[Ohms]

During a routine syslog exam today, I noticed DoD was hitting my firewall again. Jeeze
I got curious and did some googling.

Check these out.... nothing new here.. but interesting and maybe shocking to those that are unaware.

hxxp//www.securityfocus.com/brief/121
hxxp//www.csmonitor.com/2006/0209/p01s02-uspo.html
hxxp//epic.org/privacy/choicepoint/acxiominternet.pdf
hxxp//www.eff.org/news/archives/2006_10.php#004935
hxxp//www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/09/intel.briefings/index.html

I could go on, I think you get the picture - all these toys to play with and we - the legitimate, innocent (well) public - are the lab rats for these (and other) programs.

What ya wanna do?
Wanna be hackers? Code crackers? Slackers
Wastin' time with all the chatroom yakkers?
9 to 5, chillin' at Hewlett Packard?
Workin' at a desk with a dumb little placard?

Big Brother is watching and he likes what he sees
A world for the taking, when he's ready to squeeze
The King and the Queen are gone, each piece is the same
The difference between us is a part of the game

Soothsayer saying now tell me no lies
What is this madness that is filling the skies
Spreading like wildfire, fallin' like rain
Though they may promise, they only bring pain

[Ohms]

JT, I am surprised you have not commented on this one.

[JT]

I havn't checked out the links yet.

It's safe to assume if the feds want to monitor your web clicks, they will. Basically there is no such thing as privacy on the internet. I'll take a look now Ohms.

[fubr]

It wont let me click!! the links.



Ohms, Fish and spend time with the wife if you have one, no workie workie on Sunday's

[JT]

Are you guys familiar with the Stazi? They were basically a hard core version of the Nazi's. It's estimated that at their peak, over 1/3rd of all East Germans were working for the Stazi in one way or another. They developed the Minox camera that you see in all the spy movies and a shitload of other surveilence equipment that was decades ahead of it's time. They collected so much information on so many people it ended up being their demise. They couldn't keep track of it all. That's easier now days, but I could see where this data mining project could backfire big time. At the very least it's going to be an inefficient means of busting anyone. Now picture this scenario. What if sat hacking is defined as a terrorist activity at some point? We all know the government doesn't misuse it's powers.

[Ohms]

I had never heard of the Stazi myself.

Now on the last question.... who is to say the bastards don't track our activities around here. Anything to do with defeating encryption is a no no as far as the Gub Mit is concerned.

[JT]

Originally Posted by Ohms

I had never heard of the Stazi myself.

Now on the last question.... who is to say the bastards don't track our activities around here. Anything to do with defeating encryption is a no no as far as the Gub Mit is concerned.

That was my point. What if sat hacking is a lot like hacking some communication system the military uses or something like that? We are definately skirting the edge of something that could be, if lobbied correctly and heavy enough, deemed a security risk to our country. We should all be concerned about this.

[fubr]

Only thing that saves most of us is they are busy?

make it profitable to bust us and our ass is grass.
Not many people I know are completely hidden doing this.
only people like mili, ohms, jt and mr leaker lol
I dont trust internet or shit, I have a link to click to check my account at the bank, I use paypal very little and it only has a little bit o $$$ in it.
every so often I will report my debit card lost or stolen to get a new one and I never use it online.

try not to do nay legit business online and If I do I use proxy and file scrubber ect.... damn I am turning into JT

[JT]

The Stazi (I might not be spelling Stazi correctly) were kind of like the Nazi secret police. (kind of like the NSA ) They even would break into someones house, put a special cloth in their pillow, then go retrieve the cloth and put it in a sealed jar. That way they'd have the persons scent in case they needed to track them with dogs. They literally had warehouses with tens of thousands of jars with rags in them. These guys were totally off the charts control freaks. They kept everyone in suspicion of everyone else. There are some scary similarities between the Stazi and America since the Patriot Act. Once the people start seeing how invasive their government can be there are always problems. Governments never contain their snooping to honerable causes. As soon as someone critisizes them they use their powers to go after people like Martin Luther King jr., Abby Hoffman and other great men. This snooping effort is nothing new. The fact that newer technology makes it so much easier is pretty scary though.

[cojones]

If they want you bad enough they just come and get you. Then fill in the blanks later. Guilty until proven innocent.

[Twostep]

It's all a matter of priorities. Our government doesn't mind spending 5 years and 100 million dollars finding out who told who Valerie Plame worked for the CIA....as if anybody gives a fuck....yet doesn't spend five minutes worrying about minor stuff such as who's minding the 3000 or so multi-megaton nukes laying around the old Soviet Union, you know, insignificant shit like that.

Reminds me of our local police department, who'd much rather hide motorcycle radar units behind trees and slam people for speeding on a 6-lane freeway with a fund-raising 40mph limit, instead of busting the $500,000 methamphetamine deal or gang-related driveby shooting going on 3 blocks away.

[fubr]

you hit that nail on the head.

should be a law that if nobody gives a fuck you cant spend tax dollars on it.

[alsouthster]

The reason they first investigated it is because revealing the identity of a CIA agent is a crime. People also wanted to see if she was outed as punishment for her husband calling bullshit on the (bullshit) Iraq-Niger-uranium connection.

As it turns out, it is unclear who outed her... but what is clear is that rather than help the investigation, the Bush administration did what it does best — lie like a rug. So poor ol fallguy Scooter was nailed with 5 counts of perjury.

So the reason someone like me gives a fuck is cuz the whole thing is tied in with the administration's (bullshit) reasons for starting the war on Iraq.
The cost of which is approaching $500 BILLION.

According to a recent study that I half-read on an unreliable left-wing blog lol, that's enough to buy every person on earth 578 cans of Chinese Mekong River Beer.

[Twostep]

Originally Posted by alsouthster

According to a recent study that I half-read on an unreliable left-wing blog lol, that's enough to buy every person on earth 578 cans of Chinese Mekong River Beer.

Damn...that's lots of beer. Maybe we should have stayed home

Yep, outing a CIA agent is a crime. The exact details of Plame's deal will never be known, and no, I don't care - and no one prosecuting the outing cares either. Why? Because it's a total political deal, designed specifically to crush Dick Cheney with the ultimate goal of further damaging George Bush's credibility. Net result = better shot at winning the White House in 2008, the ONLY reason these endless investigations keep happening. Do you REALLY think Fitzgerald and his pals care about justification for the Iraq war and stories of yellowcake uranium? Hah...

If this had happened during the Clinton years, I have no doubt the Republicans would be doing the same thing, so this is a bipartisan fucking. It's no wonder the US is in such a mess. There's no one on Capital Hill who gives even the tiniest shit about those who elected them to begin with.

[litedir4650]

Considering how safe Windows OS is were all subject!! Thanks Bill

[Ohms]

Hey CoJones
Is that Frank Zappa in your avatar?
what a crack up

[JT]

Looks like Zappa to me.

[mikepr]

then when another 911 happens in the U.S who will be the first ones to bitch and complaing that the U.S didnt utilize all there technological disposals that they had to stop the bastards.Call it what you want..big brother.whatever....but you have nothing to fear really if your not doing anything dishonest (or gretly dishonest)
Lets be real....If the FBI .CIA or higher up in the bush government had an interest in 'cracking ' dickie..it would have been done by now.....WHen they have better things to worry about (eg after the iraq war/government leaks..etc etc) they might come looking....If you guys were doing real hacking ala NASA of things of national security yeah your ass would be grass
Stop worrying and enjoy your free tv

[empulse]

NSA is analyzing 3 terabytes of data every couple of hours, with the help of ALL of the Telcos and ISPs. The fact that they are using terrorism to scare people into looking the other way is hilarious. I took forensics and criminal justice for a time, and there is one constant, "The perfect crime". One man, one mission, and no one else involved. He can't be stopped. Terrorism is an idea, a philosophy. It can't be beaten by satellites, wire taps, data mining. Thats just the excuse for them doing it.

I say fuck em. and defer to The Clash-

"When they kick in your front door, how you gonna go? Guns blazin? or lying on the floor?"