

[seaboard18]

Originally Posted by mili

I think Charlie is starting to activate all the new tricks in the new firmwares. Preliminary logs show that they are starting to change the session key more often and not just at boot-up. This has been confirmed for the 2800 receivers. Devices actually calculating the session key will be in some trouble as the algorithms have changed and repeated session keys will be negotiated by the IRD. It looks like D-Day for Dishnetwork has arrived! Expect massive attacks to start on all receivers within 1-2 weeks. The attacks will focus on the 16 byte session key. Users will complain of black screens and search for new keys but in reality, the keys will not be changing.
.mili

Hi Mili,
In my opinion I think your statement is credible because you linked it with firmware updates and stream log connections including the 16 byte session key. I am disappointed that all your testing seems to be limited to the 2800 series IRD. If this is your work could you include the stream log(s) for at least 5 sessions so that they can be evaluated independently by others to confirm your findings. It would be nice to find these relationships in the logs of other IRD's so that this threat of ECM could be confirmed as a high probability. I can't see how you could predict a 1-2 week time frame from the logs. If this is not your work, please tell us how you came by this information.

Thanks,
Seaboard

[burnt_servo]

actually i think i may have already seen this on one station , about 3 or 4 channels up from the scifi channel ( i think it was one of the histroy channels ) around noon last friday .

the channel was totaly black , like a key change , but i had current keys , and it only affected that channel .

i just passed it off as an anomoly , but after reading this thread ..........

btw i'm running a 301.010 ( on 119 and 110 ), atemga and savtia's lastest hack .

if i see it again i'll start a thread in another section , if some one doesn't beat me too it .

[burnt_servo]

Originally Posted by mili

. The attacks will focus on the 16 byte session key. Users will complain of black screens and search for new keys but in reality, the keys will not be changing.

mili

just reread this , the 16 byte session key , is it stored in the eeprom ?

if so , i wonder if a eeprom lock of sorts might help ?

just kind of thinking out loud .

[fubr]

sure. locks are never a bad ideal.
Thing is it is going to be a headache for us.
Ird'd that can be jtaged can be fixed.cards that get looped can't.
tier updates and moving info around can be fixed IF we know where the info went and what it was.
Basically we need to see what happens before the guys can fix it.
When I said I can see in the past could also be said this way.
history shows
prediction
panic
ecm
location 000001 ird's
looped card and streamlocked cards
a ird fix
a unlocker for locked cards via a program from a smart person who loves testing
software updates for devices,
new blockers
a quick key change right out of the box
peace in the valley


60 % chance it will be on a Wednesday or Saturday if no major events are on ppv
there is also a 50/50 chance of rain each day, either it will or it wont

[studmonkey76]

i wish someone would post a stream log here to prove this is happening on a 2800....havent seen anything myself

[JT]

It's going to happen sooner or later studmonkey. Hopefully the fall out won't be that bad. What will posting a stream log do for you? Do you have the ability to decode that info?

[studmonkey76]

no. just wanted some proof that this is actually happening with a 2800 reciever like its being stated...thought maybe i can compare...i am running a 301.013 without any problems what so ever, but its an ex sub with married ex sub card. its been asked here where the 16th byte is at is it in the eeprom? is this gonna effect just avx, fta, syndrome cards or is it gonna effect rom cards and cardless recievers? no one seems to be answering many questions. if mili knows whats going on, i wish he would post more info as in whats happening with the 2800.

[mili]

I am merely parroting these things, I got a few people who have proven themselves in the past and are highly technical and do not wish to be visible. I asked for confirmation and when I get it I will post it.

mili

[Crazy1_79]

Anyone can give a educated guess and Mili may very well be right if he has confirmation from his sources, but until the ECM or packet decryption aglorithim changes, no one can be 100 percent positive.

[studmonkey76]

thanks mili thats what i wanted to hear...i am not doubting you or anyone else, just was wondering in more detail what might be effected.

[Ohms]

Thanks Mili. It's really great to get these types of updates, even if there is partial speculation included. It gives us all something to look for so when the SHTF we will not be wondering WTF.

[arms]

Will this be for both avr-x and plastic? I have not done any plastic since Dave and that was a year ago. ARMS

[mili]

This is a news not a sales recommendation for those who just LOVE to spread shit every time I post something. There is nothing to do at this point, nothing to buy nothing to prevent, nothing to prepare for. This was only a heads up as to what all these firmware updates are for. I asked the guys who provide me with tech news from time to time to elaborate.

mili

my 2800 does act up once in a while.. current firmware etc... I found if I just leave it on there are no problems!

OTHERWISE the problems I encountered was black screen.. the keys were correct firmware was correct.. the only way to fix it was to pull card and insert.. a few other minor problems otherwise I just leave it on!

PS: im running 3 receivers.. 2800, 3100 and 501 PVR

other 2 are fine!!!!!!

[JT]

Let's face it. It's not much of a game right now. (this is my prefrence, but it's unrealistic to expect it to last forever) Everything works right now. At some point, you got to know the service providers are gonna try something to scale back our options. Here pretty quick we're gonna see what they can do, and hopefully, probably, we'll come up with a way to keep things going. Who knows, the AVR-X could even turn out to be one of the best ways to test if the other team decides to show up for the game. At some point though, the opposing team has got to try something. This free for all that's going on now isn't going to last forever even as much as we would all like it to.

[fubr]

Whats that fuckers name, sun tsu?
he said when trying to stop signal decrypttion, you go for the big targets first, then the easy quickly defeated targets. Then the rest if they present a threat.
point being maybe the ribbon cable will save our ass when they do something in the firmware.
other ways will require a jtag and a tsop mod. all we will need is a updated avr-x software app.

[Bandit5906]

Originally Posted by fubr

sure. locks are never a bad ideal.
Thing is it is going to be a headache for us.
Ird'd that can be jtaged can be fixed.cards that get looped can't.
tier updates and moving info around can be fixed IF we know where the info went and what it was.
Basically we need to see what happens before the guys can fix it.
When I said I can see in the past could also be said this way.
history shows
prediction
panic
ecm
location 000001 ird's
looped card and streamlocked cards
a ird fix
a unlocker for locked cards via a program from a smart person who loves testing
software updates for devices,
new blockers
a quick key change right out of the box
peace in the valley
60 % chance it will be on a Wednesday or Saturday if no major events are on ppv
there is also a 50/50 chance of rain each day, either it will or it wont

Your sense of humor, complete with sarcasim is better than SNL or Comedy Central and I never watch them either.

The fall-out will be interesting to be sure.

[Ohms]

I can't believe they have been so inactive all this time. There are lots of things that could have been done very easily that would have made many "fixes" go down. Hell, when thousands of people are using the same IRD#, you would think they wouldn't have to look to far. I just hope they aren't saving up for something really mean. I have a feeling..... a bad feeling......

Just because I'm paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get me.

[tinhorse7911]

I have a good feeling your bad feeling is right!!

[seaboard18]

Originally Posted by mili

This is a news not a sales recommendation for those who just LOVE to spread shit every time I post something. There is nothing to do at this point, nothing to buy nothing to prevent, nothing to prepare for. This was only a heads up as to what all these firmware updates are for. I asked the guys who provide me with tech news from time to time to elaborate.
mili

Its obvious that the so called Advanced Coders at Rom10x understands this threat. No comments means denial. There is enough information in your original post that would get their attention quickly. The thread was doomed from the start and some of there members tried to take advantage of you quickly. This is the kind of news that hurt sales and unlike this forum, regardless of sales, you tell the truth to your members.

The main key delivery sites have had problems updating the keys for the last two key changes. I am sure you are aware of this information. I knew that a problem was brewing about a week ago. However, I did not think it was quite this involved until last night. If you get any new information, please share it, it would be appreciated.